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jihadjay
Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 1079 Location: JAPAN - Kansai
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:14 am Post subject: Can Buddhists be held accountable for killing someone? |
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Buddhists believe in the concept of thousands of lifes, and that karma is very important and that past deeds influence many aspects of your life.
Therefore, if a Buddhist kills someone, should he or she be made accountable for this crime? If so, why? And for what purpose?
For surely, if karma is all important, then wouldn't this person be held accountable for his/her next life; if so, what is the point of judging this person and putting him or her in prison?
For if you merely keep on coming back and being reborn, and your karma is judged by your past actions, which of course must be a bit confusing since you can live thousands of times; then what is the point of judging someone for killing someone?
For by doing this, wouldn't other Buddhists be influencing his or her next karma - for isn't redemption, forgiveness, and so forth, going to be judged by your past karma? If so, then why are Buddhists judging people, for what is the point of this futile action, for surely this action will be made accountable in your future lifes?
So can Buddhists be held accountable for killing someone?
christianjihad@hotmail.com _________________ In support of Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, and other minorities in India.
LONG LIVE CHRISTIAN NAGALAND - AND OPEN YOUR EYES TO RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION IN BUDDHIST COUNTRIES. |
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satyasevi
Joined: 17 Aug 2002 Posts: 192
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Jihadjay, you are repeating the same nonsense.
In this sense you can state why not kill Christians in order to send them to heaven earlier. So they can escape the earthly existence to enjoy the heavenly pleasures. :lol: :lol:
The killer will be rewarded to send a saved soul to heaven. May in a later phase of his life the believer will start to think and lose his faith and also his ticket to heaven. So according your theory there is no harm to kill believers. |
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Ari

Joined: 27 Aug 2002 Posts: 976 Location: New York
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| satyasevi wrote: | | Jihadjay, you are repeating the same nonsense. |
It's called INSANITY: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
So jihadjay has it all: stupid, homophobic, hypocritical, a liar, AND INSANE TOO.
Ari _________________ "Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former." -Einstein |
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jihadjay
Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 1079 Location: JAPAN - Kansai
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:19 am Post subject: Hello |
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Hello
ARI - you words are full of Buddhist enlightenment and love, thanks!!!!
You see, you just can't answer this simple question, because how can you be tried for killing someone in Buddhism? Also, how can you kill someone in Buddhism when you just keeping on coming back? Also, what is the point of punishing someone, when in a few lives later they are different people.
Also, what happens if you say kill people in four lives, but you are good in 100 lives, and then you are bad in 400 lives? Does that mean you are in constant flux?
You see, if you believe that you will pay by your karma and that you will just keep on coming back all the time, then surely you should no put people in prison for their crimes? If so, why?
SATYASEVI - these are important questions, and I notice that Buddhists do not seem to think about these questions, for the Buddhist faith is too simplistic to say the least.
How can a person be judged by his or her karma when you live thousands of times, and since you can never remember anything about your past thousands of lives, in which you may have killed people before, or tortured people, then what is the point of judging anything?
Try to answer ARI, in stead of just name calling, for I worry that your anger and name calling may make you come back lesser in your next reincarnation?
So have a nice day, well, since you have had millions already, it may not mean so much to you!!!!!
christianjihad@hotmail.com _________________ In support of Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, and other minorities in India.
LONG LIVE CHRISTIAN NAGALAND - AND OPEN YOUR EYES TO RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION IN BUDDHIST COUNTRIES. |
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Ari

Joined: 27 Aug 2002 Posts: 976 Location: New York
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Hello |
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| Quote: | [quote="jihadjay"]Hello
ARI - you words are full of Buddhist enlightenment and love, thanks!!!! |
Anytime, my dear.
| Quote: | | You see, you just can't answer this simple question, because how can you be tried for killing someone in Buddhism? Also, how can you kill someone in Buddhism when you just keeping on coming back? Also, what is the point of punishing someone, when in a few lives later they are different people. |
How can you be tried killing someone in Christianity? What is the point of punishing someone when God will punish him in the afterlife anyway? And if this killer converts to Christianity then he should be forgiven for his past sins, should he? Then why punish him in this life then when God has forgiven him?
| Quote: | Also, what happens if you say kill people in four lives, but you are good in 100 lives, and then you are bad in 400 lives? Does that mean you are in constant flux? |
Jihadjay, just keep this in mind: you reap what you sow period.
| Quote: | | You see, if you believe that you will pay by your karma and that you will just keep on coming back all the time, then surely you should no put people in prison for their crimes? If so, why? |
Then surely since God will take care anything you should not put people in prison for their crimes, no?
| Quote: | SATYASEVI - these are important questions, and I notice that Buddhists do not seem to think about these questions, for the Buddhist faith is too simplistic to say the least. |
Or you are the one who is so deranged that the question is silly and meaningless.
Ari _________________ "Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former." -Einstein |
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KuntiPutra
Joined: 08 Sep 2002 Posts: 682
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Can Buddhists be held accountable for killing someone? |
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One should study the concept of Karma carefully instead of taking a few facets of it and trying to magnify it and show it as faulty. First of Buddhism is a philosophical system and not a code of ethics or book os social mores. So if there is something like a Buddhist law in any country it means that that country created laws inspired by the Buddha. For example the Buddha says
'Hate is not overcome by hate; by Love (Metta) alone is hate appeased. This is an eternal law.'
One can be inspired by such a writing to create laws with complete love for the citizens of such a country. So Buddhism is not a religion in the proper sense like say Islam or Christianity. There is no equivalent of the Quran or Bible.
As for the instance of the person murdering another person, one should look into the matter very deeply. The person who is dealing punishment should do so without any hatred. The person who commited the murder will experience a similiar experience in his next brith so that his nature will change.
Now if the person is not held accountable he would again commit such a crime. So the authorities by dereliction of duty are incurring Karma. So a person is indeed influenced by Karma, but he does have a free will. So basically he creates his own Karma. So any person working as a judge or police should do his Dharma or face bad Karma. But he can do it with love as the below verses of Dhamma Pada indicate:
"``He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,'' in those who harbour such thoughts hatred is not appeased.
``He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,'' in those who do not harbour such thoughts hatred is appeased _________________ In the Buddhists view to have saved an ant from drowning is a greater work than to have founded an empire. There is a truth in the idea, but a truth that can easily be exaggerated.
Shri Aurobindo |
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Varanasi
Joined: 21 Aug 2002 Posts: 470
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 3:33 am Post subject: God? |
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What god is jihadjay talking about?
Either the god appears and render justice or stop talking about god at all.
This is a forum for reality not about cartoon characters, like a god OK Jihad jay ..
Stiop coming here and be a cartoon yourself with your god story, OK. |
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