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Shariq Jamal · Joined: 02 Sep 2002 Posts: 128

Of all the world's greatest men none has been so much maligned as Muhammad. It is easy to see how this has come about. For centuries Islam was the great enemy of Christendom, for Christendom was in direct contact with no other organized states comparable in power to the Muslims. The Byzantine empire, after losing its provinces in Syria and Egypt, was being attacked in Asia Minor, while Western Europe was threatened through Spain and Sicily. Even before the Crusades focused attention on the expulsion of the Sarcens from the Holy Land, medieval war-propaganda, free from the restraints of factuality was building up a conception of 'the great enemy'. At one point Muhammad was transformed into Mahound, the prince of darkness. By the eleventh century the idea about Islam and Muslims current in the crusading armies were such travesties that they had a bad effect on morale. The crusaders had been led to expect the worst of their enemies, and, when they found many chivalrous knights among them, they were filled with distrust for the authorities of their own religion.

Orientalist W Montgomery Watt

W Montgomery Watt, Muhammad At Medina: 1956, Oxford At The Clarendon Press, pp. 324.

I wish some of the people on this board would read this view about the Holy Prophet. Perhaps they will do a re-think on some of the abuse they heap on him.

thinker · Joined: 31 May 2002 Posts: 260

"At one point Muhammad was transformed into Mahound, the prince of darkness. "
Prince of Darkness wrote the Book Of Evil, Quran that brought doom to humanity.

Susan · Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Posts: 2727 Location: none

Robert · Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 554 Location: Germany

"Oh, just look how beautiful the emperor Mohammed's clothes are..."
Twisted Evil

When will this rubbish finally stop?

Islam is the only religion the owner of which has already used violence in order to spread it.

Islam is the only religion that teaches that using offensive violence in order to spread one's fatih is ethically and morally good.

Islam is the only religion the followers of which are even proud of having it spread by violence.

If you'd talk about Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, to a certain extent even Confuciacnism - all of those I highly respect, and I even consider them to be superior to Christianity in some respect.

But Islam? NO! Evil or Very Mad

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"Le premier prophète fut le premier fripon qui rencontra un imbécile." -

"The first prophet was the first crook who met a sucker."

Voltaire (1694-1778)

Shariq Jamal · Joined: 02 Sep 2002 Posts: 128

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rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

I think many muslims are ethical, but have not seriously studied Islam, and they impose their own ethics onto the text. When reading a text, it is important to listen what the author is trying to say, to fully comprehend the message of the author(s).
Imagine you never have read the hadeets below, and I tried to introduce you to my friend who I told you wrote these following verses, would you be happy to meet him? Would you think that the author of these verses had even average character? Would you think that these verses must be divinely inspired by an alll-merciful, all-forgiving God? Be honest.

menj · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 9:33 pm Post subject: Muhammad PBUH - Most Maligned

fbagner · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 10:13 pm Post subject:

menj,

If I were to tell you that a god spoke to me, and then I wrote a book on it, would you believe me, and my religion? What would it take for me to be your prophet?

FB

Shariq Jamal · Joined: 02 Sep 2002 Posts: 128

Shariq Jamal · Joined: 02 Sep 2002 Posts: 128

asm · Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 150 Location: India

menj · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 11:47 pm Post subject: Muhammad PBUH - Most Maligned

Wa Alaykum Salaam, Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh;

My dearest Brother in Islam,

menj · Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 11:49 pm Post subject:

rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

Shariq wrote:

rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

In the Price of Honor by Jan Goodwin, she explains the law of Zina (sex out of wedlock) in some Muslim countries such as Pakistan. If a woman is raped she needs four Muslim males of good repute to report that she was raped. If they report it, they are then not considered to be of good repute or they would have stopped it. If the woman admits to being raped, then she is guilty and charged with Zina, but there is no evidence that she was raped so the rapists go free.
Given that Mohammad was one person and further he did not have good repute given all his criminal acts, why should we accept his testimony that the Koran is the word of God? But this case is even worse, as he tells of a story whose witness was a man that did not buy into it. Imagine if I went to a court and claimed that 100 people witnessed what I claim, but I don't mention their names or bring them to court, would any court accept that as evidence?
I maintain that such a verse is not written by Allah. I claim that since it uses the term "We" it is written by a polytheist and that believing in this story could lead to burning in hell according to other verses in the Quran.

rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

Menj wrote: