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everybee
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It took six days between the time the earth was created until Adam was created according to the Bible. None of you fundamentalists can get away with this one. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all wrong on the creation of the earth and the human race.
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Genesis Chapter 1
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1 In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth,
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2 the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters.
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Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
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God saw how good the light was. God then separated the light from the darkness.
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3 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." Thus evening came, and morning followed--the first day.
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Then God said, "Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other." And so it happened:
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God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
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God called the dome "the sky." Evening came, and morning followed--the second day.
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Then God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered into a single basin, so that the dry land may appear." And so it happened: the water under the sky was gathered into its basin, and the dry land appeared.
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God called the dry land "the earth," and the basin of the water he called "the sea." God saw how good it was.
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Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth vegetation: every kind of plant that bears seed and every kind of fruit tree on earth that bears fruit with its seed in it." And so it happened:
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the earth brought forth every kind of plant that bears seed and every kind of fruit tree on earth that bears fruit with its seed in it. God saw how good it was.
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Evening came, and morning followed--the third day.
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Then God said: "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky, to separate day from night. Let them mark the fixed times, the days and the years,
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and serve as luminaries in the dome of the sky, to shed light upon the earth." And so it happened:
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God made the two great lights, the greater one to govern the day, and the lesser one to govern the night; and he made the stars.
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God set them in the dome of the sky, to shed light upon the earth,
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to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. God saw how good it was.
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Evening came, and morning followed--the fourth day.
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Then God said, "Let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures, and on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky." And so it happened:
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God created the great sea monsters and all kinds of swimming creatures with which the water teems, and all kinds of winged birds. God saw how good it was,
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and God blessed them, saying, "Be fertile, multiply, and fill the water of the seas; and let the birds multiply on the earth."
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Evening came, and morning followed--the fifth day.
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Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth all kinds of living creatures: cattle, creeping things, and wild animals of all kinds." And so it happened:
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God made all kinds of wild animals, all kinds of cattle, and all kinds of creeping things of the earth. God saw how good it was.
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4 Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground."
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God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
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God blessed them, saying: "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth."
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God also said: "See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food;
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and to all the animals of the land, all the birds of the air, and all the living creatures that crawl on the ground, I give all the green plants for food." And so it happened.
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God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good. Evening came, and morning followed--the sixth day.
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Debmey
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Are we getting away with anything?
So how long do you think the creation process took? |
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eruss
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:02 am Post subject: |
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You mean the earth was already many years old even before God created it? Please explain. |
No. I am suggesting he created a billion year old earth.
How old was Adam on his first day? Of course he was one day old in existence but a full grown man at the same time right? Same with the earth. Why couldn’t God have created a billion year old earth that was brand new? The Bible simply does not say.
You can’t go around saying the earth is 6000 years old when there is sufficient evidence to suggest it is not. The fact is that there is evidence to support two sides. One; The earth is billions of years old in it’s age and two, there is only enough erosion and other evidences to suggest that this billion year old earth has only been around for about 6000 years. |
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eruss
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | None of you fundamentalists can get away with this one. |
Get away with what? |
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bread
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Debmey wrote: | | Quote: | | You mean 6000 years from creation, not 6000 years old. |
The earth is about 6000 years old.
| Quote: | | You, nor anyone, knows how old the earth was when God created it. |
You mean the earth was already many years old even before God created it? Please explain. |
Can you show me the calculations for this? They have to add up to 6000, so lets see it. |
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everybee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It says in the book of Genesis that Adam was created six days after the creation of the heavens and the earth. |
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Debmey
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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The calculations to 6000 years is complex and involves reference to many verses in the Bible as it tots up the birth & age of the various Biblical persons.
Go to www.creationscience.com click on'frequently asked questions' followed by 'According to the Bible, When Was Adam Created?' |
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bread
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Debmey wrote: | The calculations to 6000 years is complex and involves reference to many verses in the Bible as it tots up the birth & age of the various Biblical persons.
Go to www.creationscience.com click on'frequently asked questions' followed by 'According to the Bible, When Was Adam Created?' |
Well, they say betwen 6200 and 7100. That is pretty big margin of error. And why the contradiction in numbers. I thought those numbers have to be precise.
Show me thusly: x+y+z+...+nth= 6000 years. So far nobody could do that. Can you?
If yes, show the numbers and assumptions behind them.
If not, why do you put so much credit on this 6000 year number?
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Debmey
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:20 am Post subject: |
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There was never any contradiction. 6,000 years is always an estimate based on the records in the Bible.
If you want detailed calculation, just refer to the fugure show in the link. |
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eruss
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I thought those numbers have to be precise. |
Why did you think that? |
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Debmey
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| eruss wrote: | | Quote: | | I thought those numbers have to be precise. |
Why did you think that? |
because he is ignorant. Nobiody has ever said it has to be a precise number, neither do atheist have precise numbers. |
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eruss
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Debmey wrote: | | eruss wrote: | | Quote: | | I thought those numbers have to be precise. |
Why did you think that? |
because he is ignorant. Nobiody has ever said it has to be a precise number, neither do atheist have precise numbers. |
That's right. |
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bread
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Suuree, Debmey, I AM an ignorant because YOU do not have the numbers matching. And also because YOU never made that calculation for yourself. And because YOU quote the 6000 year number on which you base all your theories and assumptions although the site you posted here gives completely DIFFEEENT numbers.
That is wha I AM an ignorant. 
Thank you for enlighttening me. Now I an see where you are coming from much clearer. |
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eruss
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| bread wrote: | Suuree, Debmey, I AM an ignorant because YOU do not have the numbers matching. And also because YOU never made that calculation for yourself. And because YOU quote the 6000 year number on which you base all your theories and assumptions although the site you posted here gives completely DIFFEEENT numbers.
That is wha I AM an ignorant.
Thank you for enlighttening me. Now I an see where you are coming from much clearer. |
You don't seem to understand what has been said to you. When the 6000 year figure is used, it is merely a generalization. You took it as a specific when it was not meant that way. Do you know what a generalization is? |
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bread
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:37 am Post subject: |
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No Eruss, I am too stupid to know what a generalisation is. Care to educate me a little about it? 
Debmey said the earth/universe is 6000 years old. I asked him how he got that number. (i was sincerely and honestly intersted in it.) He gave me a site and when I went there they have all sorts of confusion and say it ``could be`` 6200-7100 years old.
Then I come back here and pointed this out to Debmey and he calls me an ignorant.
I thank him for it, and then you chip in and call me stupid (indirectly).
Well, now after being ``educated`` by you two, I will leave this thread, becasue it is obvious it is getting into a personal issue. I dont need that. Good luck with your debates later.
A little thing for you Debmey: http://www.nobeliefs.com/light.htm A biit long, but it should help you glimpse about what I told you on nature of light, (or pulsating light among other things i waste my ignorant time in )
Now we will meet on other boards. Peace,
and dont keep grudges.
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Debmey
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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6000 years old earth is an estimation based on Biblical accounts, don't tell me there is a contradiction when there are none in the first place.
Anyway, now that you do know. So what? What has changed on your end? Thats what I want to know. |
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