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yeezevee
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In line with the earlier reports about Fatima,,
Fatima Jinnah did not die a physical death but was murdered
excerpts from http://frontierpost.com.pk/topstories.asp#22
An interesting letter is published in Dawn by an old collegue of Fatima's friends.. Indeed Pakisthani official of that time are hiding real facts..
| Quote: | Death of Fatima Jinnah
This is with reference to your report on Mr Sharifuddin Pirzada's statement about Ms Jinnah and the Opposition's uproar thereupon which appeared in Dawn of July 23. It is an open secret that Ms Jinnah was murdered by an unknown assailant.
For obvious reasons the story was suppressed by her close friends such as M. H. Ipahani who thought that it would be disrespectful to the memory of the Quaid if his sister's death were to create a rumpus. It suited the government of the time also because it could ill-afford to be scorched by its ominous political ramifications, specially in view of the lingering bitterness of the last presidential election. But somehow the story was leaked to the press which resulted in short-lived street protests against the Ayub government.
The facts of Ms Jinnah's murder were related to me by Syed Darbar Ali Shah, the then commissioner/administrator of Karachi, whom I interviewed some years ago in connection with my forthcoming book The Last Day of Quaid-i-Azam Jinnah, 1947-1948. Syed Sahib was an "insider" and privy to the preliminary inquiry. The murder was linked to a servant who disappeared after the crime and was never found.
Syed Sahib was unable to tell me whether the investigation was pursued to its logical conclusion or was allowed to fade out as in the case of Liaquat Ali Khan's murder.
M. N. QURESHI Islamabad |
from http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/03/letted.htm#10
Indeed Political murders are NOT THAT RARE in Islam.
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yeezevee
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If we take out Mullahs and Mujahuddins buffoons and Major Generals that are propped as Army Chiefs of Pakisthan...Indeed there are very sensible educated population whose voices are drowned by the loud-mouthed Mullah Loud speakers.. Still there is hope for the land of Pure as long as people like Asma Jhangir are alive.
Like Mother Like Daughter, we have read about Asma Jhangir
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=56947&highlight=asma+jahangir#56947
and her fighting/contribution to the Pakistani Social problems.
Now, let us read about her daughter Munizae Jahangir.. Let us extract some good in this thread about Pakisthan..Munizae Jahangir’s film speaks out for those silenced beyond the veil
| Quote: | It’s been a long journey,” said Munizae Jahangir, a 25-year-old filmmaker from Lahore, reclining on a divan at a trendy, smoke-filled Washington Mecca after a screening of Search for freedom, her powerful new documentary on Afghan women.
The journey has not been an easy one. Last year, while shooting scenes at Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s training camps, Ms Jahangir and crew were pelted with stones. But the extraordinary stories of the Afghan woman had to be told, and the crew soldiered on.
The daughter of a businessman and a human rights lawyer, Ms Jahangir studied political science at Canada’s McGill University. She is a skilled Kathak dancer and was tutored by the master dancer, Maharaj Kathak. Today, however, her focus is firmly on film.
Shot on a shoestring budget of $14,000, Search for freedom is only 50 minutes long, but took almost a year to make. It tells the story of four Afghan women who were, for a time, based in Pakistan. It follows their stories through the political turmoil that has beset their homeland from the 1920s through to today. It exposes a political system which failed to give them basic rights or security.
It has played to rapt audiences in both the capital and New York. On the back of the buzz, Amnesty International has scheduled more screenings. In order to catch the eye of those involved in policy making, the film will now be shown at the World Bank in DC later in August. After all, the intention of the film is, as Ms Jahangir says, to “bring human rights abuses to the forefront of political discourse”.
Not all the responses, however, have been positive. At one Amnesty International screening, a man claiming to be an emissary of Abdul Rashi Dostum, Afghanistan’s deputy defence minister and warlord, leapt at Ms Jahangir demanding to know who provided her with footage of Mr Dostum in a brothel.
Rather than go for the grand sweep, Ms Jahangir’s approach has been to focus on the particular. As she says, “The film is in no way a historical account of Afghanistan”. Her approach is well chosen as there have already been plenty of exposés on Islamisation being used to oppress and control the population, but little has been done to reveal the human reaction of women to these controls, to show how their responses helped shape the political landscape.
After interviewing 25 Afghan refugees, working with many of them for up to a week, the film hones in on the story of four. The lives of these four act as a window into the fate of women’s rights in Afghanistan.
First there is Princess Shafiqa Saroj, or Bibijan, who represents the last of the royal family line. She recalls the time her brother King Amanullah’s wife caused a furore when she appeared at the Loya jirga with her face uncovered. “It frightened people. They thought seeing a woman’s face was just too much to bear,” she told the director, drawing on a cigarette.
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Bibijan, equally at home in britches as she was in traditional Afghan dress, stayed put, working as a journalist under a man’s name at one point. Eventually she came to symbolise the Afghan women’s social movement. She moved to Peshawar when the Taliban took over. “At the border crossing, they ripped the only picture I had of my mother,” she says.
Bibijan died last march before she could realise her dream of returning home to Kabul.
Mohsina, the second subject, survived the Taliban massacre of Shia Hazaras in 2001 and now lives in Khewa Camp near Peshawar with her four children, who are aged between two and nine. There is a bitter irony in her story as she is both the most oblivious to political developments and yet the most deeply affected by them. The Taliban killed her husband and every male between the ages of 16 and 60 in her village. The survivors left the village “because it smelled of blood,” and sought refuge in Pakistan. The Pashtun border guard did not allow the Hazaras in, and they were forced to take a longer, more treacherous route. Though they are in Pakistan now, the ghosts from Afghanistan continue to haunt Mohsina and her young children. “They still ask for their father,” Mohsina tearfully tells the crew.
The third tale is of Mairman Khadija Parveen or, as she is known, the ‘Mother of the Nation’. She is said to be the first female singer on Afghan airwaves. Finally there is Sohaila, representing a younger generation of modern and well-educated Afghan women. She is a medical student who had been working at the Revolutionary Afghan Women’s Association (RAWA) hospital in Rawalpindi. Both women are now back in Afghanistan.
Ms Jahangir, a graduate of New School University’s prestigious film-production programme, decided to do the documentary after she read about the work of RAWA. Then September 11 happened and a glut of Afghanistan documentaries suddenly appeared. “If anything, the events of September 11 show us how interconnected the world has really become. What happens in the backwaters of Afghanistan ripples throughout the world,” she said. In such an interrelated world, it is important some aren’t marginalised into unseen obscurity: “I wanted to make a documentary where Afghan women could have voices.”
On her return to Pakistan later this month, Ms Jahangir, who divides her time between Toronto, New York and Lahore, hopes there will be an appetite for her documentary. One of the great benefits of her film is that it shows the life of a problem, through real people’s responses to history. Further, by showing a long period, it reveals the significance of developments and ways the past is alive in the present.
“The seed of fundamentalism has been sown in Afghan society and long after the Taliban have gone, their presence will be felt. Oppression of women has been rooted in the fabric of society and is now intertwined with culture, tradition, religion and the Afghan way of life,” Ms Jahangir says. If Pakistanis do decide to pay attention to the film, there may be a valuable lesson in how to avoid a similar fate. |
excerpts from http://www.thefridaytimes.com/
Movie is worth watching... I wish I could put it on FFI...and I wish all the best to the young director Munizae Jahangir. I also wish her Mother will have good health and long life and that will be an asset not only to Pakisthan but to Indian subcontinent..
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Marriott bombers trained in Pakistan, says Indonesia
* FO says Jakarta didn’t share information with Islamabad
| Quote: | ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday did not dispute Indonesian allegations that the perpetrators of the car bombing at Jakarta’s Marriott Hotel were trained in Pakistan, but the Foreign Ministry complained that Jakarta has not shared the intelligence with Islamabad.
The Foreign Ministry was addressing comments made late Friday by Indonesian Defense Minister Matori Abdul Djalil. He told reporters that the people behind Tuesday’s hotel attack in Jakarta had trained with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The bombing killed 10 people and injured 150. In a brief statement, Foreign Ministry spokesman Masood Khan did not dismiss the possibility that those involved in the Marriott attack could have been trained by Al Qaeda in Pakistan. T
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Earlier, Indonesia’s defense minister said said the bombers were linked to a group of people arrested last month in Semarang and alleged to be members of the Al Qaeda linked terror group Jemaah Islamiyah (JI). “There are many more JI members on the loose in Indonesia ... Because of this I am sure that JI is behind all of this,” he said. Matori said the terror group was behind both Marriott blast, and the Bali nightclub bombings last year.
Meanwhile, an Afghan foreign ministry spokesman said, “It wouldn’t surprise us to hear that the suspect would have received training in Afghanistan.” Terrorists from 40 countries trained here before the Taliban’s ouster in October 2001, he said. —AP/APP |
read it all at
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk./default.asp?page=story_10-8-2003_pg1_4
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9/11 Funds Traced to Pakistan Accounts
Author: John J. Lumpkin, Associated Press Writer
Publication: Yahoo News
Date: July 31, 2003
URL: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=540&u=/ap/20030801/ap_on_re_mi_ea/attacks_intelligence&printer=1
| Quote: | Investigators have traced the funding for the Sept. 11 attacks to al-Qaida accounts in Pakistan, a top FBI (news - web sites) counterterrorism official told a Senate panel Thursday. Officials did little to clarify the Saudi role in the funding.
John S. Pistole, deputy assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, said that investigators have "traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known al-Qaida operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the U.S."
Pistole did not specify in his testimony to the Senate Governmental Affairs committee (news - web sites) how those accounts in Pakistan were funded.
The FBI has estimated the Sept. 11 attacks cost between $175,000 and $250,000. That money, which paid for flight training, travel and other expenses, flowed to the hijackers through associates in Germany and the United Arab Emirates. Those associates reported to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who managed much of the planning for the attacks from Pakistan, U.S. officials said.
Pistole did not discuss reports that some support for the Sept. 11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis.
Senators sought details on the Bush administration's efforts to crack down on Saudi charities accused of terrorism ties.
Richard Newcomb, director of the Treasury Department (news - web sites)'s Office of Foreign Assets Control, said that some Saudi organizations provide considerable support for terrorism.
"The extent to which that takes place is not completely clear, but I would characterize it as considerable," he said.
Newcomb's office is one that recommends freezing foreign bank accounts tied to terrorists. Under questioning from Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, Newcomb said other federal agencies had at times quashed his office's recommendations to freeze funding for certain organizations. He would not name those organizations.
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Penn., said he worried that Saudi Arabia "was being shielded for foreign policy reasons."
The hearing came against the backdrop of questions about Saudi connections to terror, particularly to the Sept. 11 attacks.
Some are calling for the declassification of 28 secret pages in the recent Sept. 11 report that officials say describe a web of connections between prominent businessmen, members of the Saudi royal family and the Islamic charities they support. |
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Become Muslim, get circumcised free!
from the Land of Pure:
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According to Jang, more than a hundred Christians in Dera Saeen in Sargodha were so overcome by the wa’az (sermon) of Maulana Muhammad Jamshed that they decided to become Muslims. The Allah Tawwakal Trust of Sargodha set up a free medical camp in which the new Muslims were circumcised free of cost. In all, 70 boys of 16 years of age were deprived of their heathen foreskins. It is not known if the grown-up men too would be operated upon and if not if they would be accepted as complete Muslims. Also, the convertees were given free clothes. |
Any Takers From this Forum?? Free Cut And Free Clothes..
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yeezevee
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Interesting analysis on Muslim Brians of Pakistan
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html .,Saturday August 16, 2003
Hafizur Rahman
| Quote: | Putting brains to good use
................... there have been countless news reports ever since restrictions were lifted from what sort of information about "the perfect nation, with perfect leaders and perfect citizens" should be allowed to got out, but they are not all about brains and their uses. These two somehow appealed to me for reasons with which I shall conclude this piece.
The first story said that the brains of Lenin, Stalin and other prominent Soviet leaders, including Nobel Prize winner Andrei Sakharov, had been preserved for study in a Moscow science institute.
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Since the study of Lenin' brain was declared top secret and filed away in some dark recess of the Kremlin, we have no means of knowing what it had actually revealed. Unfortunately also, nothing is known about the quality of Stalin's own brain. It must have been galling for the man not to have bits of it tested in his lifetime.
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In a way the emergence of the MQM and the hegemony of Punjab accepted by us, its inhabitants, as a matter of course, are based on this philosophy. And we don't need any dissection or chemical analysis of our forefathers' brains to convince us of it. We are convinced because, as we are fond of saying, this is an incontrovertible fact. Nothing can shake us out of our belief.
....Before Partition, we Muslims of India suffered from the complex that we are less clever and intelligent than the Hindus. But we managed to get Pakistan despite their supposedly higher brainpower. After independence, we Pakistanis of the western wing began to harbour inflated notions of our superiority over the Bengalis, but it is they who got the better of us. They are one nation while we are still debating how to become one.
Had we been considerate and sympathetic, Bangladesh would not have been created. If the Hindus in united India had been more realistic and accommodating, there would have been no need for Pakistan. It is up to us to ponder if these complexes and obsessions about superiority and inferiority are leading us anywhere, and whether it is not better to make humility, love and tolerance our basic creed. That might be the only way to salvation. |
" ....If the Hindus in united India had been more realistic and accommodating, there would have been no need for Pakistan...."
This statement of Mr. Rahman needs careful analysis. The partition of the country in a way was forced on the subcontinent by external and internal elements. And is nothing to do with "Hindu"... and the ability of HINDU in accommodating Muslim...If one thinks carefully .. Addition of one more God(ALLAHA) to the already existing a million God India could have made a very little difference to Hindu Philosophy or Hindu religious views. But that is not true other way around. i.e. A Mohammadonian Muslim will never accept the Plurality in the Hindu Views of God...Who ever the GOD(S/HE/IT) may be.. and there comes clash within the civilization that has been systematically dismantled by the Arabian Concept of "God/Allah"
for almost 1200 years before the partition of the subcontinent..
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:18 am Post subject: |
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There are Many Mohammadonians in the Land of Pure, who always like to be associated with Arabs than the folks of subcontinent. Also there are many who write in the Pakistan's Newspapers day in and day out about How INDIA is the problem in subcontinent. And one of them quickly come to mind is Mr. Pervaiz Iqbal Cheema;
The writer works for Islamabad; Policy Research Institute. The Other name for it is ISI..The man is a relic... never misses a chance to Hit at India..And I am sure he loves to see India disappear in one good morning..
Here is one of his recent articles from. http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html., He turns present Afghan/Pakistan problem in to India bad. And India is the reason for the Pak/Afghan problem. The guy doesn't even look in to 10 year back history of Pakistan and its role in Afghanistan..
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Pakistan is one of those neighbours of Afghanistan, which has always constructively worked for the welfare of Afghan people. Ever since Pakistan was born it has never hesitated to extend cooperation to Afghanistan both in times of peace and war. It has always looked upon Afghanistan as a brotherly Muslim neighbour. Besides, there also exists ethnic linkage. A simple review of Pak-Afghan relations clearly indicates that Pakistan always desired a friendship with Afghanistan. .
.....The fourth and a major source of irritants that influenced Pak-Afghan relations for a very long time was the issue of Pakhtoonistan -- separate independent homeland for the Pakhtoons living inside Pakistan. The movement was not just supported by the Afghan government but India also made massive contributions in sustaining this movement. Intriguingly the concept of Paktoonistan did not include Pakhtoons living in Afghanistan. Four sets of arguments were advanced in favour of Pakhtoonistan.
Just as Pakistan-Afghanistan has experienced strains in the past, the two governments are getting the taste of few recently surfaced irritants once again. Among those deserving comments include unwanted exchange of fire on the border, the nefarious activities of the Indian consulates and the proposal for the construction of dams on River Kabul.First, the exchange of fire on a specific section of the Durand Line
While it is expected that the establishment of a tripartite committee would be able to curb their activities and the border would again become dormant, the advent of the Indians in too many consulates would continue to generate suspicions and worries especially when one realises that there exist hardly any grounds for the Indians to even consider establishing a consulate at places like Jalalabad and Kandahar. The Afghan transition government must take notice of their activities.
Finally a major irritant that is beginning to emerge revolves around the proposal to construct large dams on the Afghan side of Kabul River. The building of large dams would imply that Pakistan would not get roughly 15 to 20% of water that is being supplied by the river Kabul. While one has to admit that Afghan government has every right to use its river waters but one has to take into consideration the rights of the lower riparian as well. Since the proposal has been initiated by the India, which has also offered technical assistance as it aims to kill two birds with one stone, one has to take it seriously and assess its likely repercussions for Pakistan. It is becoming increasingly clearer that the representatives of Northern Alliance in the Kabul government are bending backward to please India even at the cost of damaging relations with an immediate neighbour.
Admittedly the Indians, like many other countries, are helping the Afghans but the Karzai government needs to be careful and vigilant about their activities that are aimed at and could hurt Pak-Afghan relations. Since the Indians are known to indulge in such activities as using a third country's territory to promote their negative pursuits along with the fact that a powerful faction of the Kabul regime is extremely sympathetic to them, it is particularly important that care is taken to avert unnecessary consequences. ... |
The guys is a relic, he turns every article and every issue in to India The bad one...
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:31 am Post subject: |
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In STARK contrast to that Mr. Cheema article... Let us look in to what
Beena Sarwar writing about India/Pakisthan.....
Build Bridges, not bombs
Beena Sarwar
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"We want peace between India and Pakistan."
The discussion continued through the din as the group handed out placards mounted on thin bamboo sticks and candles. More activists -- men, women and children -- arrived to join the vigil. Around them, rivers of human forms flowed towards the illuminated Mazar, or away from it. Silencer-less motorcycles roared between private vehicles packed with families and buses, their rooftops loaded with shouting, whistling, flag wavers. "Amazing enthusiasm," observed one of the Nepalis.
An activist produced a camera, and the young boys clamoured to be photographed. "Where will these pictures be printed?" asked one. There was no media present, except one participant who was there in a personal capacity. "So who are we doing this for?"
"For ourselves, for people here, and friends in India and around the world... Can't we do something for ourselves?"
"Sure, why not? We want peace. But there's no leadership, and the people don't want it either. We'll follow anyone who brings us peace."
"Who doesn't want peace -- politicians, bureaucracy, army? Who gains from the tension? Aren't we, you and me, the people also?"
...The Karachi vigil brought together private citizens, responding to a call from the West Bengal chapter of the Pakistan-India People's Forum for Peace and Democracy (PIPFPD). It was just one manifestation of the desire for an end to tensions. Similar events were held in India -- Delhi, Ahmadabad, Calcutta, Pune, Bombay, while the Wagah-Atari border crossing demonstration drew an unprecedented number of people on both sides, as Pakistani parliamentarians and minority representatives joined Indians in celebrating the two independence days together...
Veteran journalist Kuldeep Nayar has been lighting candles at the border on Aug 14 for ten years; this was the first time that Pakistan allowed similar activity from this side. Last year, Pakistani border officials attacked peace activists with lathis and abuses, not even sparing figures of international stature like Asma Jahangir, Hina Jillani and Dr Mubashir Hasan. This time, it was a changed atmosphere. Grp Capt (r) Cecil Chowdhry, a 1965 war hero turned peace activist, wrote to the AsiaPeace email list: "Government officials were very cooperative in allowing all of us to see off our delegation right up to the gate of no man's land."
The India-Pakistan rivalry is reflected in expatriate communities -- who often meet 'the other' for the first time abroad. But many are working to break the barriers of distrust and bigotry. They include citizens "from all walks of life -- physicians, students, academicians, social workers, shopkeepers and journalists, men and women, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and others who celebrate their unity in diversity," says a press release from the new USA-based Develop in Peace (DiP) campaign. DiP pulls together many "common people turned campaigners", including groups like Friends of South Asia, Action Group of Physicians of South Asia, and the Alliance for a Secular and Democratic South Asia.
This year, they organised activities in the USA, UK and Canada to jointly celebrate their countries' independence. In the USA, citizens participated from Houston, Madison, San Francisco, Boston, Charlotte, St Louis, Ann Arbor, Minneapolis, Madison, Atlanta, and Palo Alto. National anthems were jointly sung, flags hoisted, and meetings held, with poetry, music and food. These activities culminate today, August 17, in a conference call from Houston connecting all the participating cities.
The campaign rejects "hatred, violence and distrust in the name of religion, caste, regional, national or any other identities", and denounces the arms race; "demanding development, not destruction, with the poorest of the poor in sight; asking governments and politicians to build bridges, not bombs; and provide security through food, not propaganda." They are aiming for thousands of signatures for their online petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/DIP81415/petition.html), to be submitted to policy makers on September 21, the UN International Day of Peace. The campaign will continue to the January 2004 Islamabad Indo-Pak summit and SAARC meeting "and beyond".
one says
"We watnt And friendship with India?"
"Are you crazy? Would I be here if I wanted dosti? The Indians always deceive us," he replied, barely saving his flag from being snatched up by youngster on the crowded roof of a bus lumbering by. "Oye, stop that!"
"They say that we deceive them, like with Kargil."
"Well. Maybe you are right. Maybe they are right. I suppose they are people like us," he replied, waving his flag at another bus rolling by, its roof crammed with revelers.
This time, he wasn't able to save his flag. "Oye!" he yelled, brandishing the bereft flag-pole.
"Yaar, just leave it," shrugged his friend.
They smiled and waved before disappearing into the crowd.
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Let Us Hope for a Borderless country for future generations.. all the way from Bangladesh to Balouchisthan....
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yeezevee
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Interesting Observations of Dr Farrukh Saleem
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
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On 12 October 1999, Pak Army took over Islamabad. On October 13, General Pervez Musharraf announced that the "Nawaz Sharif government has been dismissed." On October 14, General Musharraf declared himself the Chief Executive of Pakistan and issued a declaration putting the Constitution into abeyance.
In March 2000, President Clinton danced in India for 5 long days and committed to invest $10 billion. Six and a half hours in Pakistan and didn't even leave a $10 gratuity (first US President to visit Pakistan in 31 years and the first ever to address the people of Pakistan). Chelsea and granny Dorothy played holi at the Ummed Bhawan palace in Jodhpur. In Islamabad, security arrangements were so tight as if Pakistan was enemy territory.
In FY2001, total American assistance to Pakistan - excluding food aid -- amounted to $5 million. In FY2002, Pakistan got a little over $1 billion. For FY2003 the President asked for $505 million, Congress allocated $495 million. For FY2003, Bush's request to Congress stands at $395 million. During our Camp David (June 2003), Bush promised to "work with Congress on a establishing a 5-year, $3 billion aid package for Pakistan." That money, if allocated by Congress, shall only be available starting Calendar 2005.
India has over time managed to institutionalise her support in Congress. Pakistan's support, on the other hand, continues to be event-dependent, event-driven and time-bound. This is what needs changing. .. |
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A Letter From Land Of Pure, A Common View of Muslim..
| Quote: | Woman's status in Islam
In her letter of Aug 19, Dr Mahnaz Fatima has informed us that men are the maintainers of women because they are providers of the family. She has also informed us that women are allowed to earn for themselves (and hence be the providers too).
In this subtle manner, she has put forth an interesting suggestion for the women of the country - that if they wish to overcome the "edge" given to men by God, they simply need to step out of their homes and start earning for themselves. This is an incredibly shallow and materialistic vision.
Not only that, this is a gross misinterpretation. If you read the verse referred to (Surah Nisa, verse 34) in sequence, you will realize that men are "primarily" the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of His creation "to excel others".
Also, if you observe the verse in which it states that women shall have the benefit of what they earn (verse 32), it begins with the admonition: "Do not covet that by which Allah has made some of you excel others."
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Interesting article from London about Indo/PaK/Bangladesh outlook on Iraq war.
Post Iraq war scenario and world leadership
By Yamin Zakaria
UK, London
| Quote: | Recent decision by India not to send her troops despite requests from the American government can only be looked upon with admiration. It shows her determination to be independent and to pursue her genuine national interests rather then simply to subject herself to the overt bribes and threats from the US government. Threats and bribes has become a hallmark for the US ambassadors in the various countries where they behave like Viceroys of the British era.
Historically speaking, Mrs Indira Ghandi also undertook such decisions when the US tried to turn it into one of her military bases to enforce the foreign policy of the pre-Nixon era of containing China. Perhaps that is why Pakistan became a convenient ally of the US rather than a natural one. Exertion of such determination and will power based on a long-term vision is part of the reason why India is moving towards becoming a significant regional power. This is something that the regime in Pakistan has yet to realise.
It is interesting to note that India being a predominantly Hindu country has opposed the war vehemently on various grounds, and she matched her words with deeds by refusing to send troops to give legitimacy to the illegal occupation and implicitly the war.Whereas, the protests from the masses in the two neighbouring countries of India –Pakistan and Bangladeh -- were in much larger numbers, which was naturally expected as both are predominantly Muslim countries. Yet the governments of these two countries failed to adequately condemn this immoral and illegal war in Iraq.
The recent uncovering of the lies by the BBC (dodgy dossier, dodgy intelligence, dodgy 45 minutes possibilities nuclear blasts by Sadam Hussein and now the dodgy death of Dr Kelly) coupled with the failure to find Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) the criminality of Bush and Blair is beyond doubt. Why is it that only history must judge the Bush and Blair rather than the arm of International laws, if the laws are genuinely International? It seems that we are living in an era where such laws gets interpreted and applied by the Anglo-Saxon world to enforce their own agenda. A real proof of the justice of International Laws would be demonstrated by subjecting Bush and Blair to criminal prosecution in the Hague by the relatives of the 8000 civilians and Journalists who have been murdered by this illegal and criminal war. Remember the old axiom, the real test of the law is not to bring the weak to justice but the strong as well.
Far from condemning the war, criminals Blair and Bush, the leaders of these two countries (Bangladesh and Pakistan) are seems looking for ways to send their troops in return for some financial benefit, behaving like the 19th century’s Nawabs of India when they sold themselves to the British in consideration for their personal privileges.
Such behaviour clearly demonstrates the real distance between the ruling elites of these two nations with the feeling and the aspirations of its masses. |
I am of the opinion, One can not win the War with any religious doctrine by using Guns and force But with PEN..
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Maulana Masood Azhar
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When do you take him away
and why did Indian Police didn't let you take him away..
Please Take him away ASAP and provide as many houries as you can to This SOUL named on this earth as Maulana Masood Azhar |
Masood Azhar BioSketch: Mr. Maulana has spent time in jails in India and Pakistan. He is a religious leader who supports Muslim separatists fighting in Indian-administered Kashmir. He features on India's most wanted list of 20 people it accuses of terrorism.
The group he leads, Jaishe Mohammad [JM], is accused of a string of deadly attacks on Indian targets, including one on parliament in Delhi in December 2001. He was detained for a year by authorities in Pakistan in connection with that attack, but never formally charged. The Lahore High Court ordered an end to his house arrest on 14 December 2002.
Three years ago, Azhar was freed from an Indian prison in exchange for passengers on a hijacked Indian Airlines jet. His brother, Ibrahim, is thought to have been one of the hijackers.
]Top Jihadi says Musharraf is a Traitor: Jihad will Continue
excerpts from Maulana interview
http://www.satribune.com/archives/aug24_30_03/P1_azhar.htm
| Quote: | India arrested him in 1994, and accused him of being a member of the Harkat-ul Mujahideen, one of the leading militant groups in Kashmir. In 1995 a group, which kidnapped six Western tourists, also called for his release. One of the hostages, a Norwegian was killed, one escaped and the remainder are missing but feared dead. The tourists were trekking in Kashmir's Pahalgam district when they were captured.
Indian security officials say Azhar comes from a rich land-owning family in Pakistan. He was born in 1968 in Bahawalpur, in the central Pakistani province of Punjab. He received his Islamic education at Jamia Uloom-i-Islami, near Karachi, which has a reputation as one of Pakistan's leading religious universities. After completing his education, he became a teacher at the institute for several years. He went on to write several Islamic books and became editor of a religious magazine. His family say that when he was arrested he was in India working for the magazine.
Recently he sat down with Mohammad Shehzad for an interview for South Asia Tribune. Excerpts:
Q. How do you look at the current phase of peace talks between India and Pakistan?
This phase of peace talks clearly indicates that the current regime in Pakistan is too weak to resist India. It is coward and ready to kneel down before India at Vajpayee’s pleasure. I am really surprised to observe that our rulers are dying to embrace India despite the fact that the Indian leadership had declared Pakistan a fit case for pre-emptive strike comparing it with Iraq. It seems their ghairat [honor] has slept and there is a need to awaken it.
Q. How their ghairat could be awoken? Who would do this job?
It could be done by a true Muslim. It will be done through jihad. The rulers are the not the true Muslims. They are the lackeys of big powers. They are guided by the rules of international politics and diplomacy, not by the teachings of Islam and the precepts of the Holy Prophet. The intoxication of power has blinded them. They cannot think like an independent person. The fate of ummah [Islamic nationhood] cannot be left on them.
By the grace of Almighty, there is a group of true Muslims among us. They can distinguish between the vice and virtue, and Islam and kuffar [non-belief]. In every era, such virtuous Muslims—the mujahideen [the warriors of Islam]—have been fighting the immoral and corrupt rulers. They have been upholding the supremacy of Islam by fighting jihad against the enemies of Islam. We all—the mujahideen of JM are busy on this front—fighting a jihad against the worst enemy of Islam—the Indian army that is blatantly slaughtering the Kashmiri Muslims. So, only mujahideen can awake them from their slumber of oblivion through jihad.
Q. Are you saying that you are going to wage jihad against the state to wake up the leaders’ ghairat?
I am not suggesting a jihad against the state. The state consists of our brothers, sisters, and elders. No, I am not saying that we should take up guns against our own people. What I am trying to convey is, let the rulers work according to their own game plan—that, by the way is the game plan of the foreign powers that are anti-Islam and jihad. We will be following the agenda of Allah i.e. jihad against the oppressors to help the oppressed. Don’t you remember the Kargil! Ghaddar [traitor] Nawaz Sharif was having a love-affair with Vajpayee and the then warrior of Islam—General Pervez Musharraf who has now unfortunately become the stable boy of Bush—was fighting a jihad and waking up the ghairat of bai-ghairat [honor-less] Sharif. That’s what we are doing. We are teaching the Indian army a good lesson.
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Q. Why would India collapse? It’s economy is stable and strong and flourishing…
How do you know this? These are just lies. Mujahideen are giving the Indians a very tough time. India is bleeding and will die soon.
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Q. What is the current status of your group?
I am heading Khuddamul Islam, a tablighee [advocacy] organization that preaches Islam. Jaishe Mohammad is active only in Kashmir. It is working freely and there is no restriction on it.
Q. Which Kashmir?
Inside Kashmir where the Indian army is targeting the Kashmiri Muslims. Our entire infrastructure exists there. We train the mujahideen and plan attacks on the Indian army.
Q. According to a story by The News, you were involved in Daniel Pearl’s murder...
It is an outrageous lie. What is the credibility of the man who has published this report? He is living in self-exile in the US and working against the interests of Islam.
Q. Some workers of Jaish had killed the French engineers in Karachi. They have been sentenced to death. Any comments?
There are some political reasons behind it. But let me tell you that in my opinion, they are great mujahideen. They have rich contribution in Kashmir jihad. I am sure they will go to heaven.
Q. What is your opinion about General Musharraf?
I do not have a positive opinion about him. He is a traitor of Islam and jihad. He will do anything to save his uniform. He is cut above Nawaz Sharif. While Nawaz had sold the blood of Kashmiris and mujahideen. Musharraf has sold the blood of Kashmiris, mujahideen and Afghans.
Q. How do you look at Maulana Fazlur Rehman’s Delhi yatra?
Maulana is a man of double standards. He is speaking the same language in India that had been spoken by the officials of Government of Pakistan had they been in India. Rehman is a politician, not a jihadi. He pretends to be the apostle of jihad. Tell me, did he ever participate in jihad and serve jail. Did he ever send his own relatives for jihad? He can’t walk a few yards and sermonizes people for jihad! May Allah save us from such hypocrites. Ameen! |
Ameen! Allha take care of this Maulana ASAP..
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The land Of Pure Finally started With First Draft On karo-kari On Thursday August 28, 2003 The news paper Jang says, let us see how many years will it take to make at as a Rule Of The Land
Draft on karo-kari finalised .. Great achievement, on the other hand I am glad some one is talking, apart from women of that Land.
| Quote: | KARACHI: The Sindh Government has finalised the draft to propose amendments to the PPC for curbing the menace of killings on the pretext of karo-kari. The draft was finalised at a high level meeting which was attended by advisor to the chief minister on Home, Aftab Shaikh, IG Police Syed Kamal Shah, Secretaries of Home and Law Department, Capital City Police Officer, Advocate General Sindh, Anwar Mansoor, Additional Advocate General, Kazi Khalid Ali, Principal Secretary and AIG Nayyar Hasnain. Sindh Governor Dr Ishrat-ul-Ebad presided over the meeting.
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1). He pointed out under Section 300 of the PPC murder had been defined as Qatl-e-Amad. Committing murder with any intention, including on the pretext of Karo-kari was Qatl-e-Amad, which was punishable to death under Section 302 of the PPC, he added.
2). He said that Section 302 PPC said that whoever committed Qatl-e-Amad, would be punished with death as Qisas or punished with death or imprisonment for life as taazir, having regard to the facts and circumstances of the case or
3). if the proof in either of the form specified in Section 304 was not available (c) punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which might extend to 25 years, where according to the injunctions of Islam the punishment of Qisas was not applicable.
The proposed draft finalised at the meeting would now be sent to the federal government for further action. It recommends that (i) in Section 300 of the PPC following explanation might be added: Qatl-e-Amad shall include amongst others, murder on the pretext of Karo-kari, Siahkari or Ghairat. (ii) In Section 302 of the PPC after clause (c) following new clause (d) might be added: (d) whoever commits, abets, encourages induces commission of Qatl-e-Amad on the pretext of Karo-kari, Siahkari or Ghairat or recognises such murders as an honour killing, shall also be punished with death. |
read the rest at http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
Though it is only a proposal, I am still happy, BUT Helloooo, There are men and women in Jails for Blasphemy.. do something with that ..
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US monitoring Zardari’s detention: PPP
General-CEO-President Pervez Musharraf tighten your belt otherwise move out of Land of Pure
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ISLAMABAD: PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari’s long detention in jail has not gone unnoticed in the United States where, according to Pakistan People’s Party, Senator John Cornyn of Texas has said US State Department was carefully monitoring his continued arrest.
"As with all other persons incarcerated in Pakistan Mr Zardari should be afforded all due process, rights and protections," said Cornyn when a delegation of PPP in Houston, US, called on him the other day. The PPP delegation comprised PPP Houston President Hasan Raza, General Secretary Riaz Hussain, Moon Khan and Farooq Ruby. They expressed concern over the continued imprisonment of Asif Ali Zardari since 1996.
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read the rest at August 30, 2003 http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
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Musharraf cannot create a garrsion statesays Benazir Bhutto; An Interview with Benazir
Excerpts from the interview:
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Q: Everyone's perception is that the US support sustains General Musharraf as President. How long do you think Americans would continue to help him?
A: It is difficult to guess. But, the General is an indirect beneficiary of the fact that the US's hand are full at the moment with problems in Afghanistan and Iraq. But, sooner or later Americans would also realise that he is an architect of a new political structure that is not democratic and that people's unhappiness with him is deepening.
Tensions with Karzai have been growing because of the belief that the Taliban are regrouping in Pakistan. Musharraf is at loggerheads with political parties and the fragile hope of peace with India has been dashed because of car bombs in Bombay. The number of people who came for the rally called by the ARD (Alliance for Restoration of Democracy) on August 14 will put further pressure on Musharraf. Another turnout like that in September would make the US realise that the country needs consensus for lasting peace.
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Q: There was a report that a deal has been struck under which Musharraf would hand over Oasma bin Laden to President Bush next year about the time of the Presidential election. Do you believe that Bin Laden is in Pakistan?
A: I would like to call upon the General to clarify reports that Osama bin Laden is somewhere within the 120-mile radius of the northern area of our country. This is reported in international media. It is said that Osama is in Pakistan. How did he flee from Tora Bora?
The contents of discussions between the west and Musharraf about Osama must be revealed because speculations have caused discontent. The perception that he is in Pakistan is worrying me. It is important for the image of Pakistan that either the perception of him in the country is removed or he is arrested.
Q: Are you not afraid of asking for his arrest?
A: I am but I am more afraid for my country. These are dangerous times for Pakistan. When the whole world is united against terrorism, the impression that he is there would not help in securing investments for development or tourism.
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Q: You think the General is serious about peace with India?
A: I was hanging to the hope that he was. I was cautiously optimistic. I am unsure now. Car bombs in Bombay have raised some questions. One is unsure of the direction of those who initiated it. Whether it was some local group unhappy with the report on Ayodhya or was it some thing else. Unless we know that there would be a lot of brinkmanship.
If the General really wants peace with India, he has to co-opt forces, the political parties, which would lead to peace. He cannot be in confrontation with such forces. Why does he seek to confront us? Why does he put on various pretexts? I would like the real Musharraf to come forward. I wonder whether a military dictator can make peace with India. It is another matter when military targets are but it's a very serious matter of concern if civilians are targeted.
I am very happy that Atal Bihari Vajpayee has expressed a desire to talk to all Kashmiri groups. This is a very positive and good step. Communication can help resolve differences. I feel that there is great enthusiasm for peace. People have been troubled by the intensity of violence.
Q: How did you find the Indian leaders during your visit to India?
A: I was very happy to learn that recently many like Maulana Fazlur Raheman went across Wagah to visit India. When I went there I was savagely criticised. I am glad that that barrier is now broken. I met Vajpayee, Advani and Indira Gandhi. Given the goodwill, a new era of regional friendship and peace can be ushered in.
Q: But can it happen under Musharraf?
A: Military dictators cannot make peace with India.
Q: Do you expect him to go soon? You said that by next March all those in exile would be able to get back and those held in jails would be free.
A: He will if he does not honour Parliament. His threats to dismiss the Assembly is just bluff, a brinkmanship. It took him three years to set up the Assembly. It will be a failure for him if he does not win its support. He will have to go, if Parliament goes.
I believe that dissensions within his own set-up and the growing disenchantment of the people and his failure to woo parties would force him to step down.
He cannot set up a garrison state. |
read it all at http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5983_356504,00430005.htm
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=155541
| Quote: | ISLAMABAD: Worried over reports of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf trying to strike a deal with the anti-American Islamist MMA alliance to tide over the present political crisis, US has begun efforts to bring about rapprochement between the General and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, media reports said on Sunday.
Richard G Lugar, Chairman of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations has begun efforts to open up new channels of communications between Musharraf and Bhutto who lives in self exile in London, the daily Dawn said.
The US reportedly stepped up pressure on Musharraf as he persistently tried to work out a compromise with the anti-American Islamist alliance, Muthahia Majlis Amal, (MMA) instead of liberal parties after painting Bhutto and another former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as the country's number one enemies, it said.
Senator Lugar stepped in after the failure of similar attempts made by Assistant Secretary of State Christina Rocca, the daily said.
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Musharraf has already made it clear he would not allow Bhutto and Sharif to return to take over power. Both were prevented from contesting the last general elections on the grounds of amended rules of disqualification brought in by the General.
Bhutto's PPP and Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League-N, has a combined strength of 80 seats in the 342 member National Assembly.
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read it all at http://www.satribune.com/archives/aug31_sep6_03/opinion_bb.htm
| Quote: | The reason Musharraf wants to make Parliament subservient is that he can no longer preside over cabinet meetings. He misses the time when he could change laws at will through edicts. Whatever he wished, right or wrong, became law. He was surrounded by yes men and courtiers
He does not want to give up the army post. It is surprising that he is unable to find one amongst the many military colleagues whom he could trust as the new army chief. .....
Musharraf’s lack of leadership qualities gave birth to the ill advised Kargil adventure where Islamabad had to withdraw unilaterally after three thousand soldiers and officers gave their lives for the success of the operation. He joined the war against terror without consulting his handpicked National Security Council or handpicked cabinet. ....
It must be asked, as the Bombay Blasts once again shake the fragile peace initiative between India and Pakistan, greater Taliban activity hurts Pak Afghan relations, Musharraf remains mired in a constitutional crisis at home and the specter of poverty continues to haunt the youth of Pakistan while Musharraf remains at loggerheads with Pakistan’s two major parties whose leaders he fears, if he is the right person to lead Pakistan.
The writer is a former Prime Minister of Pakistan and leader of PPP, now in exile. |
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Pakistan to send more troops to Saudi Arabia
I wonder why Arabian Kings need Pakisthani Troops..
| Quote: | BRUSSELS: Civil and military authorities in Pakistan have decided to provide additional military and security personnel to Saudi Arabia to fill the gap created by the withdrawal of the US and other Western troops from the Kingdom, reliable defence sources told The News.
Saudi Arabia has already given a pledge to Pakistani authorities it would welcome additional Pakistani military and security advisers and troops primarily to replace the Western military personnel who have left the kingdom over the last year.
Pakistani military personnel in Saudi Arabia would play an effective role in several projects designed to bolster the defence and security of the kingdom. "Pakistani military and security personnel sent to Saudi Arabia would play two-pronged security related role: first, to replace some of the westerners who have left or leaving the kingdom and secondly, to help in the expansion of the security related projects already being executed by Pakistani personnel in Saudi Arabia," the defence source underlined.
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Pakistan to train 825 Afghan policemen
http://www.dawn.com/2003/09/03/nat12.htm
That is a bad news to Afghanisthan, What Pakisthan need to do is Train Women as Police Not Men.., All MEN should be sent public schools to learn basic sciences and basic skills. Police force should be replaced with All women police force across both the countries..
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PESHAWAR, Sept 2: Pakistan will train 825 officers of Afghan police, while the fate of a women force would be decided later.
The staff of Police Training College, Sihala, and Police Training College, Hangu, would train the Afghan policemen in Pakistan, Gen Mohammad Akbar Ahmadzai, Director-General of Interior Ministry of Afghanistan, said while talking to reporters at the Afghan Consulate here on Tuesday.
Mr Ahmadzai, who led a four-member delegation comprising Gen Mujtaba, Gen Bashir Ahmad and Gen Ismail of the Interior Ministry, held separate meetings with Pakistan officials in Islamabad.
During their stay, the delegation visited two police training colleges and exchanged a working plan with their Pakistani counterparts.
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"We want to train our force, particularly in criminology, intelligence, investigation and operations. America, Germany, Russia and Turkey have also offered the same facility of training for Afghan police. But, we have selected Pakistan for identical nature of crimes and languages of both sides," Mr Ahmadzai said.... |
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| yeezevee wrote: | Pakistan to train 825 Afghan policemen
http://www.dawn.com/2003/09/03/nat12.htm
That is a bad news to Afghanisthan, What Pakisthan need to do is Train Women as Police Not Men.., All MEN should be sent public schools to learn basic sciences and basic skills. Police force should be replaced with All women police force across both the countries..
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If Pakistan trains Afghan police cadets then all US expense in humans and material wealth in Afganistan is going down the drain.
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Benazir's 'violation' of oath to be probed: ARD wants generals' trial for treason By Raja Asghar
http://www.dawn.com/2003/09/06/top4.htm
| Quote: | ISLAMABAD, Sept 5: Amid rising tensions in the National Assembly, the government said on Friday it would probe whether
former prime minister Benazir Bhutto had violated her oath of office by revealing an old military briefing to an Indian journalist.
The statement that the law and parliamentary affairs ministry would examine the issue came after five ruling coalition members moved a call-attention notice over the matter amid an opposition protest in the house against the LFO.
The move was denounced by the opposition parties as provocative and designed to divert attention from the current constitutional deadlock.
It was based on Ms Bhutto's interview last month in a New York-based fortnightly magazine India Abroad that quoted her as saying that General Pervez Musharraf had presented a war plan to her - that she rejected as prime minister in the 1990s - to send Mujahideen to Kargil and finally capture Srinagar.
Gen Musharraf was the director ofmilitary operations at the time, and interviewer Shyam Bhatia quoted Ms Bhutto as saying she rejected the plan otherwise the blood of about 3,000 Pakistani soldiers killed in the Kargil operation later in 1999 would have been on her hands.
Friday's was the latest in a series of recent moves from the treasury benches, spearheaded by smaller allies of the PML-Q such as the PPP-Patriots group of defectors from the PPP, to put opposition on the defensive.
In a reference to corruption charges often levelled against the self-exiled former prime minister, he said the interview also showed the military had been concerned with ways to liberate Kashmir and defend Pakistan rather than "loot the country's exchequer".
Mr Bhandara accused the former prime minister of suffering from megalomania and what he called cryptomania as he read out the call-attention notice on behalf of its five sponsors.
"These shouts will not drown the facts of life," he said about opposition shouting of "Go, Musharraf go" and "No, LFO no" slogans that continued throughout the proceedings before deputy speaker Sardar Mohammad Yaqub Khan, who chaired the sitting, adjourned the house until 5.30pm on Monday.
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So They Murdered Her Father Now They want Kill Her Too.. Yes The Generals and the King the party rulers are pissing in their Pants.. The only way is Charge the Lady with Treason and Kill Her...So they can rule for ever The Land Of Pure.. Dirty Politics and bloody Feudals
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wHO NEED'S PEACE WITH pAKISTAN???
http://www.ndtv.com/columns/showcolumns.asp?id=882
For quite some time I've been reading the opinions of western analysts who insist that the absence of peace with Pakistan is what is holding India back.
On the face of it, this is a seductive argument, which normally runs along these lines.
"If only India and Pakistan would resolve their differences over Kashmir, think of the great impact on their economies. Think of how powerful and huge a market it would be, if the two countries began to trade with each other. Think about the impact on poverty, if the two nations stopped spending so much money on defence. Why don't they worry about development instead of Kashmir?"
A seductive argument, and probably true in the case of Pakistan. But is it really true in the case of India?
Take the giant market. Yes, India and Pakistan together would have a market of 1.2 billion people. But a billion of those are already there in the Indian market. Adding an extra couple of hundred millions is neither here nor there.
And defence? Yes, India spends a lot of money on defence, much of it aimed at Pakistan. But would the defence budget really shrink if Pakistan was a friend and ally instead of a permanent enemy? Perhaps not.
There are a number of other threats, and in any case, a nation purporting to great power status would need to maintain a certain military strength.
The real impediments to India's economic growth are probably internal, and the remedies are also internal. For decades, progress was held back by bizarre economic policies like licensing.
Liberalization has freed the Indian economy to realize its full potential, but only partially - there are still crucial pieces of reform that must be pushed through. If the government gets its act together, India would be one of the best performing economies in the world, Pakistan or no Pakistan.
There are essentially three ways in which Pakistan can hold India back. The first would be if there were an actual war. Then all bets would be off, especially if the war turned nuclear, and there is a good chance that it could.
I am always amazed at Indian super-patriots who deride Pakistan as an insignificant country in one breath, and then demand that the government bomb it to smithereens in the next. When asked whether they feel that striking Pakistan would be worth the loss of Mumbai or Delhi, they usually lapse into silence.
Second, Pakistan can continue to bleed India slowly through its sponsorship of cross border terrorism. This is a genuine concern, and cornering Pakistan on this issue will remain a key focus of Indian foreign policy for a long while.
But even in this area, there are some points that we must remember. Many of the terrorist groups now espouse a Pan-Islamic jihadi ideology, and they would probably continue to target India even if there was to be a lasting peace with Pakistan. Also, the truly dangerous dimension to terrorism in India would be if a greater number of Indian Muslims took to terror as a response to events like the Gujarat riots.
That would be the one factor that could shatter India's hopes of becoming a great power, but again, though Pakistan would certainly fish in troubled waters, this is primarily an internal problem. If we get our own act together, then there will always be a limit to how much Pakistan can bleed India through terrorism, (especially if we also show the resolve to settle the internal problems in Jammu and Kashmir).
Finally, the one important way in which Pakistan does succeed in holding India back. In the eyes of the world, there is still a hyphenated relationship. Media discussions on South Asia are always India-Pakistan. Defence deals are discussed in the context of India-Pakistan. Diplomatic ties are evaluated on the basis of India-Pakistan. This has to change; after all no-one would only talk about China in the same breath as Taiwan.
As India tries to stride forward to reclaim its status as a global power, the hyphenated relationship with Pakistan is a giant ball and chain tied around its feet, restricting the nation's role and aspirations to a purely South Asian stage.
In the pre-September 11 period, India had almost succeeded in snapping the hyphenation, but unfortunately it has crept back, and largely because of all the talk of war between the two countries.
If we are to rise to our full global potential, we would need to first snap the hyphenation in our own minds. We need to stop constantly looking over our shoulders at Pakistan and realize that we can mitigate much of the ill effects of Pakistani hostility if we simply set our own house in order.
For Pakistan the challenge is far more complex. India can, and does, flourish even in the absence of peace on the subcontinent. Pakistan will find it hard to do so. And that's why it is for Pakistan to figure out how it can make peace.
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