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 Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: PAGAN PROPHET - SHARQI - HMM - ROSHAN |
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| jihadjay wrote: | SHARQI - JAPAN is not a Buddhist county, I know, I live in this land. The main religion in Japan is Shintoism and this is often fused with Buddhism; you do have certain Buddhist areas like Kyoto, Kayosan, Kamakura; however, Japan is secular and Shintoism is the binding fabric of society.
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Japan is a Buddhist country also. In a census conducted in Japan, about 80 or 90 % claimed to follow Shintoism and about 73% claimed to follow Buddhism. How is this possible? In Japan people follow both religions simultanously. There is not much difference between Shintoism and Buddhism in its highest form. |
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 4:11 am Post subject: HMMM |
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HMMM
SO WHAT IF I STATED "BUDDHISM INSTEAD" OF ISLAM, big deal, I have answered many people today and anyone can make mistakes.
AT LEAST I DO NOT PASTE PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY STATE - I WRITE WHAT I THINK and no need to PASTE like a child.
JAPAN LIKE YOU STATED IS 90% Shinto, and also more than 70% BUDDHIST and I did state that this was due to fusion, but SHINTO is the dominant religion and the EMPEROR OF JAPAN WAS SEEN TO BEING LIKE A LIVING SHINTO DIETY IN THE PAST.
AND PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY REVOLUTIONISED THE WORLD VIA SCIENCE, CAPITALISM, INNOVATION, INDIVIDUALISM, and it is rare to find a poor Protestant country.
NEARLY EVERY BUDDHIST NATION IS POOR - simple.
USA LAOS
GERMANY MYANMAR
UK SRI LANKA
FRANCE CAMBODIA
ITALY VIETNAM
AUSTRALIA BHUTAN
YES, it is the mainly CHRISTIAN NATIONS WHICH ARE WEALTHY and the economies of most Buddhist nations are weak and poor.
HMMM - just keep on pasting like a child.
I NOTICE HOW YOU IGNORE ANYTHING POSITIVE and you have a nice HINDU agenda - THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
NOTICE HOW I DO NOT GO AROUND REBUKING THE SAME PERSON FOR THE SAKE OF IT
AND IF I TALK ABOUT ISLAM, BUDDHISM, or anything - THE HINDUS TURN IT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT ANTI-CHRISTIAN COMMENTS ALL THE TIME.
JESUS WAS BORN A REFUGEE
JESUS NEVER HAD AN ARMY
JESUS SAVED THE PROSTITUTE
JESUS NEVER KILLED ANYONE or told people to kill anyone
JESUS HAD NO MATERIAL WEALTH
JESUS WAS PURE AND JUST TAUGHT LOVE
JESUS HELPED THE POOR
JESUS EVEN FORGAVE WHEN DYING
YOUR ANTI-CHRISTIAN AGENDA IS NOT MY PROBLEM - IT IS YOURS.
THE PROTESTANT RELIGION CHANGED NATIONS IN THE WEST DUE TO CHALLENGING ALL KNOWN WISDOMS.
LONG LIVE CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM IN INDIA
LONG LIVE RELIGIIOUS DIVERSITY IN THE WEST
AND IN MYANMAR BUDDHISTS HAVE KILLED BOTH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS
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| Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Jihadjay, why did you keep twisting the history? Please study the history of China in detail first before you give comments about Taiping Rebellion:
http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/modern2.html#taiping
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Now, I have stated already that the TAIPING REBELLION was defeated due to the British and French supporting the Confucian and Buddhist elite - and millions of Christians were killed, yet you omit this, don't you!
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Firstly, the civil war WAS NOT about ideology conflicts of Confucian vs Chiristians. But more due to the tremendous discontentment of Han people against Manchu regime, another ethnic group from North Eastern China.
The Taiping Rebellion just happened to be the first, largest organized rebel of Han people to overthrow Manchu regime. OK, maybe Hong Xiu Quan had a noble dream to develop a legendary Christian state in China. But the Qing/Manchu regime didn't care much about this and just regarded it as one of numerous revolts of Han people against Qing.
Before that, millions and millions of Han people had been killed in revolts (heard about Revolt of 3 Feudatories, Triad Society and Red Lotus Sect?) when Manchu people invaded and controlled the country. Even thousands of Confucius scholars were persecuted for their allegedly discontentious writings. Do you know that even Confucianism as well as other schools of thought had suffered from stagnancy due to Qing's totalitarian and despotic rule?
The Manchu regime would not care if they were Christians of Buddhists or whatever going against them. The slauthering of Taiping Rebellion members would still happen even if Hong Xiu Quan and his followers were Buddhists or Taoists or other.
Therefore, it is wrong and baseless to say that Taiping Rebellion was about Buddhist/Confucian elites against Christians. It was nothing but an organized revolt against Qing regime due to widespread anti-Manchu sentiments.
It is also very wrong to imply that millions of Christians were killed after the rebels were defeated. Actually the Chinese people (including peasants, Taiping rebels, governemnt troops, NOT ONLY christians) were mostly died DURING the rebellion warfare which lasted for nearly 20 years before the revolt was crushed. There is no evident of Han christians, which were not related to Taiping, being persecuted after the revolt. |
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Thanks for catching him red handed. He is doing exactly the same thing with history of India and other parts of world .....but doing a very lousy job at it.....interpolating theological innuendoes into secular conflicts.....
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:56 am Post subject: No_to_ISLAM and PAGAN PROPHET |
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No_to_Islam
TAIPING REBELLION - you remain silent when ROSHAN states 20 million people were killed by CHRISTIAN REBELLION - such hypocrisy!
I also mentioned the Islamic uprising and Communist, it was ROSHAN who brought this singular event and focused on Christians killing 20 million during the TAIPING REBELLION.
AND notice your word "ok" with regards to it being a Christian uprising - and the CHRISTIAN TAIPING REBELLION abolished slavery, foot binding, judicial torture, selling children, which of course the nice BUDDHISTS, CONFUCIANISTS, AND TAOISTS DID not do in the previous 2,000 years.
AND YES THE TAIPING REBELLION WAS ABOUT EVIL AND CORRUPT BUDDHIST AND CONFUCIAN ELITES WHO DESIRED TO KEEP THE PEOPLE DOWNTRODDEN - for did these elites desire to abolish slavery?
HMMM - PAGAN PROPHET and others
AND THE CHRISTIAN BACKWARDNESS IS JUST ANSWERS BY RETARDS who can not face reality that the West is prosperous while Buddhist and Hindu societies are overwhelmingly backward and poor.
CHRSTIANS IN EUROPE FACED THE THREAT OF BOTH PAGANS AND MUSLIMS - ARABS, BERBERS, and the OTTOMANS up until the 16th and 17th century (applies to Turks) threatened to destroy Christianity.
While Pagan armies often tried to eradicate the Christian faith at the same time - and this did not fully end until the Mongol invasions around the 13th century was defeated (the century may be wrong, but near this date)
SO IF HINUDS BLAME ISLAM FOR HOLDING INDIA BACK - then it is clear that Christianity in EUROPE WAS THREATENED by both ISLAM and PAGANISM until the 16th and 17th century - and the Ottomans maintained control over the Balkans in the 19th century and enslaved 200,000 Armenians in 1915 after killing more than 1.8 million Armenian and Assyrian Christians.
While Christianity in the Levant and North Africa was eradicated by Islam, and only small dhimmi communities remained.
And the Ethiopians were forced by tides of Islamic armies and the Nubian Christian Kingdom was Islamized.
SO IF YOU WANT TO STUDY THE GEOPOLOTICS OF THE REGIONS OF CHRISTIANITY then do so. BUT DO NOT THINK THAT CHRISTIANS HAD IT EASY IN EUROPE, NORTH AFRICA and the LEVANT - if you do, you are all complete idiots.
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roshan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 5:19 am Post subject: |
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india is backard because our resources and wealth was stolen by the christians.
before colonization india was the most advanced nation.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:35 am Post subject: Re: No_to_ISLAM and PAGAN PROPHET |
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Jihadjay, twisting, twisting and keep twisting the history. When people show you with hard facts, you just hide and duck and try cheap tricks to divert people focus. This is an example:
| jihadjay wrote: | | TAIPING REBELLION - you remain silent when ROSHAN states 20 million people were killed by CHRISTIAN REBELLION - such hypocrisy! |
I remained silent for most of the time under this topic because it is under Buddhism and this is not the main theme of this forum. Don't you understand about the main theme of this forum first before you joined?
I focus on you because I could not ACCEPT ANYMORE your style of twistng and lying about history for your own agenda, especially regarding history of China which I am quite familiar with. I defy people like Menj and now including you who have no respect to history and use it for your own agenda. That's the reason I ONLY responded to your posts recently under several topics, regarding ONLY to China history.
You can call me hypocrite or whatever by 'remaining silent'. Don't you know this is an 'Internet Forum' and people are free to post whenever and whatever they like?
Where are you Christian/Muslim fellows then when Roshan stated wrongly about Taiping Rebellion? Remained silent? Too stupid to answer? Or are they too shameful on you and hardly willing to help you on this? You see, you can intepret whatever you want when people don't reply to the posts, and this just shows your sheer ignorance about Internet Forum.
For me, I won't think of all these, and just stay focus on the discussion between you and me -----STAY FOCUS, that's what you are unable to do so far. When I provided facts with reference to counter your lie, again you ducked and come out with more and more useless arguments.
| jihadjay wrote: | | AND notice your word "ok" with regards to it being a Christian uprising - and the CHRISTIAN TAIPING REBELLION abolished slavery, foot binding, judicial torture, selling children, which of course the nice BUDDHISTS, CONFUCIANISTS, AND TAOISTS DID not do in the previous 2,000 years. |
See your cheap trick now? You try to imply that I am not against slavery, foot binding, etc... Did I say I am supporting these in my post? Don't be foolish by accusing people for nothing, members of the forum know what you have written and what I have replied. Trying to shift the focus of discussion by ad hominem again?
What's wrong when I say ok? Did you really read my post? The 'ok' is regarding to the mindset of Manchu at that time. For them, they didn't care if you are Buddhists, Taoists or Christians or whatever who revolt against them. For them, a revolt is a revolt. A high school student who has studied China history will know what was the fate of a Han rebel against Manchu regime, no matter he is Christian, Buddhist, Confucian........
At least I acknoledge Hong Xiu Quan struggle by saying that it was a "noble belief". What did you say about millions of millions of Han people who had died before and after that? Remained silent? Only the Chritians worthy to be noted? Can I say you are HYPOCRITE or even INHUMANE too on this?
| jihadjay wrote: | | AND YES THE TAIPING REBELLION WAS ABOUT EVIL AND CORRUPT BUDDHIST AND CONFUCIAN ELITES WHO DESIRED TO KEEP THE PEOPLE DOWNTRODDEN - for did these elites desire to abolish slavery? |
This is your baseless argument or cheap lie which has been easily refuted by previous post. You keep repeating your cheap lie without giving any evident.
I forgot to tell you that (or you purposely ignore it?) the leaders of Taiping rebellion had become as corrupted as the Manchu regime and many of them killed each other out of PURE human lust and greediness. This was one of the reason why the Taiping rebellion could be defeated easily at the ending stage of the warfare.
http://chaponsky.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$18
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.....Internal conflict between the leaders led to a coup d’etat where four of Hung’s assistants were assassinated....... |
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CHING/TAIPING.HTM
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.....he plunged into the sensual pleasures of the palace and the sexual pleasures of the harem of women he had collected around hims..... |
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0847654.html
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...The Taipings, weakened by strategic blunders and internal dissension, were finally defeated... |
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| Pagan Prophet wrote: | | Thanks for catching him red handed. He is doing exactly the same thing with history of India and other parts of world .....but doing a very lousy job at it.....interpolating theological innuendoes into secular conflicts..... |
You are welcome. I am just trying my best to expose his lies so that the forum members could judge on the credibility of his arguments. |
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:53 pm Post subject: No_to_islam |
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No_to_islam - keep it up, you are only trying to convince yourself and Hindu nationalists.
You have an anti-Christian and anti-Muslim agenda, like other people in this place - well it will not work with me.
TAIPING REBELLION WAS DEFEATED DUE TO DIVIDE AND RULE - and both the British and French colonial elites supported this - So now No_to_Islam is supporting British and French Imperialism - you have no shame?
No_to_islam denied women being raped in China in the past and thousands today - I have put two websites on for you, yet No_to_Islam calls this "dirty tricks."
No_to_Islam equates abortion with the millions of baby girls who have been aborted - YOU SEE NO_TO_ISLAM is twisted and just hates Islam and Christianity - AND ALL PEOPLE IN THIS PLACE WILL MOCK YOU FOR EQUATING ABORTION WITH THE MILLIONS OF GIRLS WHO HAVE BEEN ABORTED JUST FOR BEING FEMALE IN CHINA AND INDIA.
Abortion is another issue, in the West it is not based on gender, unlike India and China.
I happen to think that females and males are equal - YOU DON'T obviously, for this statement by you would shame most normal people, wouldn't it?
No_to_Islam states the Japanese Imperial Army did not do this due to Buddhism and Shinto - QUOTES
ZEN MASTER HARADA DAUIN - "The unity of Zen and war . . .extends to the farthest reaches of the holy war, now under way.
"Warriors who sacrifice their lives for the Emperor will not die. They will live for ever."
ZEN MASTER SEKI SEISETSU - prior to the Nanking genocide on national radio he calls for the "extermination of red devils."
JAPAN LOST THE WAR - so you will not know what Japan will have done under militant ZEN BUDDHISM and SHINTO - but given the treatment of Asians it is clear it would not have been nice.
OF COURSE No_to_Islam in her/his dreamworld will deny this - for others please either buy the book by Brian Wilson or check the following:
http://www.darkzen.com/Articles/zenholy.htm
Book - ZEN at WAR by Brian Victoria - Weatherhill Press, 1997.
The Rape of Nanking: The forgotten Holocaust of World War 2, Iris Chang.
NOTICE HOW HINDU ZEALOTS, PAGANS, BUDDHISTS, and atheists get so upset - FOR THEY ALL LIKE TO BLAME CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS FOR EVERYTHING.
Nearly all my topics end up with the usual anti-Christian brigade who are in a dreamland.
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SO TO THE IDIOTS IN THIS PLACE, and note No_to_Islam comes under this, - BUDDHIST LAOS, BHUTAN, SRI LANKA, CAMBODIA, VIETNAM, MYANMAR ARE ALL ECONOMIC POWERS and the West is poor - LMAO.
TO ALL NORMAL HUMANS IT IS CLEAR THAT THE MAINLY CHRISTIAN WEST IS MUCH WEALTHIER THAN BUDDHIST SOCIETIES - and that unlike the West in which religious persecution does not happen - these same mainly Buddhist societies persecute Christian and Muslim minorities.
NOW THIS WAS THE THEME OF MY DEBATE until the anti-Christian brigade once more changed the topic.
I WONDER WHY?
THE MORE HINDUS, PAGANS, and BUDDHISTS attack Christianity, the more I will rebuke you.
I "will not turn the other cheek" -
For Muslims are killing Christians; and Buddhists are killing Christians and persecuting them in Myanmar, Bhutan, Cambodia, Loas, and so on.
While Naga Chrisitans in Nagaland have been massacred in the past by Hindus.
THE WEST SUPPORTS ALL RELIGIONS AND ATHEISM
THE ISLAMIC AND BUDDHIST WORLD PERSECUTES CHRISTIANS
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roshan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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hindus arent killing naga christians. naga christians are killing the minority naga hindus.
as for abortion, so what? americans abort 1.2 million babies per year.
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:28 am Post subject: ROSHAN |
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ROSHAN "so what" is your words with regards to females being aborted due to being girls.
I thought you stated Hinduism was based on peace, I am sure you do not mean it to sound like it does.
For surely a baby girl and baby boy are equal?
THE INDIAN ARMY IS IN NAGALAND - and many have been killed. |
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no nagas have been killed by the govt.
my so what is there to point that many more abbies are being killed in america than in india and america has only one fourth our population.
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| Quote: | | ROSHAN "so what" is your words with regards to females being aborted due to being girls. |
Do you know why this practice of female infanticide is occurring, Lee Jay Walker of Manchester??
Hindus abort females so they dont have to pay dowry later on, but how did this form of dowry come about? Its directly because of British rule.
Dowry Murder: The Imperial Origins of a Cultural Crime
by Veena Talwar Oldenburg
| Quote: | | The Hindu custom of dowry has long been blamed for the murder of wives and female infants in India. In this highly provocative book, Veena Oldenburg argues that these killings are neither about dowry nor reflective of an Indian culture or caste system that encourages violence against women. Rather, such killings can be traced directly to the influences of the British colonial era. In the precolonial period, dowry was an institution managed by women, for women, to enable them to establish their status and have recourse in an emergency. As a consequence of the massive economic and societal upheaval brought on by British rule, womens entitlements to the precious resources obtained from land were erased and their control of the system diminished, ultimately resulting in a devaluing of their very lives. Taking us on a journey into the colonial Punjab,Veena Oldenburg skillfully follows the paper trail left by British bureaucrats to indict them for interpreting these crimes against women as the inherent defects of Hindu caste culture. The British, Oldenburg claims, publicized their "civilizing mission" and blamed the caste system in order to cover up the devastation their own agrarian policies had wrought on the Indian countryside. A forceful demystification of contemporary bride burning concludes this remarkably original book. Deploying her own experiences and memories and her research at a women's shelter with "dowry cases" for almost a year in the mid-eighties, the author looks at the contemporary violence against wives and daughters-in-law in modern India. Oldenburg seamlessly weaves the contemporary with the historical, the personal with the political, and strips the layers of exoticism off an ancient practice to show how an invaluable safety net was twisted into a deadly noose. She brings us startlingly close to the worsening treatment of modern Indian women as she challenges us to rethink basic assumptions about womens human and economic rights. Combining rigorous research with impassioned analysis and a nuanced treatment of a complex, deeply controversial subject, this book critiques colonialism while holding a mirror to gender discrimination in modern India. |
And a more in depth summary from Rajiv Malhotra.
| Quote: | | In Veena Oldenburg's excellent new book, "Dowry Murder", she explains the history of the Brits blaming native culture for every crime. This was central to their colonizing strategy. She explains how today's dowry extortion can be traced back to new laws enacted by the Brits on Divali day, 1835, in which women in Punjab and other places lost property rights. To make these new laws, the Brits gathered many local leaders, all men, and in order to spare them of personal crimes they could be charged with, they had to stand up and blame everything on their culture. ";My culture makes us do these evil things,"is what each of them went on the record saying. This testimony gave the premise for condemning the culture, and making legal changes. These changes served to further the sale of British goods in India at the expense of local ones and also to enhance tax collection. Veena Oldenburg, whose husband, Phillip Oldenburg, heads the South Asian Studies at Columbia University, explains how the laws were changed for the British to extort from the natives, how this was done by blaming native culture, how they positioned themselves as saviors of primitive practices, and how these laws and cultural norms got out of hand to turn into today's nightmare. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 1:00 am Post subject: JYOTI |
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JYOTI - it is remarkeable how HINDUS blame everything on the British or Muslims.
Guess what, the dowry is not apart of British culture and it could not implement something it had little knowledge of. Also, the British were few in numbers and could not possibly dictate to society like this.
It is mere "blame culture" and it will not work with me. In China the Confucianist began a practice of foot binding, this was also barbaric, while in Japan, it was common to kill your parents in parts if you were low on food, - many negative things happened in many societies and cultures, and in all parts of the world - the blame of Indian backwardness belongs to Indians and not Christians.
While it could be argued that Buddhist nations and Islamic nations are mainly despotic and poor; but Hinduism due to its new dynamic is democratic and that Musilms and Buddhists should be asking the same question. Why is India democratic and developing, while they stay backward?
2002 - Christianity 3% in Indian (some think higher)
15% of education and health care is provided by Christians. Yet HINDU nationalists want to blame everything on others - if the Indians wanted to repulse the British, or fight in many parts of India, then the British would have been kicked out - yet many Indians sided against their own people.
Getting back to the point, it would appear that Buddhism holds back progress?
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roshan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 1:08 am Post subject: |
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actually the british made a lot of laws, it was the brtish who created the law that women cannot own property in india. british did a lot of other stupid things like banning daning, martial arts, and even banning smallpox inoculation.
of course christians provide health care.... how else will they bribe ohers to become christian?
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jihadjay
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 5:15 am Post subject: ROSHAN |
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ROSHAN - I do not doubt for one minute that the British will have done bad things; remember the British elite abolished slavery before they abolished child slavery in Britain.
Yet they will have done some positive things, however, in general these British elites looked down on everyone, including Indians and working-class British people.
I have stated before that the Indian government is indeed dynamic with regards to the region; for India is democratic and if you look at the backward Muslim and Buddhist neighbours who just desire despotism; then the Indian government should be proud of her record overall.
With regards to Christians in India they do a lot of good work, and not all are just missionaries - I myself do not like outright missionaries, yet Christianity is a global religion and your Hindu faith is welcome in the West - so it works both ways.
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christianity is welcome in india.... but they are abusing our hospitality by bribing people to convert and terrorising hindus where they have become a majority.
british never abolished slavery. they just gave it differrent names such as "indentured labor".
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| Quote: | JYOTI - it is remarkeable how HINDUS blame everything on the British or Muslims.
Guess what, the dowry is not apart of British culture and it could not implement something it had little knowledge of. Also, the British were few in numbers and could not possibly dictate to society like this. |
Of course dowry is not apart of British culture. If you had cared to read my post, youll see that the British changed the laws to take property rights away from Hindu women. This resulted in the control of Dowry being taken out of the Hands of hindu women. This is what led to today's problems. Its all recorded BY THE BRITISH. THis lady Oldenburg is using British records.
| Quote: | | 15% of education and health care is provided by Christians. Yet HINDU nationalists want to blame everything on others - if the Indians wanted to repulse the British, or fight in many parts of India, then the British would have been kicked out - yet many Indians sided against their own people. |
-Christians provide this because money comes in from the west. Also, Hindu religious institutions have to pay heavy taxes to the government, so they cant use their money for these institutions. CHristian institutions dont pay taxes and are actually given funds from the government.
- as for traitors, THe main thing to know is the British education system created 'sepoys' who were detached from Indian values. And thus they were more likely to side with England.
Also, the British came at tthe right time, to a nation a bit fatigued after 700 years of fighting the Muslims.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 1:19 am Post subject: JYOTI - ROSHAN |
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JYOTI - ROSHAN
JYOTI - fair comment, and I support most of what you say. I also think that the Indian government should be proud of their record since democracy.
INDIA - is a beacon of light in a despotic Buddhist and Islamic surrounding region. INDEED, it is strange, that Buddhism and Islam which are based on equality; unlike Hinduism and the caste system; are backward and deny religious freedom.
Yet INDIA under the HINDU MAJORITY allow religious freedom and the nation is democratic - THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT IS ALSO TACKLING NEGATIVE FACTORS WITHIN HINDU CULTURE (all cultures have negative factors, so I am not being anti-Hindu) and the INDIAN GOVERNMENT have done a lot to bring dalits into mainstream society and government - INDEED THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION IS MORE ENLIGHTENED THAN THE UK AND USA in this matter - for poor dalits can reach all levels of government.
In surrounding Buddhist and Islamic nations it is clear that elites preserve their wealth and deny liberty and freedom.
I TRIED TO MAKE THIS POINT - yet all I got was constate anti-Christian abuse on every topic, even when this topic had nothing to do with Christianity.
SO PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASKING ONE CLEAR QUESTION - the Jews have a democratic nation surrounded by despotic Muslim nations (Lebanon mixed).
HINDUS have a democratic nation surrounded by undemocratic and corrupt Buddhist and Islamic societies.
SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT HINDUISM, DUE TO BEING OPEN TO MANY THOUGHTS, CAN ADAPT TO CHANGES QUICKLY - while Islamic and Buddhist societies find it hard to change due to dogma?
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jihadjay
Joined: 27 Nov 2002
Posts: 1079
Location: JAPAN - Kansai
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:47 am Post subject: No_to_Islam |
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No_to_islam - I am not interested in your "dirty tricks" comments and so on.
Anyone can check the section under women with regards to persecution in non-Muslim nations.
It is obvious what you think, so, no point!!!!!!!
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Varanasi
Joined: 21 Aug 2002
Posts: 470
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| Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:36 am Post subject: Truth to Power |
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Instead of worrying over Buddhism you might as well stop child abuse in your christian church now.
http://www.sttop.org/
At the same time tell us all about the Spanish inquisition, the Salem Witch hunt and the killing of aborigines of Australia and theMaoris of New Zealand by the Christian white man.
Where is the church concerning the human rights of the Aztecs and the Australian aborigines and the Maoris of NZ.
To save the world do not be a Christian. The church condones colonisation and child molestation.
The church saves itself and not you.
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