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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:39 am    Post subject: For Menj *** Buddhism versus Islam *** Reply with quote

In the world we have about 1.1 to 1.2 billion people living in 'Muslim' countries (and that includes countries like Lebanon and Malaysia with a significant non-Muslim population) in some other nations we have the idol worshippers that call themselves ‘Buddhists’…let’s take a look why Muslims are better people than those ignorant Buddhusts. Let’s see who’s best!

To properly compare the great faith of Islam with the filth of Buddhism I’ve made a comparison of their respective prosperity, their health and their intellectual prowess. Let’s not keep you, dear reader, waiting anymore and go STRAIGHT to the results.

The people from the Buddhist countries make almost 7 times more good old American Dollars per capita than the people living in Islamic countries. Yes that’s right: the average Buddhist is way more productive than the average Joe six-pack from Pakistan, Algeria or Kuwait. And this is not all whilst Buddhists do make a cool 20.600$ a year and their Mohammedans cousins living on the other side of the border is scraping by at 3150$ annually, the Buddhist also have 50% more chance of owning a car to drive around the hood. When it comes to hard cash, productivity, prosperity: the Muslims are no match. I’m sure Allah promised the Muslims great wealth and lots of booty, but nothing still beat good old fashioned labour when it comes to making a decent living.

I hear you say, money isn’t all that (I say “Pecinia non Olet!”) Well you’re right. Health is also a very, very important issue I wish to discuss. The Buddhist have a life expectancy of almost 72 years whilst Muslims barely make it past 63. That’s right; that filthy idol worshipping Buddhists will live 8 years longer than those who have Mahomet’s excellent guide for living a healthy life to live by. I guess gulping down camel Urine isn’t such a clever idea after all.

So the score is 2 to nothing. The Buddhists are healthier and wealthier. Maybe the spiritual richness of Islam has opened up the gates of knowledge for pious Muslims? For sure if they study the Quran hard enough they are bound the find thousands of pearl of eternal wisdom therein. The Quran contains ALL science, ALL knowledge that humankind is capable of gathering. So the Muslims should have the advantage with this one.

If we look at female literacy (15+) on the average only half (50%) of the Muslim women know how to read….their male counter parts have a literacy rate of about 70%. That’s right vast parts of the Muslim have no clue whatsoever what’s written in the Quran. I guess Madrassa education is really doing the Muslims a favour isn’t it? That’s true: because most Muslims don’t send their children to school, only a measly 38% of ALL Muslim women will ever attend secondary school and whilst not even half of their brothers (48%) will attain this level of education.

How are those idol worshipping Buddhists doing? Well, those pesky idol worshippers with no faith in Allah all mighty seem to value the gift of being able to read and write a lot more: 66% of all women and 72% of all men will enrol secondary school! Of course their being able to read is a big factor in this: 71% of all women in Buddhist countries and 84% of all men in these countries (above 15) knows how to read.

Most secondary school, let alone universities would even DREAM of allowing an idiot that only knows the Quran by heart to school. And if they do: well, we get ‘scientists’ claiming that energy can be tapped from Jinns and other ‘scientists’ that claim sperm is produced between the ribs and the moon is higher than the stars. Yes me dear reader, those are the proud developments of the Ummah, whilst those idol worshipping Chinese, Indians, Japanese are sending rockets to space, launching satellites, building computers, cars and airplanes Muslim scholars are still debating matters like whether a man will have an eternal election in paradise or not.

We have a score of 3 to 0 for the Buddhists. I say 3 strikes, you’re out.










Most of the data I used can be found at
http://www.worldpop.org

I would like to thank the following great nations of Islam where only the intelligent, prosperous and might Ummah resides, for their cooperation in this research: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Chad, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Gambia, Guinea Bissau, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Oman, Pakistan, Palestinian Territory, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Western, Sahara, Yemen. May Allah continue to keep them on the straight path.

May Allah the mighty moon god rain down terror and disease upon these Kafir lands full of polytheists, atheists, pigs and monkey: Bhutan, Cambodia, China, China-Hongkong, China Macao, Japan, South Korea, Laos, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Taiwan and Vietnam
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The common reply of muslims to this would be something like this is just "materialism" or "its all trivial since the second life is all that matters" or back to the "ol' colonialism" argument, conveniently forgetting the fact that many buddhist countries were also colonized.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Silence is deafening...not even a whisper from those Buddhist bashers... Come on Menj, you've been rather quiet lately! Have you given up altogether?

Weak.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Silence is deafening...not even a whisper from those Buddhist bashers... Come on Menj, you've been rather quiet lately! Have you given up altogether?

Weak.


Had you bothered to make the effort to PM me (if you think that such an ill-prepared thread deserves THAT much of attention), I would have probably replied sooner. Nonetheless, your statistics mean nothing to me. It does not reflect any sort of objective criteria as to what religion is more advanced than the other. As the following link would demonstrate:

http://www.menj.net/pejuang/archives/000013.htm

no country is "better than", or "worst off", than the other.

Have a nice day.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: For Menj *** Buddhism versus Islam *** Reply with quote

Spinoza wrote:

May Allah the mighty moon god rain down terror and disease upon these Kafir lands


As it turns out, "Allah" is not the name of the moon god after all:

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Polemics/moongod.htm

May the shitty Nepalan gawd-Prince, "A Go, Go" Bud-boy, King of da' Evil Nutty Pagans rain down his wrath upon Muslims who dare mock his non-existence and un-powerfulness! Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no country is "better than", or "worst off", than the other.



Look, instead of hand picking a few countries I took em ALL in, not just a few poor christian countries vs a bunch muslims countries. I took in ALL the muslim countries and calculated my number based on that.

You may also notice the larger discrepency between women and men that muslim countries show.

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Nonetheless, your statistics mean nothing to me.


Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

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It does not reflect any sort of objective criteria as to what religion is more advanced than the other. As the following link would demonstrate:


Look: Buddhists are FAR healthier, FAR more productive and FAR more learned than muslims. I've used hand picked onjective criteria on the effect a religion has on a culture and it's success. But you know what: I'll take a look at the statistics you yourself proclaim are 'objective' and see what they yield...oops, there's practically no Buddhist countries in your list...

What the hell is article comparing? A bunch of hand picked countries to a bunch or other hand picked countries? Is that an objective way to compare buddhist nations to muslim nations? No it isn't!

Deal with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Look: Buddhists are FAR healthier, FAR more productive and FAR more learned than muslims.


And we have only your assertions and NOTHING MORE.

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But you know what: I'll take a look at the statistics you yourself proclaim are 'objective' and see what they yield...oops, there's practically no Buddhist countries in your list...


I claimed no such thing, and neither the author of that article claims such a thing. I suggest you read the article I provided properly before you shoot your gun before loading it.

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Deal with it.


I'm still waiting for your reply to my "gift" to you:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6710&highlight=

Deal with it.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And we have only your assertions and NOTHING MORE.


Assertions? What the h? You can't argue with facts Menj.

Buddhist do a far better job at educating themselves, staying healthy, happy and being far more productive than muslims, probably even better than a lot of christian countries.

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I claimed no such thing, and neither the author of that article claims such a thing. I suggest you read the article I provided properly before you shoot your gun before loading it.


Well I did, the article uses faulty statistics (anyone can see that, since the top 10 or even the top 20 of countries in these same statistics will also yield virtually no muslim countries, there are far more non-muslim countries than muslim countries) and does not address buddhism at all. Also since a lot of countries do not HAVE statisctics available (especially a lot of poor islamic ones, they will never show up in a top 10 list)

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I'm still waiting for your reply to my "gift" to you:


What do you want me to say? You make no point at all in that 'article'...apart from an appearent lack of understanding of the Buddhist philosophy.

Let's concentrate on the basic facts, the results of centruries of Islam and the results of centuries of Buddhism on a country.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spinoza wrote:

Assertions? What the h?


Were you trying to say "f**k" and replaced it with a "h" instead? Careful, lest your demi-gawd "a go, go" prince decides to cut your tongue off for such a distressing word!

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You can't argue with facts Menj.


Right. And we have shown that you base yourself on an utterly subjective criterion.

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Buddhist do a far better job at educating themselves, staying healthy, happy and being far more productive than muslims, probably even better than a lot of christian countries.


And you repeat your myth again for the upteenth time today. Ad nauseam does no credibility to your arguments.

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Well I did, the article uses faulty statistics (anyone can see that, since the top 10 or even the top 20 of countries in these same statistics will also yield virtually no muslim countries, there are far more non-muslim countries than muslim countries) and does not address buddhism at all.


The statistics provided were from the UNDP and there was at least one Buddhist nation listed (Cambodia, I believe). Yet it was not the objective of the author to say that since Buddhist nations or Christian nations or (.....) nations were listed in the "hall of shame", it follows that a particular religion is at fault. Again, read the link carefully.

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I'm still waiting for your reply to my "gift" to you:


What do you want me to say?


The same thing you expected of me when you declared your "victory" in my absence.

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You make no point at all in that 'article'...apart from an appearent lack of understanding of the Buddhist philosophy.


Talk is cheap, ain't it? Now, I'm waitinggggggg........

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Spinoza wrote:

Assertions? What the h?


Were you trying to say "f**k" and replaced it with a "h" instead? Careful, lest your demi-gawd "a go, go" prince decides to cut your tongue off for such a distressing word!


Ah Menj, you are so overwhelmed aren't ya that you now have to resort to baseless ad hominem you claimed that you were avoiding. Laughing


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Well I did, the article uses faulty statistics (anyone can see that, since the top 10 or even the top 20 of countries in these same statistics will also yield virtually no muslim countries, there are far more non-muslim countries than muslim countries) and does not address buddhism at all.


The statistics provided were from the UNDP and there was at least one Buddhist nation listed (Cambodia, I believe). Yet it was not the objective of the author to say that since Buddhist nations or Christian nations or (.....) nations were listed in the "hall of shame", it follows that a particular religion is at fault. Again, read the link carefully.


Laughing Ah I see, now you have a change of heart, don't you? It used to be that Buddhism is backward since such and such Buddhist nations are backward. Now it is "no fault of any religion that a nation is poor." Laughing

What's up Menj, tired of denying the obvious?

Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit: Here are some corrections to my previous figures (I made some slight adjustments to the calculations (minor mistakes were removed and the glorious nations of Brunei and Syria were added)


Buddhists earn a cool $ 22767 annually
Muslims make $3373

This makes the average Buddhist about 7 times more productive than the Islamic Joe 6 pack.

Buddhists have a life expectancy of almost 72 years at birth, camel urine drinkers 63.5 years.

80.5% of all Buddhists girls and women can read, barely half of their Muslim counterparts.

93.1% of all Buddhists boys and man can read, only 72.8% of the Muslims can say the same.

Not only are Buddhists more equal then Muslims, they are far smarter than the Muslims....I mean FAR smarter and better educated. The only thing I can say is that Muslims are a backward lot.

For every 1000 Buddhists there's 90 cars...Muslims only have 60 (that's half as many cars for the Buddhist), it does pay off to go to school and work for your money.

If we look at secondary school enrolment: 66.2% (that's 2 in 3) Buddhist girsl attends this form of education whilst 72.52% of all Buddhist boys attends this type of education. In the Muslim world only a meagre 39.7% of all girls ever reaps the benefits of secondary school and a measly 50% of all boys..

Madrassa style education is being smacked to the ground by the teachings of infidel Buddha and his followers. AGAIN.

Now the only statistic I could use so far from Menj was Infant mortality (the other stats were to sparse, too many gaps to be reliable)...little Buddhist babies have a far better chance of survival then little Mohammedans...only 30 out of a 1000 babies is still born whilst 60 (that's DOUBLE) of the little Mohammedans die at birth. Before their 1 first birthday 51.5 Buddhist babies are reincarnated whilst 83 little Mohammedans go to Jannah. That's still a difference of about 50%.

Sure, Menj, Islam is TRUELY a blessing for a country.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right. And we have shown that you base yourself on an utterly subjective criterion.


No Menj, statistics like education, health, productivity, literacy etc. ARE very objective. Making 'rankings' isn't. Actually making rankings is rather stupid in this case and it won't 'save' the majority of all muslims from being an unhealthy, poor, unproductive and illiterate bunch.

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And you repeat your myth again for the upteenth time today. Ad nauseam does no credibility to your arguments.


No I've given you the raw numbers. Denying those is like denying 1+1=2.

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The statistics provided were from the UNDP and there was at least one Buddhist nation listed (Cambodia, I believe). Yet it was not the objective of the author to say that since Buddhist nations or Christian nations or (.....) nations were listed in the "hall of shame", it follows that a particular religion is at fault. Again, read the link carefully.


No the author is not researching the Muslims countries, he’s researching the countries that are ‘worst’. You see, when you want to compare Buddhism to Islam you take ALL countries in account, the good ones and the bad ones. It’s not very useful to look a few (small) Christian countries that are very poor indeed.

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The same thing you expected of me when you declared your "victory" in my absence.


You see the difference between your opinion and mine is that mine is based on cold facts and yours is not. You can’t argue with those Menj.

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Talk is cheap, ain't it? Now, I'm waitinggggggg........


On what?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ari wrote:

Ah Menj, you are so overwhelmed aren't ya that you now have to resort to baseless ad hominem you claimed that you were avoiding. Laughing


Yes, that was ad hominem, alright. So? Its not like I'm going to make a habit out of it, like what YOU are fond of doing.


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Laughing Ah I see, now you have a change of heart, don't you? It used to be that Buddhism is backward since such and such Buddhist nations are backward. Now it is "no fault of any religion that a nation is poor."


Had you bothered to read the article presented, instead of blazing your unloaded guns in here like a maniac on the loose, you would immediately see that such subjective criterion to judge a religion is ridiculous.

That does not mean, however, that this negates the fact that the MAJORITY of Buddhist South-East Asia nations are inherently poor.

Have a nice day.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spinoza wrote:
Edit: Here are some corrections to my previous figures (I made some slight adjustments to the calculations (minor mistakes were removed and the glorious nations of Brunei and Syria were added)


Isn't it interesting to note that you have not named the source or the link to the so-called "statistics" you have given us?

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That does not mean, however, that this negates the fact that the MAJORITY of Buddhist South-East Asia nations are inherently


Yes they are, the majority of all muslims ANYwhere in the world is also poor, uneducated and unhealthy. Al lot poorer, unhealthier and illiterate than the avarage Buddhist.

And YES it is a good way to judge the effect of Islam on a nation: Islam is more than theology, it's a way of life remember? Just like Buddhism is. Only Buddhism is less ignorant, has far geater debt, allow far greater freedom for seldevelopment and generally yields FAR better results.

By any objective standard.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes they are, the majority of all muslims ANYwhere in the world is also poor, uneducated and unhealthy. Al lot poorer, unhealthier and illiterate than the avarage Buddhist.


And try backing that up with evidence. Have you gone to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar or Thailand lately? All third-world, backward and inherently BUDDHIST nations Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ultraman agul wrote:
Spinoza wrote:

Yes they are, the majority of all muslims ANYwhere in the world is also poor, uneducated and unhealthy. Al lot poorer, unhealthier and illiterate than the avarage Buddhist.


And try backing that up with evidence. Have you gone to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar or Thailand lately? All third-world, backward and inherently BUDDHIST nations Rolling Eyes

- MENJ



Well, have you yourself??? I see Vietnamese people very nice, down-to-earth and happy. Just because they don't have as much materialistic achievement as western or other more developed Eastern societies doesn't mean they are less happy. And they are much less oppressed socially than Muslims in Islamic societies as well.


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Spinoza wrote:

Yes they are, the majority of all muslims ANYwhere in the world is also poor, uneducated and unhealthy. Al lot poorer, unhealthier and illiterate than the avarage Buddhist.


And try backing that up with evidence. Have you gone to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar or Thailand lately? All third-world, backward and inherently BUDDHIST nations Rolling Eyes

- MENJ


Yes I have been to Indonesia, Srilanka etc. and yes I did back this up with evidence: as you can see ALL these nations are included in my calculations Menj. I used nothing but facts, pure and simple facts.

The numbers are there Menj, laughing in the face of the Ummah.
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ultraman agul wrote:
Spinoza wrote:
Edit: Here are some corrections to my previous figures (I made some slight adjustments to the calculations (minor mistakes were removed and the glorious nations of Brunei and Syria were added)


Isn't it interesting to note that you have not named the source or the link to the so-called "statistics" you have given us?

- MENJ


Yes I have...look carefully and it's all there in the first post...all this shows is how carfully you read before you start yapping.

those child mortality stats also came from this site and from the Unicef site.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes I have...look carefully and it's all there in the first post...all this shows is how carfully you read before you start yapping.


And this is what I get:



So...what was that you were saying again about "yapping"?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ultraman agul wrote:
Spinoza wrote:

Yes I have...look carefully and it's all there in the first post...all this shows is how carfully you read before you start yapping.


And this is what I get:



So...what was that you were saying again about "yapping"?

- MENJ


You are yapping abut me not putting up my sources...even a child can figure this one out...so stop yapping.

If you had the time to actually made a .gif you might as well have actually READ it...it says open the url: WWW.PRB.ORG


Go do your work, you lazy dyslectic evildoer.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are yapping abut me not putting up my sources...even a child can figure this one out...so stop yapping.


It speaks a lot about your "character" when you start to make empty ad hominems Twisted Evil

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If you had the time to actually made a .gif you might as well have actually READ it...it says open the url: WWW.PRB.ORG


Ahh...finally, there's something. But shouldn't you posted that earlier instead of forcing me to go around the mulberry bush? Rolling Eyes

My first impression of the site is that it seems to be concerned about demographics, and not religion or ethnicity. Your "facts-and-figures" still remains in considerable doubt, but I'll dig in further when I have the time.

Have a nice day.

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