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[Abudosama]

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Humanity
السلام عليكم Peace be on to you

When to Beat A Women.

[Unknown 90]

you are one of the few that dont beat his wife.

I bet she lives in fear her entire life and isnt happy at all.

[nina]

[adnan]

When to beat a woman ? When to pop out someone's eyes?
Or when to rob the bank? Or when to flirt with AbuDosama's wife?

When to beat a woman?
NEVER, is the answer, to all these questions, AbuDosama.

Adnan
(former Muslim)
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O Muslims, Leave Islam. When Allah asks you "Why did you leave Islam?", tell him "Because, You said in Quran 2:256,'there is no compulsion in religion'."

[Unknown 90]

Abudosama's wife is like a computer.
these are the programming codes.

[Ari]

[Steven Luotto]

I beat my wife regularly and severely... at ping pong

[Orenda]

guarding the unseen isnt in the arabic quran, notice the parenthesis around (guarding the unseen)
So fearing violation, it isnt very clear it could be as simple as not obeying the husband in any matter. Subject to interpretation:)
(thanks allah! )

[soy yo]

[Abudosama]

Dear Brother Adnan (Ex-Muslim)
السلام عليكم Peace be on to you

You scholarly researched:

[Spinoza]

[DoctorNO]

[Unknown 74]

[nina]

[Abudosama]

Dear Brother Orenda
in Humanity
السلام عليكم Peace be on to you

A soldier observer came and reported to his lieutanant on fieldphone,
Sir on enemy Air port I saw a 5 jets, six passenger aircrafts, two helicopter, and approximately thirty passenger boarded aircraft.

Lieutenant being commander of observation group types a situation report:
Activity seen on Enemy Air port (Matoon located at lat 16 deg long 14 deg ), 5 jets (Mig 22) , six passenger aircrafts (AN-12) , two helicopter (MI-8 ) , and approximately thirty passenger(soldiers from 202 bn located in the area) boarded aircraft (AN-12).

Who miss reported? Is it correct for a lieutenant to add his knowledge in the parenthesis because of his background knowledge of the sector? OR the lieutenant be COURT MARTIALLED? ? ? ??

You wrote

[nina]

[Kafira]

In Pakistan such type of behavior is only expected from :-
1) a street boys.
2) an out come of filthy virgin love, thrown on garbage, brought up by missionaries.
3) from person of society of third class citizens.


Abud, apparently you believe that these individuals are inferior in some way. Your examples are especially revealing of how the minds of certain Muslims become filled with prejudice, malice, and lack of common sense. In the first example you attack a class of people who are usually orphans and runaways. In the second example you attack a class of people for being born out of wedlock, abused and abandoned by their parents, then raised by people who follow a religion other than yours. In the third example, you attack people for being poor and underprivileged. Shame on you!

You claim that you have not beaten your wife because she obeys the law of Allah. What if someday your wife disobeys Allah? Can we deduce from this that you would beat her for doing so?
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[Freemind]

Isn't it hypocritical that almost everybody on this thread seems to disagree with the irrational and chauvinistic views of Mr. Abudosama but they happily agree with him on the most important thing of all? The most important thing is the only real basis of any discussion. It is his interpretation of verse 4:34.

[4:34] "The men (are) steadfast/constantly devoted ("qawamun") on the women with what The God favored some of them over some, and with what they spent from their wealth, so the righteous humble females, protecting/safekeeping to the invisible with what The God protected; and those whom you fear their breaking off/deviation, so advise them and desert them in the place of lying down (beds), and separate from them ("adribuhona"), so if they obeyed you, so do not seek on them a way, that The God was/is high, great."

The key to understanding the first part of verse 4:34 is to understand the word "Qawamun". Going strictly by the Quran, let's examine together some of the other occurrences of that word in the Quran. Please see verses such as 4:135 and 5:8 for the proper use of the word.

[4:135] "O, you those who have faith, be steadfast/constantly devoted ("qawamin") with the equitable, testifying to The God, even if against your selves, or the parents, and the close relatives, ..."

[5:8] "O, you those who have faith, be steadfast/constantly devoted to The God, testifying with the equitable, and let not a nation's enmity make you commit a crime, by you not being equitable, be equitable it is nearer to the forethought, and be forethoughtful of The God. Indeed, The God is expert with what you do."

So my interpretation is that men are to constantly be devoted on the women by providing their wives with what The God favored them with such as money/property. On the other hand, women are not required to provide their money/property to men.

I believe that the rest of the verse is self-explanatory. One word that is often misinterpreted as "beat them" is the Arabic "idribuhona". Again, a closer examination of other verses in the Quran where the word occurs can provide a more truthful explanation.

The Arabic root word "DaRaBa" can have many meanings, including separate/depart (for example see a few verses down in 4:94) and cover/separate from sight (for example see verse 24:31) in addition to the meaning of strike/beat.

The meaning of "separate" is consistent with the examples that The God provides in the Quran such as that of the wife of Lot. The God never orders Lot to beat her. In fact, Lot separates from her by leaving her behind while escaping with his family (which is exactly the last resort remedy that verse 4:34 suggests).

This forum is a typical example of what I would call Atheist Sunnism. Most people here form their opinion of Islam based on Sunni hadith-based views. Their position is hypocritical because they seem to despise Sunnis, yet they blindly accept their views about Islam and their twisted hadith-based Quran interpretations. Like most Sunnis they do not think for themselves and rationally analyze the Quran, instead they almost always have canned responses based on corrupt Sunni interpretations. As a result, it is not a coincidence that I mostly end up using the exact same arguments against Atheist Sunnis as I do against Sunnis.

Peace on who followed the guidance,

Freemind.
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"This is the book, no doubt, in it guidance for the forethoughtful" [Quran 2:2]

[adnan]

AbuDosama,
I was frank with you since we have talked before, and you are from Islamabad, a city I know well.
Anyway, if you want scholarly debate, you'll get it.

1) Hadith exist in which Mohammed beat his wife. Do you want to see that hadith?

2) Whether or not you beat your wife or not, is irrelevant to the discussion.

3) I'll be waiting for your response to Kafira's question when she asked you "would you beat your wife if didnt obey Allah?"

4) Even if your wife disobeys allah's commandments, who are you to beat her? Is she your child? Are you responsible for her sins?

5) Give a real life example or scenario in which you would be left with no choice but to beat your wife.
Please describe this scenario in detail.

Adnan
(former Muslim)
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O Muslims, Leave Islam. When Allah asks you "Why did you leave Islam?", tell him "Because, You said in Quran 2:256,'there is no compulsion in religion'."

[Orenda]

Brother AbuDosama, i am a sister.
A soldier may be rushed for time in his report, and lieutentant can compensate for this by adding parenthesis around known facts such as where the airport was located (Matoon located at lat 16 deg long 14 deg) to make it a more descriptive report.
This is all happening at the same time, and references may be cross-checked in order to ensure validity.
However, in your analogy, A lietentant has authority over the soldier, so he has right to put anything in parenthesis,
Do you have authority over Allah, and his message in quran that you may do so? and What makes you so sure this is what Allah was saying, since you were not there during Jibreel's report to Muhammed.

Regards,
Orenda

[rand]

[Crow]

"When to Beat A Women."

You expect such barbarism to be taken seriously by non muslims? I am sorry but I cannot help but laugh. ^_^

See, theres a big double standard here. Personally, I dont think domestic violence is acceptable in any case. It's simply wrong in general. But Islam gives the man permission to best his wife if she is "disobediant", while it does NOT give the woman permission to beat her husband for any reason. There is no doubt then that this is a compleate and utter double standard. Like I said, neither party should have to resort to violence in the first place. But to give one such blatant power over the other is sickening. >_<
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