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yeezevee
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President Pervez Musharraf And The existence of God.; All the more familiar GOD GIVEN POWER IN ISLAM
http://www.dawn.com/2003/07/11/op.htm
| Quote: | The empty chair club; By F.S. Aijazuddin
Anyone in Pervez Musharraf's position would find it difficult to deny the existence of God. From the moment he boarded flight PK 805 on October 11, 1999, at Colombo airport as a dismissed chief of army staff until the moment he alighted as president of Pakistan from a US helicopter at Camp David on June 24, 2003, every action that he has taken has been as if blessed by a 'hidden hand', some higher authority.
How else can one explain the miraculous recovery he has made within three years, from his public rejection on March 25, 2000, in Islamabad by the 42nd president of the United States when Bill Clinton refused to be seen in public with him, to the unprecedented welcome on the lawns of Camp David by the 43rd President of the United States where George W. Bush described him as a "visionary and a courageous leader"? Such a turnaround in politics is something mortals can only dream about, and only divinities have the power to grant.
In the minds of his hosts, there was never any confusion about Musharraf's identity. His choice of dress did not distract them, as it had his domestic opponents. He was received everywhere for what he was - Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, in civvies. The very composition of the team he took with him - his Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz and the constitutional Houdini Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada - revealed the specificity of his agenda. He deliberately did not take any elected representative with him, not even Foreign Minister Mian Khurshid Kasuri, because he had no need for even a token symbol of democratic representation.
By allying himself unequivocally with the United States (whether he had a choice no longer matters) President Musharraf has opted for admission in a club that has a sinister record of membership. Previous members included such committed Americo-phones as Nguyen Van Thieu in South Vietnam, Dominican President General Trujillo, Filipino President Marcos, Iran's Shah Reza Pehlavi, Egypt's Anwar Sadat, Panama's Manuel Noriega, and Musharraf's predecessor as COAS and subconscious role model General M. Ziaul Haq. Each of their chairs is now empty.
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A Fool's Letter from Rawalpindi ., The Common View In Islamic World http://www.dawn.com/2003/07/16/letted.htm
Woman's status in Islam
| Quote: | This is to express my shock and consternation at the letter of Mr Zia Ahmed (June 30) offering his comments on Mrs Mahjabin Nisar's article headlined "Woman's status in Islam'.
Mrs Mahjabin has written a beautiful and well-authenticated article on the subject. It is disgraceful that fantastic insinuations have been made about the implications of her views regarding the status of women in Islam which are entirely based on the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah.
Mrs Mahjabin's article is about the status of women in Islam, which is in no way inferior to that of the menfolk. There is no doubt that their roles are different. The husband is the provider of protection and resources to the wife who is the better-half. She cannot be expected to adopt a profession to earn money when her main task is to bring up the children which is a full-time job. What will be the fate of the children if both husband and wife are away from home attending to their respective duties? It has rightly been pointed out by Mrs Mahjabin that Islam encourages women to acquire knowledge and if circumstances compel,they can also get employed.
Mr Zia has objected to the observations of the writer about the role of woman to provide man with an escape from the harshness of life, and boost his hope and honour, as reeking of the gentler sexism of the Victorian times. Does Mr Zia not realize why God had brought Eve into life after the creation of Hazrat Adam? And why do men marry women, if not for comfort, progeny and joy of life?
Mr Zia says that a woman should be allowed unhindered liberty in her thoughts, desires and dreams. He takes objection to the remarks of the writer about the vagrancies of the West and its impending demise. She was very mild and polite in using this term about the type of life and culture that is in vogue in the West. Who does not know how immoral, corrupt and depraved western societies are? Promiscuity, homosexuality, adultery, fornication, debauchery, drinking and gambling are the order of the day. Men are solemised to marry men, and unwed women give birth to children whose fathers are neither known nor acknowledged.
Mr Zia has tried to give an impression at the end of his letter that the Quaid-i-Azam envisioned a modern, progressive, pluralistic state in Pakistan with equal rights for all its citizens, which is not being advocated by Mrs Mahjabin. This is the height of deception. There is nothing in Pakistan which is discriminatory towards other citizens, least against women, to call for a change in the status of women in Pakistan, on the pattern of the so-called emancipation and liberty of the women in the West.
Islam preaches compassion, tolerance, sympathy and justice for all irrespective of sex, caste or creed. Islam offers love, protection, security and comfort to women, which no other religion or system provides. This is the message which Mrs Mahjabin has tried to convey in her article, for which we should compliment her.
AMIRYUSUF ALI KHAN; Rawalpindi |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:13 am Post subject: |
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The Word "Mujahideen" Is An Insult To the Word "Freedom Fighter"
Grenade explosion wounds 12 civilians in H-Kashmir
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(Updated at 1450 PST) from http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
HELD SRINAGAR: Suspected Mujahideen lobbed a grenade at a paramilitary truck on Saturday but missed, wounding 12 civilians in a Kashmir market, an official alleged.
A woman identified only as Zeba was critically wounded in the attack near a bus stand in Tral town, 50 kilometers (30 miles) south of Srinagar, a spokesman for the Indian Border Security Force, said.
In another attack, school teacher Mehjabeen Bano was forcibly taken from her home by unidentified men and shot at point-blank range in Mangipora village, south of Srinagar, said her father, Mohammad Shafi Mir. Bano survived the attack but was in a critical condition in a Srinagar hospital. |
What Type of Freedom Fighters are These Bastards.... Killing Women at Pointblank... Slitting Throats of women, Throwing Acids on their Faces...
And They are Named As "Mujahideen"?? What a word.. Animals are better than these Fools... Offcourse All these killings are hand work of ISLAMI Jihadiats Supported by the Army from Land of Pure In the Name of Allaha, In the name of Mr. Mohammad.. The prophet of all times...The Man who became a prophet with his monumental work of 13 years after the death of his first wife.. Going to as many wars in those years, marrying as many women in those years, writing a mannual for humanity called as 'Koran", that can not be changed for ever
Because, It Was Told To Him by The God/Allha.... In A Cave.... What a Fools, when do they start using their own brains?
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Another day another Murder; Killing of women and Christians and other minorities in the Land of Pure:
| Quote: | KARACHI: A housewife was murdered in the TPX police jurisdiction. A security guard was found dead under mysterious circumstances, while two persons died in traffic accidents on Saturday, police said.
A housewife, Zainab (32) was shot dead by unidentified killers, who murdered her after they barged into her house early on Saturday morning.
Zainab, wife of Usman Ghani, was living with her four kids and her husband was on his job. Unknown armed men entered her house in Muhammadi Colony, Azad Muhallah, shot the lady dead and fled. However, police were treating this murder, as a result of resistance during a robbery bid.
FOUND DEAD: A security guard was found shot dead under mysterious circumstances in the Gulistan-e-Jauhar police jurisdiction on Saturday, police said.
Shafqat Masih (28), a resident of Mehmoodabad was found dead with a bullet in his temple from House No R-7, Block 7, Gulistan-e-Jauhar. His body was shifted to JPMC where police insisted that this was suicide. |
from July 20, 2003 Sunday Jang
Though good friends from news paper didn't allow to publish the details of the killings ..but the gori murders of women and Christian have the signatures of Mohammadonian Islamic Jihadis..
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Fatima Jinnah did not die a physical death but was murdered
excerpts from http://frontierpost.com.pk/topstories.asp#22
| Quote: | F.P. Report ISLAMABAD: Madar-i-Milat Fatima Jinnah did not die a physical death but was murdered, Advisor to Prime Minister and prominent jurist Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada revealed here Monday. In a chat with journalists after chairing the inaugural session of the National Conference on Madar-i-Millat, organized by the National Institute of Historical and Cultural Research at a local hotel, Pirzada claimed that it was a daily routine of Miss Jinnah to lock all doors of her house and place the keys in the kitchen.
“On July 8, 1967, she slept in her room after attending a wedding ceremony of an important personality,” the renowned jurist recalled, saying her neighbours got concerned when she did not wake up. Later Begum Hidyatullah, her neighbour, broke the door and found marks of injury on her neck blood on her bed.Pirzada disclosed the matter was reported to the police but they declared she had died a physical death instead of instituting a high-level inquiry.
Then her nephew came from Mumbai to pursue the case but investigations could not be completed, the prime minister’s advisor continued. Pirzada said he did not discuss the issue at the National Conference fearing it might disturb the atmosphere. However, he promised to disclose the matter at a press conference on August 14 so that the nation knew about the murder of the Madar-i-Millat. |
Who knows, may be she was murdered. She would have lived a better life in Bombay than in the Land of Pure after her husband’s death. With Jihadi culture at its best, slitting throats of anyone is/was not a big deal for those who believe in Mohammadonian logic..
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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My Goodness, You go to the court for Justice Not to Get Killed;
But It Is The Court in Land Of Pure. Justice comes from Mullahs in the name Allaha with AK47 bullets
| Quote: | | JHANG (Online): At least three persons were killed and three others including the interior minister’s personal secretary and a parliamentarian were injured due to indiscriminate firing by an opponent party in additional session Judge’s court here on Monday morning. The incident took place when some members of Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat’s group appeared before the Additional Session Judge Jhang, Amjad Pervez at 9am for hearing of a murder case. All of a sudden the opponent party’s members started indiscriminate firing resulting in killing three persons including Muhammad Basharat, Hanif and Nazir Ahmad residents of Jhang. Three other persons including Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat’s personal secretary, Ghulam Muhammad alias GM, a former member assembly Ghazanfar Abas and Haider Ali, sustained serious injuries. The culprits managed to flee away from the scene soon after the incident. .... |
courtesy of http://frontierpost.com.pk/topstories.asp#22
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Chanakya
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Who knows, may be she was murdered. She would have lived a better life in Bombay than in the Land of Pure after her husband’s death. With Jihadi culture at its best, slitting throats of anyone is/was not a big deal for those who believe in Mohammadonian logic.. |
Yeezeevee,
Fatmah Jinnah was Jinnah sister, Jinnah lived with his unmarried sister. Jinnah's Parsi wife , i forget the name refused to migrate to Pakistan, his grandson is owner of "Bombay dying"..they have never even visited Pakistan..I read a newspaper article in which Jinnah's grandson denounced partition of India and two nation theory. |
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| Quote: | Chanakya: Yeezeevee,
Fatmah Jinnah was Jinnah sister, Jinnah lived with his unmarried sister. Jinnah's Parsi wife , i forget the name refused to migrate to Pakistan, his grandson is owner of "Bombay dying"..they have never even visited Pakistan..I read a newspaper article in which Jinnah's grandson denounced partition of India and two nation theory. |
Dear Chanakya.. Thank you for clarifying my post on Fatima..I was not clear, when I wrote "She would have lived a better life in Bombay than in the Land of Pure after her husband’s death." But let me clarify it now, When I meant after her husband's death i.e. Mr. Rutanbai death NOT Mr. Jinnah
You are right, Mrs. Fatima Jinnah was the younger sister of Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, was born in 1893. Of his seven brothers and sisters, she was the closest to the Jinnah and Jinnah became her guardian upon the death of their father in 1901.
But She was married to Rutanbai in 1918, Mr. Rutanbai(a Parsee/Hindu) died in 1929. What I meant to say was After Rutanbai's death she was better of Living in India and helping women folk of India.. She was very well educated and a dentist by profession. She could have lived in India happily, instead of going to Pakisthan along with her brother Mr. Jinnah..She had plenty of relatives and well-wishers in India even after the death of her brother in 1946. Yet she stayed back in Pakisthan until her death in 1969 in a mysterious circumstances..
Anyway thank you for the clarification..Let me see how many people can recognize this old picture, there are two prominent women from Indian subcontinent in this picture.
At the end let me add the source that you may not like, but I am certain you are very objective in your opinions without prejudice.
Read about Women in Pakistan politics
from Fatima Jinnah to Kulsoom Nawaz by Muzaffar Hussain
Read it from the RSS Magazine "organizer" http://www.organiser.org/16apr2000/dada.html
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| Chanakya wrote: | | Quote: | | Who knows, may be she was murdered. She would have lived a better life in Bombay than in the Land of Pure after her husband’s death. With Jihadi culture at its best, slitting throats of anyone is/was not a big deal for those who believe in Mohammadonian logic.. |
Yeezeevee, Fatmah Jinnah was Jinnah sister, Jinnah lived with his unmarried sister. Jinnah's Parsi wife , i forget the name refused to migrate to Pakistan, his grandson is owner of "Bombay dying"..they have never even visited Pakistan..I read a newspaper article in which Jinnah's grandson denounced partition of India and two nation theory. |
Jinnah's grandson, Nusli Wadia is a Parsi. |
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There You Go, After India and Israel now it is the turn of U. S. A. to get blamed. Our Ameer of Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam says U. S. is behind the terrorist attacks In Pakisthan/Balochistan; I wonder it is the right time for Balouch to get some breathing space from Land Of Pure.
| Quote: | UI-F blames US for terrorist attacks By Correspondent
QUETTA, July 24: Leaders of the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (Fazl), Balochistan, on Thursday alleged that the United States was behind the terrorist attacks in the province and they were carried out to create misunderstanding between the sects to accomplish its designs in the region.
Speaking at a rally organized in front of the Jamia Masjid on Thursday to denounce terrorism, they warned Balochistan governor and corps commander against implicating Ulema in the attacks and ordering raids on the Madaris saying that the government would be responsible for the consequences.
National Assembly member Maulana Noor Mohammad presided over the gathering where Balochistan Information and Local Bodies Minister Hafiz Hussain Ahmed Sharody and MPAs Abdul Rahim and Maulvi Dur Mohammad also spoke.
"America toppled the Taliban government in Afghanistan, prepared ground to overthrow the regime in Iran and pushed Iraq into crises. Now a conspiracy has been hatched to create dissension between the Sunnis and Shias in Balochistan," a speaker said. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Shut up on my uniform: Musharraf to Jamali
| Quote: | ANI[ SUNDAY, JULY 27, 2003 12:34:05 PM ]
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf has directed Prime Minister Mir Zafarrulah Khan Jamali that he himself will decide when to shed his military uniform, and there was no need for him (Jamali) to take up the issue with the Opposition.
"The President categorically refused to allow anyone to discuss the issue of his uniform with the Opposition. The President said only he would decide about taking off his uniform when he thinks appropriate," a report indicated on Sunday. Meekly submitting to the President's wish, the prime minister said he had already made public statements that the government would not discuss the uniform issue.
At the meeting held in Army House (Rawalpindi) on Saturday, the President asked the prime minister to hold talks with the Opposition on the Legal Framework Order (LFO) issue with an ‘open mind’. |
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US investigators trace Sept 11 funding to accounts in Pakistan
Associated Press Washington, August 1
| Quote: | Investigators have traced the funding for the September 11 attacks to Al-Qaeda accounts in Pakistan, a top FBI counter-terrorism official said in Washington on Thursday.
Deputy assistant director of the FBI's counter-terrorism division, John S Pistole made this revelation in his testimony to the Senate governmental affairs committee.
Pistole said that they have "traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known Al-Qaeda operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the US".
However, Pistole did not specify how those accounts in Pakistan were funded.
The FBI has estimated that the September 11 attacks cost between $175,000 and $250,000. That money, which paid for flight training, travel and other expenses, reportedly flowed to the hijackers through associates in Germany and the United Arab Emirates. Those associates reported to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who managed much of the planning for the attacks from Pakistan, US officials said.
Pistole did not discuss reports that some support for the September 11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis.
Senators also sought details on the Bush administration's efforts to crack down on Saudi charities accused of terrorism ties.
Richard Newcomb, director of the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, said that some Saudi organisations provide considerable support for terrorism. |
I hope recent donation of ~300 million$ will not go in to hands who can fund again ramming civilian planes in to commerical buildings.
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Hatred of India springs from school texts in Pakistan
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/30/MN241108.DTL
San Francisco Chronical: July 30, 2003
| Quote: | Islamabad, Pakistan -- Sohail Khan thinks he knows all he needs to know when it comes to Pakistan's larger, predominantly Hindu neighbor, India.
color=red]"Hindus cannot be trusted," the 15-year-old said firmly. "Since the day Pakistan got independence, India has been trying to destroy us any way they can with the help of other infidel nations."[/color
Dismissing renewed efforts by both countries to reconcile their bitter and bloody 55-year-long rivalry, he insisted, "Talk of peace hides a different plan that only they know." Young Khan's harsh words -- echoed widely in varying degrees by Pakistanis across the social and political spectrum -- are hardly surprising, because they are the product of a government-endorsed curriculum taught in public schools around the country.
Pakistan's madrassa (religious school) system, where ultra-conservative Muslim clerics dole out an excruciatingly narrow world view, has achieved global notoriety for producing thousands of young men dedicated to holy war. But the public school curriculum weaves in many similar concepts -- including insensitivity to other religions, militancy and the glorification of war. "Honestly speaking, there should be less fear of madrassa curricula, which is comparatively limited in scope, and more fear of the books being used in public schools," said Ahmed Salim, director of Urdu publications at Islamabad's Sustainable Policy Development Institute (SPDI).
"While President (Pervez) Musharraf has spoken passionately about the goal of a modern, tolerant, progressive Pakistan, the curriculum used is serving exactly the opposite purpose and will reflect upon his policies badly," Salim said
Public school textbooks are replete with examples.
A Muslim chauvinist view dominates the curriculum, and knowledge of Islam and the Koran is compulsory, even for non-Muslim students.
Social studies teachers in grades 1 through 5 are ordered to include units each year that instruct students in the concept and importance of jihad (holy war), and even require youngsters to deliver speeches on the subject.
The 10th-grade Pakistan studies textbook minces no words in its endorsement of Islam:
"A good person is one who leads his life according to the teachings of Allah and the Holy Prophet. He is pious and virtuous. He follows the principles and teachings of Islam individually and collectively and makes an effort to promote them. According to the teachings of Islam, a person who follows the right path is distinguished from others."
Intolerance toward other religions is often stated unequivocally.
"Hindu has always been the enemy of Islam," according to the fifth-grade Urdu textbook.
The sixth-grade social studies book, chapter 5, tells of how higher-caste Hindus have abused humanity by crushing the lower castes, and how Buddhism was eventually corrupted after it arose to challenge Hinduism. One sentence declares: "Islam preached equality, brotherhood and fraternity. The foundation of Hindu (society) was formed on injustice and cruelty."[/size
The curriculum also stresses male superiority over women, sometimes in subtle ways.
From the early grades, girls are depicted nearly exclusively in traditional roles -- such as helping their mothers in the kitchen, taught in the pages of a third-grade Urdu textbook. Rarely are they described as playing sports or having professions -- and when they are, they appear as foreigners or non- Muslims, like "Mrs. Brown," the airline hostess in the grade 8 English book.
Even famous Pakistani and/or Muslim women are cast in stereotypical roles. Fatima Jinnah, one of only a handful of women to appear in Urdu textbooks, is cited only for serving as the nurse and fervent supporter of her brother Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan.
Fatima Jinnah, in fact, was a pioneer, beginning her adult life as a dentist who founded and ran her own clinic in Bombay before abandoning the profession in the 1930s to join her brother's political fight. She set up the All India Muslim Women Students Federation in 1941 in Delhi and then formed the Women's Relief Committee in 1947 (which eventually morphed into the All Pakistan Women's Association, still active today). She later ran for president against Mohammad Ayub Khan in 1965.
[size=19]Warped accounts of history and reverence for Muslim or military figures are drilled into students' heads -- a holdover from the need after the 1947 partition to create a vision of Pakistan as a nation separate from India. The vision was then further refined by successive governments for their own political goals -- especially the military, which has ruled by force for 30 of Pakistan's 55 years of existence.
Salim says: "Throughout the formative years, children are presented with pious glorious images of the military and given numerous glorified accounts of military heroics and the respect that gains. If a child learns that violence is a positive attribute, then that child is more likely to resort to violent means in situations that don't justify the action."
Textbook depictions of the subcontinent's bloody partition, a time when 1 million people lost their lives through atrocities by both Hindu and Muslim militants, are one-sided.
A passage in the fourth-grade social studies book stresses the agony of Muslims making their way to Pakistan while glossing over the price paid by others:
"They came . . . leaving their homes, shops, agricultural, goods and beasts in India. On their way to Pakistan, a large number of immigrants were killed by the Sikhs and Hindus. They suffered a lot during their journey. At that time Sikhs and Hindus as well left Pakistan for India."
There were, in fact, enough atrocities to go around, and the textbooks omit a two-month rampage in the Pakistani military city of Rawalpindi that saw thousands of non-Muslims beaten, killed or maimed.
For most older Pakistanis, last year's riots in Gujarat, India, during which mobs of Hindus hunted down Muslims after militant Muslims torched a train carrying Hindu pilgrims, were a lamentable continuation of post- partition scarring. But students see the event as course work come to life.
"It's plain to see the Hindus can murder women and children and go unpunished, but when the Muslims stand for themselves in India, they are called terrorists," said teenager Khan.
School Principal Raifakat Hussein says that the curriculum's selective history prevents a proper understanding of events and does little to encourage self-criticism and analysis among the younger generations.
"Children need to learn the truth about the history of their country, society and government -- even if it's not all pretty and neat," said Hussein, who oversees the Montessori Primary School in the eastern city of Lahore.
Educators, psychologists, lawyers and minority representatives joined with the SPDI to study the current curriculum after its revision this spring by the Musharraf government -- which included improvements in English grammar sections, and the slight toning down of the glorification of holy war and dismissive references to non-Muslims.
Classroom priorities are centralized under the command of the Education Ministry's Curriculum Wing.
"We are constantly looking at ways to revise, reorder and update," contended Haroona Jetoi, joint education secretary of the Curriculum Wing. "Where there are problems they are addressed, and will continue to be."
But participants in the study call the recent curriculum changes "poorly defined alterations" unlikely to filter down into a mass revision of textbooks.
"Historical inaccuracies, omissions and incitement to violence remain key features," said Salim.
Some government and education officials quietly admit that most textbooks remain the same, and that many provincial-level education officials are lax or content with the status quo.
There are no plans on the table for further curriculum changes in the next five years.
And therein lies great danger, educators say.
"Children are impressionable -- they are molded by what they are taught," said principal Hussein. "If they learn intolerance and hatred at a young age, it will stay with them their whole lives.
"If we are seriously talking about peace with India, modernization and being part of the global community, how can teaching our children to hate be compatible with those goals?" |
And you expect, young Pakistanis to think about their ROOTS? They have been enrooted with Arabian sand where no tree grows, no Thinking allowed, No questions faced.... except The BOOK., The Manual That Mr, Prophet said/wrote in the HIS SPARE time his last 13 years of his life. That too he didn't spend his time preaching and enquiring about Allaha/God.. But spending his time with h young WOMEN every year(13 of the) and shoving away the suras down throat of innocent folk around him in the name of Allaha/God..And Now We have Land of pure with that Arabian Sand filled in their Brains... And NOW, the Parrots FROM THE LAND OF PURE speak..."We are culturally/RELIGIOUSLY close to Arabian Desert than the people of Indian subcontinent.." THE LOST SOULS...LOST ROOTS..
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Yohan
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Here is a story of a ‘Hindu-Muslim’ Marriage/elopement in Pakistan’s Sindh and the conflicts arising from it.
“Jacobabad's Hindu community feels insecure. "Imagine what would happen if a Muslim girl eloped with a Hindu boy," asks a citizen on condition of anonymity. "If this unfortunate incident occurred, the entire Hindu community would be brought to the pyre." Some years ago, a young girl fell in love with a Hindu youth and eloped with him. Some days later, their dead bodies were found in the Indus, near the Sukkur Barrage. “
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag7.htm |
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| yeezevee wrote: | | Now We have Land of pure with that Arabian Sand filled in their Brains... And NOW, the Parrots FROM THE LAND OF PURE speak..."We are culturally/RELIGIOUSLY close to Arabian Desert than the people of Indian subcontinent.." THE LOST SOULS...LOST ROOTS.. |
How is this any different than Hindu fanatic's claims of:
1. Aryans were the native people of India
2. Valimki was a Dalit
3. Democracy and Secularism were invented by Hindus
4. Caste system is not birth based
5. Caste laws forced on people of Kerala by the Hindu missionaries were a bunch of lies
6. And so on and on
Such people living on both sides of the border in the Indian sub-continent need to get their heads cleansed. They both are living in a cesspool of lies. |
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GO TO HINDUS IN HINDU FORUM THEY WILL DEAL WITH THAT, THEY WILL DEAL WITH YOUR 5 POINTS dear yohan...
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| yeezevee wrote: | GO TO HINDUS IN HINDU FORUM THEY WILL DEAL WITH THAT, THEY WILL DEAL WITH YOUR 5 POINTS dear yohan...
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Yohan is still in shock after finding out that Jesus was just rehashed Pagan God myth's.
Maybe his girfriends Hpyroli and II can help him out. A good body to body massage should sooth his nerves. |
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Trading With India Will Expand Pakistan's Strategic Options
By C. Raja Mohan...(is he M. K. Gandhi Grand son??)
| Quote: | THAT PAKISTAN stands to gain from trading with India is mere common sense. Since economic pragmatism has been so rare in Indo-Pakistan relations, it is indeed news when a senior Pakistani envoy makes that proposition.
Munir Akram, the Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the United Nations, is reported to have declared in front of the nation's top political leadership in Islamabad earlier this week that opening road and rail links as well as transit trade with India would significantly expand Pakistan's strategic options. ...........
It is a big intellectual leap for the Pakistani establishment to debate the "role of the foreign office" in coping with the "global economic challenges" to the nation — the subject of a conference of envoys in Islamabad this week. That the Prime Minister, Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali, attended the opening session and will join the President, Pervez Musharraf, at the closing session testifies to the importance of the occasion.
........ In the case of Pakistan, massive aid flowed from the strategic alliances it carved out with the United States and China.......
Nearly a decade ago, when India launched its economic reforms, the Foreign Office had willy-nilly to bring commerce to the center stage of its activity. India has certainly coped well; so well that the Finance Minister, Jaswant Singh, now says he will not accept foreign aid that comes in small doses. Trade is now valued more in New Delhi than aid. The External Affairs Minister, Yashwant Sinha, is promoting free trade agreements with regions as far apart as Latin America, Africa and South East Asia. The search for capital, technology and markets has become an important component of Indian diplomacy over the last decade.
In contrast, Pakistan's magnificent diplomatic obsessions in the 1990s have been Afghanistan and Kashmir — gaining strategic control over the former and risking continuous tension with India on the latter. Amidst excessive focus on these two issues, the 1990s turned out to be a lost decade for Pakistan in economic terms. For the first time in decades, India's per capita income overtook Pakistan's.
Now, Bangladesh is poised to beat Pakistan on all social and economic indicators. The foreign policy debate in Pakistan suggests that at least the diplomatic corps is beginning to speak out on the imperative of placing economics first in the national strategy.
"Dam Army Feudals Ruling the Land and Draining it All"
In essence, Mr. Akram is positing that Pakistan should exploit its unique geographic inheritance. Pakistanis are acutely conscious of their geostrategic location at the cross-roads of the Subcontinent, the Persian Gulf, and Central Asia. The history of Pakistani foreign policy is about putting geography to maximum political use. The thin strip of territory on the western fringes of the Subcontinent turned out to be a very suitable piece of real estate for the West.
The Government of Atal Bihari Vajpayee can claim with some credibility that it has been more than willing to engage Pakistan in purposeful negotiations to resolve the Kashmir question. It had even engaged in back-channel discussions with Pakistan on Kashmir in the brief interval between Mr. Vajpayee's trip to Lahore in February 1999 and the Kargil war that summer.
......Sensible elements in Pakistan know that the real threat to Pakistan does not come from two small Indian consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar. It comes from the current Indian effort to promote a trade route to Afghanistan and Central Asia through Iran. That would undermine the geographic advantage of Pakistan as a natural land bridge in the.... region.
For India, these options are not mutually exclusive. What New Delhi needs is some diplomatic finesse that combines tactical flexibility with the long term Indian interest in promoting economic integration with Pakistan. Instead of waiting to see the outcome of the very important foreign policy debate in Pakistan, India must seek to actively influence it. New Delhi has all the necessary instruments in its quiver.
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read it all at
http://www.satribune.com/archives/aug3_9_03/opinion_trading.htm
Are there any thinkers in Land of Pure? Are there any takers in land of Pure??
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Yohan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| yeezevee wrote: | | GO TO HINDUS IN HINDU FORUM THEY WILL DEAL WITH THAT, THEY WILL DEAL WITH YOUR 5 POINTS dear yohan... |
How can the Hindus alone deal with it? It is a common problem in the Indian sub-continent for both Muslims and Hindus. They both think they are somebody else! |
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Yohan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesus Christ wrote: | | yeezevee wrote: | | GO TO HINDUS IN HINDU FORUM THEY WILL DEAL WITH THAT, THEY WILL DEAL WITH YOUR 5 POINTS dear yohan...yeezevee |
Yohan is still in shock after finding out that Jesus was just rehashed Pagan God myth's.
Maybe his girfriends Hpyroli and II can help him out. A good body to body massage should sooth his nerves. |
What is this Hindu fanatic doing here parading himself as 'Jesus Christ'? I wonder if he missed the last appointment with his psychiatrist or something or ran out of pills! |
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Chanakya
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | How can the Hindus alone deal with it? It is a common problem in the Indian sub-continent for both Muslims and Hindus. They both think they are somebody else! |
Brahmins like Simblaah think they were noble infact they were low life scums, worse than animals..they had the audacity to catagorize people untouchable and abuse them..and utter mumbo jumbo to mislead the people. The followers were not allowed to cross the Ocean..now many of them are sitting in England and in North America. Sick Simblaah and Kunti, abuse Sikh Gurus for telling the truth and standing up aganist abuse of human beings fearlessly. It takes away their unearned power. |
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