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Ari
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Besides, since when Menj have you been taking "Zionist controlled western media" without a bucket of salt??? O lemme guess, when it says good things about islam, right?? |
It is not hard to recognise a Zionist-controlled media. I have already developed an acute sense of what they are whenever they apper around me. It comes with practise, my dear - and don't believe everything you read  |
Aren't you contradicting yourself then??? Then do you just believe what CNN and other western media says that Islam is the fastest growing religion?
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You must understand the term "fastest growing" is really meaningless. |
Now suddenly she does an about-turn and make a cop-out by calling the term "fastest-growing" as "meaningless". Earlier (and even below), she was tooting her horn by claiming that the Wiccans are "fastest growing". |
Meaningless because it doesn't prove anything. It can be disputed and looked at from various POVs. I know what the fastest growing religion on earth is, it's Falun Gong, in the last decade they have grown to over 100 million followers in China alone. Now imagine that, from a handful to 100 million in a decade. But what does it tell you??? Does it mean it is any truer than Islam??? (perhaps and most likely any religion is truer than Islam, but can you accept this??)
| Quote: | | BTW, I need to remind you that in the West, Muslims number about 500,000 (if my memory serves me correctly) in the 1970s. Today, it has reached millions. That's a pretty fast growth. Contrast that to Buddhism, who had a few hundred years' headstart compared to Islam, and yet where the number only reaches 330 million ALL OVER THE WORLD today. |
Read my post that said that quantity-wise islam exceeds Buddhism because islam is a mass-product intended for general population who is not so evolved in their thinking, but quality-wise Buddhism is haute couture that only a certain type of people can afford, not because it is exclusive but because its highly evolved philosophy isn't easily palatable to the mindless mass who crowd the Islamic world. But we can compare converts to islam and converts to Buddhism, which one is more desirable quality-wise???
| Quote: | The contrast? Big contrast, indeed!
Don't act as though you are "smart", and Muslims are generally "stupid". Or have you forgotten that yours truly here is "educated", as per your admission? |
You are educated, and can be smart under different circumstances, but you are too delusional to see the truth. And this is the direct result of islam plain and simple. 
Ari
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Ari
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | [quote="ultraman agul"] | Ari wrote: |
They were only repeating what the Muslim leaders said without any data to back them up. |
And your evidence for this "repetition" is...? |
Why don't you read your own link??? Duh. The source of this claim is highly dubious. One Imam uses one miraculous formula, another Imam uses another magic formula.
Ari
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: 6 reasons why Buddhism is a FAILURE! |
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is there a muslim country that has more prosperity and technology than buddhist countries like Japan, South Corea, Taiwan??
Buddhist countries can build cars, computers, electronics etc. |
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Ari wrote: |
Aren't you contradicting yourself then??? Then do you just believe what CNN and other western media says that Islam is the fastest growing religion? |
Whoever said about CNN being "Zionist-controlled"?  Biased in certain reports, maybe....but definately not influenced by the White House.
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Meaningless because it doesn't prove anything. It can be disputed and looked at from various POVs. |
It is clear to me what it means, and you very well know what it means, but you are simply too wrapped up in its semantics.
| Quote: | | I know what the fastest growing religion on earth is, it's Falun Gong, in the last decade they have grown to over 100 million followers in China alone. Now imagine that, from a handful to 100 million in a decade. But what does it tell you??? |
So people like to do tai chi movements in the morning. Big deal.
| Quote: | | Does it mean it is any truer than Islam??? (perhaps and most likely any religion is truer than Islam, but can you accept this??) |
I don't recall the Falun Gong founder ever claiming that he has founded a "new religion".
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Read my post that said that quantity-wise islam exceeds Buddhism because islam is a mass-product intended for general population who is not so evolved in their thinking |
We know that this is simply your warped understanding for what Islam is all about.
| Quote: | | But we can compare converts to islam and converts to Buddhism, which one is more desirable quality-wise??? |
Perhaps according to "your" criteria and to y"our" standards of what you want "truth" to be, but certainly we know that people who worship gold, stone or steel are no better than shamanistic worship.
| Quote: | | You are educated, and can be smart under different circumstances, but you are too delusional to see the truth. |
My education is due to Islam, alright. Islam is my raison d'etre and I am fully commited to it. Or in other words, if you admit that I am "educated", it implicitly means that you are acknowledging that Islam, as my raison d'etre, had a part in this.
- MENJ
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:17 pm Post subject: to ugul |
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you seem to know how to scrutinize,analyze, critisise other religions, why you don't have the courage to do the same to the islam??
Are you affraid allah wont let you fuck the 70 virgins in paradise?
If Allah punish you for critisising islam, blame it on me I will take the punishment for you so that you can fuck the virgins |
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Ari
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: to ugul |
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| Xinh wrote: | you seem to know how to scrutinize,analyze, critisise other religions, why you don't have the courage to do the same to the islam??
Are you affraid allah wont let you fuck the 70 virgins in paradise?
If Allah punish you for critisising islam, blame it on me I will take the punishment for you so that you can fuck the virgins |
Dear Xinh,
Welcome to the forum. I understand we sometimes can get carried away in the heat of the debate, but please refrain yourself from using too much profanity (I must say I do that too very once in a while ). I have noticed you have used the f-word with every post you made, and I think it's unecessary. This forum is outstanding for its intellectual/scholarly quality so we should maintain that the quality doesn't deteriorate into a tit-for-tat arena of mudslinging (though it has happened in numerous ocassions since Muslims generally have very twisted logic and very low treshold of self-restraint for being unable to defend Islam). We kaafirs should behave better than that, don't you agree? 
Ari
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| hahah ok man, i'll use "make love" next time |
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: 6 reasons why Buddhism is a FAILURE! |
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is there a muslim country that has more prosperity and technology than buddhist countries like Japan, South Corea, Taiwan??
Buddhist countries can build cars, computers, electronics etc. |
First of all, I certainly won't include either Japan or South Korea into the list of "Buddhist" nations. Japan is mostly Shinto, with a sprinkle of Buddhism. South Korea depends on its ancient shamanistic rituals that has nothing to do with Buddhism per se.
BTW, there IS a Muslim country that "can build cars, computers, electronics, etc.", and that country is called MALAYSIA.
Have a nice day.
- MENJ
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: to ugul |
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| Xinh wrote: | | you seem to know how to scrutinize,analyze, critisise other religions, why you don't have the courage to do the same to the islam?? |
Are you talking to me? If you are, I would prefer it if you would properly address your posts to me if I am the person intended for your posts. The name, by the way (if you insist on using my forum moniker) is "agul", not "ugul".
As for where "72 virgins" in Paradise are concerned, don't be jealous. Our Lord has promised that each Believer in Paradise will be married (key word, married) to the houri, and just because you dislike this does not make it invalid.
Have a nice day.
- MENJ
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: 6 reasons why Buddhism is a FAILURE! |
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| ultraman agul wrote: | | Xinh wrote: |
is there a muslim country that has more prosperity and technology than buddhist countries like Japan, South Corea, Taiwan??
Buddhist countries can build cars, computers, electronics etc. |
First of all, I certainly won't include either Japan or South Korea into the list of "Buddhist" nations. Japan is mostly Shinto, with a sprinkle of Buddhism. South Korea depends on its ancient shamanistic rituals that has nothing to do with Buddhism per se.
BTW, there IS a Muslim country that "can build cars, computers, electronics, etc.", and that country is called MALAYSIA.
Have a nice day.
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have you ever been to japan or corea? I have seen many budda statues and temples there. So you think they are no buddist countries?those religions there are all descendant from the teaching of buddha.
Most electronics are assembled in malaysia, and cars?? we cant buy malaysian cars here in europe, only japanese,corean, european and american cars.
You know why malaysia has more technology than other muslim countries?? because malaysia is western oriented.
can you answer this question:
you seem to know how to scrutinize,analyze, critisise other religions, why you don't have the courage to do the same to islam?? |
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: 6 reasons why Buddhism is a FAILURE! |
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have you ever been to japan or corea? |
I have been to Japan. My aunt is currently residing in Japan and speaks Japanese fluently. I have personally visited the Shinto shrines there. I have interviewed some Japanese friends about religion, and most of them admit that though their parents are "Buddhist", they themselves do not hold to any formalised teachings or religion. Any more questions?
| Quote: | | Most electronics are assembled in malaysia, and cars?? we cant buy malaysian cars here in europe, only japanese,corean, european and american cars. |
You can buy the Proton cars in the U.K. Or maybe the U.K. is not part of what you define as "Europe".
| Quote: | | You know why malaysia has more technology than other muslim countries?? because malaysia is western oriented. |
How convienient. When your challenge is answered, i.e. to name a "muslim country" which has built cars, electronics, etc. and I answered "Malaysia", the topic suddenly does an about-turn and you claim that Malaysia is "Western-oriented".
Now bring your proof if you are truthful!
| Quote: | can you answer this question:
you seem to know how to scrutinize,analyze, critisise other religions, why you don't have the courage to do the same to islam?? |
There is nothing to "criticise" in Islam, it is the complete religion.
Best regards.
- MENJ
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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ok you are right there is one muslim country that builds cars. compare to the 1.2bilion muslims that is not much.
If you are scared to criticise then there is nothign to criticise for you. |
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: 6 reasons why Buddhism is a FAILURE! |
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| ultraman agul wrote: |
and most of them admit that though their parents are "Buddhist", they themselves do not hold to any formalised teachings or religion.
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It were the parents who brought the prosperity and technology in japan, who were "buddhist".
There is no muslim country that can compete the technology of southcorea, japan or taiwan and China is on the rise.
So buddhism is no failure, there is alot of prosperity in those countries.
Cities like Tokio, Seoul,Shanghai, Hongkong are big metropolis. And Kuala lumpur can't compete them.
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2. Stiffles democracy and allows for authoritarian dictatorship
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Do we see democracy in many muslim countries?
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Allows for suicidal acts
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wassup with the suicidal bombings by muslims.
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5. Worship a piece of plastic, stone or gold - Pretty self-explanatory, methinks
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Wassup with touching the black stone in mecca? and praying in the direction of that stone?
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6. After centuries of Buddhism, it has failed to spread widely out of its bastion in Asia. You can even find ISLAM encroaching into Buddhist-majority nations without any problems, and yet you cannot find BUDDHISTS in the heartland of Arabia, where Islam was first preached.
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because islam spread with terror and fear, while buddhism spread mostly by convincing people by words.
"yet you cannot find BUDDHISTS in the heartland of Arabia,"
Can we find muslims in places where buddhism started then?
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Okay, let's put two more words: LAOS and VIETNAM.
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Wassup with SOMALIA and SUDAN. those are muslim countries too is there lotsa prosperity there?? Do they have dictators there?
or dont you arabs consider them as real muslims because they are black.?
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adnan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| ultraman agul wrote: | | There is nothing to "criticise" in Islam |
Right. Hence this and all the other sites who just keep increasing in number.
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Xinh wrote: | | ok you are right there is one muslim country that builds cars. compare to the 1.2bilion muslims that is not much. |
Doesn't matter. Your original question implies a total negation of Muslim countries that produce cars. Hence your excuses no longer matters at this point.
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If you are scared to criticise then there is nothign to criticise for you. |
If I were too "scared" to criticise in the first place, then I wouldn't be criticising other religions, would I? Think about that.
Regards.
- MENJ
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| ultraman agul wrote: |
If I were too "scared" to criticise in the first place, then I wouldn't be criticising other religions, would I? Think about that.
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It is easier to criticise or blame others than find out what is wrong with yourself. A wise man will look at hisself first before judgin or blaming others. think about that. |
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:09 am Post subject: |
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It is easier to criticise or blame others than find out what is wrong with yourself. A wise man will look at hisself first before judgin or blaming others. think about that. |
Islam has passed all my "critical tests".
Best regards.
- MENJ
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Ari
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| ultraman agul wrote: | | Xinh wrote: |
It is easier to criticise or blame others than find out what is wrong with yourself. A wise man will look at hisself first before judgin or blaming others. think about that. |
Islam has passed all my "critical tests".
Best regards.
- MENJ |
Ummmm hon, it seems that you need to improve your benchmark so you have a more rigid test. Let me suggest you one thing, how if you also include a criterion that God's prophet won't or shouldn't kill a helpless mother in her sleep or anyone for writing a poem or criticising him?
We can go further from that with a set of better and higher standards of criteria, ok?
Ari
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ultraman agul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Ari wrote: |
Ummmm hon, it seems that you need to improve your benchmark |
I wasn't aware of talking to you in the first place.
Now keep out of this amicable discussion I am having with Xinh, and answer the posts that I address to you directly. We do not need you to taint what I look forward to as a civilised, respectful dialogue.
- MENJ
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Unknown 90
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| ultraman agul wrote: |
Islam has passed all my "critical tests".
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dont take it personal but. a dumb guy dont need any tests to say that some other guy is stupid, while he isnt smarter than the other guy at all.
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: 6 reasons why Buddhism is a FAILURE! |
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| ultraman agul wrote: | | Xinh wrote: |
is there a muslim country that has more prosperity and technology than buddhist countries like Japan, South Corea, Taiwan??
Buddhist countries can build cars, computers, electronics etc. |
First of all, I certainly won't include either Japan or South Korea into the list of "Buddhist" nations. Japan is mostly Shinto, with a sprinkle of Buddhism. South Korea depends on its ancient shamanistic rituals that has nothing to do with Buddhism per se.
BTW, there IS a Muslim country that "can build cars, computers, electronics, etc.", and that country is called MALAYSIA.
Have a nice day.
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Many people in Japan today consider themselves Shintoist and Buddhist, in spite of alienation from specific Buddhist temples and Shinto shrines associated with their family. According to a 1996 report, about 194,000,000 Japanese are members of both religions, about 54% more than the total population of Japan. Apparent by these numbers, Shinto and Buddhism are not in conflict with each other but exist peacefully together.
Two major currents of religion in Japan are Buddhism, which was brought to Japan in the sixth century, and Shinto, which developed a the nation's folk religion. As of the end of 1994, there were 231,428 religious institutions, including Buddhist temples, Shinto shrines and Christian churches. Culturally, historically, and politically Buddhism has had a great influence on the Japanese mentality. Buddhism is divided into a number of sects with the major sects being Jodo Shinshu, Nichiren, and Zen. As of the end of 1994, there were over 78,000 Buddhist temples in Japan.
http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/japan/pro-religion.htm
Please, back your claims with solid evidence next time because you're looking like a total A**.
Shinto has survived in the form of traditional beliefs and customs and in such practices as individual prayers and a variety of ties and festivities. Unlike such imported systems as Buddhism and Confucianism, Shinto embodies an indigenous religion and philosophy. Under the present Constitution Shinto has no official status of any situation, however, Shinto has no official status of any kind. Statistics show that there are 117 million followers of Shinto and 90 million adherents of Buddhism in Japan. In customary practice, Shinto rites are observed to celebrate such occasions as birth and marriage, while Buddhist ceremonies are used for funerals and memorial services.
BTW, incase you're wondering, I can talk to whomever and whenever I want because my God said so. If you have a problem with that I will reach out and brake all of the bones from your fingers for typing up such lies.
Sincerely,
Mullah Mo.
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: to ugul |
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| ultraman agul wrote: | | Xinh wrote: | | you seem to know how to scrutinize,analyze, critisise other religions, why you don't have the courage to do the same to the islam?? |
Are you talking to me? If you are, I would prefer it if you would properly address your posts to me if I am the person intended for your posts. The name, by the way (if you insist on using my forum moniker) is "agul", not "ugul".
As for where "72 virgins" in Paradise are concerned, don't be jealous. Our Lord has promised that each Believer in Paradise will be married (key word, married) to the houri, and just because you dislike this does not make it invalid.
Have a nice day.
- MENJ |
My God also promised us if we treat a Muslim harshly we get 72 virgins hereafter. If we assault a Muslim we get 144 virgins. If we kill a Muslim we are offered with 500 young virgins and 144 little boys. And if we eradicate Islam altogether from the face of the earth we will live in peace here and hereafter.
Now Menj, I think there’s a better deal going on over here. Come join us now and our Lord will give you 288 virgins as a bonus but limited time offer. Our God has more virgins then Allah and promised to put him out of business.
So, what do you say Menj….. |
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