Faith Freedom International

[Scandinavian infidel]

What impact will the internet have on Islam? I see Ali Sina thinks that it can no longer hide from the truth. I partly agree with him. Places like this site are totally different from anything that religion has experienced before, and could change things forever. The internet is spearheading a movement of ex-muslims across the world. The fame of Ibn Warraq and his books is also largely due to the internet.

Does anybody know about any good books relevant to this topic? I would be happy for any links.
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[Patrick]

Internet is important, but it has it's limits. In many Islamic country's there is sensorship (filtered internet). If you live in a rural environment, you might not have the facilities to connect to the internet. Not everyone can afford such connection, though internetcafé's might offer a solution here. So in fact ffi is only reaching a certain "upper class".
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[bread]

The Internet will slay Islam once and for all. This is a fact, you cannot deny it! 700 million Internet usera, of which some 50 million are Muslim represent a force too strong to contain. Islamic net surfers are the richer and more educated and travelled ones, but they are the ones with the clouth and the brains to reform and de-fang Islam.

moreover, with PC`s and Net access getting cheaper every year, the Muslims masses are just getting online. Soon there will be 500 million+ Muslims online and the Islamic Mullahs, Sheicks and Maulanas with their lies and repression and censorship won`t be able to stop the flow of information.

The myth of Quranic inerrancy is smashed, and the Islmaists cannot censor the internet. Tell everyone ch 18:29 says water in hell is as hot as molten brass. IT`S A LIE.

brass melts at a range of 900-1200 degrees (depending of the % of each component metal used), while water (and the Quran claims its liquid too ) cannot exist at those temperatures. In fact at 374 degrees Celsius oxygen hydrogen bond breaks and you don`t even have water anymore. It can never reach temperatures as hot as molten brass.

Tell that to every Muslim you know.

Islam is going down, and all the liars and dictators proping it up will lose power. The Muslims will flee Islam by the hundreds of millions in a few years time. And the Internet will facilitate that. All that remains to keep Muslims inside the chains and mental prison of Islam remains brute force like In Iran and PAkistan and terrorism like in other Muslims countries where dissidents and apostates are assasinated by Islmamists fanatics.
And these tactics cannot keep the 1.5 billion Muslims down forever, now that the Quran has been proven to contain errors.

One day former Muslims will be able to preach love and brotherhood and the supremacy of science and cooperation with the rest of the world from the roof tops of Mecca, a good thing to hear instead of todays Islamists calls for death and destruction and terrorism against the rest of humanity.

Yes, all these will happen, and the Internet will speed it up. Maximum 20 years.

[agentazure]

Here's an article regarding internet access in post-war Iraq. Dated July 25, 2003.

http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/features/html/iraq-internet020725.html

[bread]

Great post Azure!

Do you (or anyone else for that matter) know the websites addresses sset up now in Iraq? We should drop them a line inviting them here. It will be a great first step.

[agentazure]

I'm searching for some active Iraqi weblogs right now but I have quite a handicap since I don't know arabic and don't know much about the internet cafe world in iraq to know where the popular sites are.
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[bread]

Weblogs and netcafes are ok. But really any major web site in Iraq would do. These larger site have guest books and you can give there this sites webaddress.

Then they will come here to check it out. And from there it snowballs.

[stopnot]

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[bread]

[syamal]

[bread]

Yeah, but information traveled slowly then. There was no internet with its explosive growth and educative/informational potential. Can a society like Saudi Arabia or Iran remain Islamic (they ban music in public, flying kites, singing, humming, dating without a male supervisor for marriage purposes, women cant work in most professions, or drive their own cars, religios police (the Mutawaa) goes in shops to drag people out to the Mosques at prayer time, kill people who posses alcohol. Stone to death people who have sex outside marigea (including single mothers) and where the top cleric in the country in 1993 pronounced the Earth FLAT!! and everyone who holds such views publicly to be flogged. Same for atheism and apostasy-death. Same for Darwinists. Saudi Arabia still has slaves (1/2 million blacks) although officially in 1961!! slavery was banned.

Can such a country meet modernity and not have its ideology which commands all these insanities and absurdities, not break apart?

It would be like the Internt coming to Europe in Galileo`s time.

Also, Islam is not just religion, but a political system too. So the aspects which lead to unchanging political systems to collapse in times of revolutionary technological change would apply here too.

[Spinoza]

The Internet WILL chop of some of the heads of Islam but not all. It will also help spawn a few new ones (of the Menj variety). But yes, freedom of information will help open up these countries, in some places this will revolutionise developments (I don't think I Iraq, I was thinking more of Iran in this case, since those people actually HAVE an Islamic regime to fight) and help the Islamic world evolve. Islam will never die completely, neither will orthodox christianity or judaism, but the masses of peoples in the Islamic world will be changed.

Some will convert to other religions (Chrisitianity would be a good candidate), some will convert to atheism or agnosticism, some will become watered down muslims (or reformed ones) like Esimsek and other Muslims on this board, some will stay muslims and might even become more radical and increasingly ludite.

There's a reason why there's still no internet in N-Korea and Cuba...there's a reason why KSA is monitoring (or trying to monitor) all internet traffic....

Because Internet WILL take the monoply of information away from the mullahs and thus it will take away their absolute control of the minds of these people, and that's the big plus.

[stopnot]

Assalamu Alaikum bread,

I am not an Islamic Scholar, yet, but do have Masters Degree. I am not easily challenged to prove anything nowadays.

Anyway, the points I made are self-proving – NOT many Muslims are coming to FFI and the effect form such visits, if any, is NOT snowballing. You can verify my observation independently yourself by researching the “Islamic” content during any such interactions right here on FFI.

Further, from reading your posts I have the gut feeling that you cannot sustain academic rigor and fair play needed for such interactions. It is obvious to me that you feel very much at home with just shouting pre-fabricated slogans across our common cultural borders. I am sure it entertains you a lot. Let me assure you that it also bores your Muslim readers a lot.

Wassalam

[Piggy]

[Spinoza]

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[bread]

[stopnot]

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[stopnot]

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[bread]

Sallam al-Aleikom stopnot,

I am sorry to hear the curriculum was squeewed t opolitical goals.

It defeats the purpose.

[Spinoza]

[stopnot]

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