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Cleopatra
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just_me
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 Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2002 10:06 pm Post subject: Muslims in The America's before Columbus |
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Salina
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That's nothing, I've been told that Adam and Ever were both Muslims.  |
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Ali Sina
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| Quote: | | Numerous evidence suggests that Muslims from Spain and West Africa arrived in the Americas at least five centuries before Co1umbus. It is recorded, for example that in the mid-tenth century during the rule of the Umayyad Caliph Abdul-Rahman III (929-961), Muslims of African origin sailed westward from the Spanish port of Delba (Palos) into the "Ocean of darkness an fog." They returned after a long absence with much booty from a "strange and curious land." It is evident that people of Muslim origin are known to have accompanied Columbus and subsequent Spanish explorers to the New World. |
Even if this happend what it has to do with Islam? Isn't it pathetic that Muslims try to take credit for Islam for whatever a Muslim does? Did any Christian ever bragged about Columbus discovering America trying to prove the greatness of Christianity?
Another interesting feature of this story is bringing back the booty. Well, as long as you are a Muslim you do what a Muslim is supposed to do. Kill people and bring booty.
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Robert
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From the link:
| Quote: | The case that can be made for trans-Atlantic voyages by medieval Irish monks is a reasonable one. We know that Ireland was the centre for a vigorous culture during the fifth and sixth centuries CE, preserving Christian civilization in Northern Europe after the decline and collapse of the Roman Empire. During this period, Irish monks ventured out into the North Atlantic in pursuit of some kind of spiritual or divine mission. They reached the Hebrides, Orkneys, and Faeroe Islands. The Norse sagas suggest that Irish monks were even in Iceland when the Norse settled there after about 870 CE (though no archaeological evidence has yet confirmed this).
Such accomplishments add authenticity to the story of St. Brendan, who was born in Ireland about 489 and founded a monastery at Clonfert, Galway. According to legend, he was in his seventies when he and 17 other monks set out on a westward voyage in a curragh, a wood-framed boat covered in sewn ox-hides. The monks sailed about the North Atlantic for seven years, according to details set down in the Navigatio Sancti Brendani Abbatis in the tenth century.
Eventually, they reached "the Land of Promise of the Saints," which they explored before returning home with fruit and precious stones found there. Had Brendan reached Newfoundland, using the islands of the North Atlantic as stepping-stones? In 1976 and 1977, the adventurer Tim Severin demonstrated that such a voyage was possible by building the Brendan, a replica of a curragh, and sailing it to Newfoundland. If Irish monks did voyage across the Atlantic and back, then their achievement was historically very significant, for Ireland was the target of Viking raids before the end of the eighth century, and it is perhaps through the Irish that the Norsemen learned about other lands further to the west. |
I still can't see any pro-christian propaganda here.
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It's simply something ineteresting
That not many know about that's all. North American history textbooks haven't mentioned this ever, and I've read a lot of them.
Mr. Ali Sina, I'm not tryign to take any credit for your information.
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| Quote: | | Cleopatra: It's simply something ineteresting, Muslims CAME TO The America's before Columbus |
And I wonder why America is not an ISLAMIC country? Stupid Americans. They talk too much about freedom, freedom of individuals and freedom of religion. Even though Muslims landed in America before Columbus, after so many years the dumb Americans know nothing about Mohammed preaching. It is high time to start teaching Quran using loud speakers from every corner of every city as we do it in LAND OF PURE. |
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Daryll Harber
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| Quote: | | It is evident that people of Muslim origin are known to have accompanied Columbus and subsequent Spanish explorers to the New World. |
And people of "Muslim origin" were all ultimately of NON-Muslim origin. |
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| Quote: | | Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the northeast coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on the top of a beautiful mountain. The ruins of mosques and minarets with inscriptions of Qur'anic verses have been discovered in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada. |
Cleo, none of this has been proven. It's all based on conjecture with a healthy dose of Islamic propaganda thrown in (the site you got it from is, after all, an Islamic dawah site). That's why it's not taught in US history classes. Chrisopher Columbus is one of the most biographied people in the history of the world. Don't you think if he really saw "a mosque" on top of a mountain in Cuba, we'd know about it? It was probably an Indian temple if anything at all.
There are a lot of articles out there claiming that the American Indians were Muslims and they are all unprovable crap. It's a fact that most Native Americans practiced traditional tribal religions and some of them were -- horrible, the worse thing you can be according to the Quran -- POLYTHEISTS.
You know that in the history of India the Muslim would often choose some site that was sacred to Hindus and make up a story about how it was originally a "Muslim" site so they could steal it from the Hindus?
And that they also made up a story about how the Kaaba -- an original Hindu/pagan shrine -- was really built by a "Muslim" prophet named Abraham of whom there is no record that he ever travelled to Arabia? And that they took Christian and Jewish prophets from hundreds of years before Islam and said that they were all "Muslim" prophets without any proof at all except of course what is written in the Koran? And that they made up a false gospel called the "Gospel of Barnabas" that said that Jesus survived the cruxifiction?
This is the same phenomenom happening here. They are trying to rewrite the history of North America so that they can claim that we belong to the Dar-al-Islam. Stealing the history of kaffirs is an essential part of Islamic expansionism, always has been, always will be. Just setting the stage for a nice Jihadi uprising in Al-Amrikaa to reclaim "their" land.
Some Muslims have also "proved" that Napoleon Bonaparte and Johannes Goethe were "secret" Muslims, as was a medieval Saxon king named King Offa. And have you heard the one about the medieval Catholic Pope who "secretly" converted to Islam, but then was murdered by his bishops when he tried to tell them about the "true" religion? I've seen this one traded on Islamic message boards as well. Oh, and then there's the Jacques Cousteau was a Muslim story and the Neil Armstrong converted to Islam because he heard the call to prayer recited on the moon story.
Re-read the article "My House is Mine, Your House is Mine Too" by Syed Kamran Mirza on this site for a taste of how it is done. |
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Anyway, some historians argue that Indians had contact with South America based on some myths and architectural similarities, and the lotus and snake motifs.
I doubt this is something that would find a place in an Arabic textbook? 
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Cro Magons quote on the Hinduism section with thread called
"old indian myths comes to life with archaelogical find"
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I guess you guys are familiar with these stories? (whatever their validity...)
The Story of Vimanas - India's Tradition of Flying Machines
http://home.t-online.de/home/lbroden/vimanas.html
Ancient Indian aircraft technology
http://home.t-online.de/home/lbroden/anti_gravity.html
Also fascinating: have you heard about the ancient (probably 1500 - 2500 years old) rock/stone carvings in Meso America (Monte Alban, Mexico, Costa Rica) that depict humanoid creatures with elephant-trunk like protrusions in stead of a nose? (not new discoveries, but not very known either. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find pictures on the web. Some of Erich's von Daniken's books however do contain some pics of these American 'colleagues' of Ganesha. Regardless of the theories of Von Daniken: those pics don't lie.... those humanoid carvings do have trunks in their face!) |
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CroMagnon
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See also:
Some Archaeological Outliers
http://economics.sbs.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/outliers.html
The Bat Creek Stone
http://economics.sbs.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html
The Bat Creek Stone was discovered in 1889 in an undisturbed burial mound in Eastern Tennessee by the Smithsonian's Mound Survey project.
In 1971, Cyrus Gordon identified the letters inscribed on the stone as Paleo-Hebrew of approximately the first or second century A.D.
According to him, the five letters to the left of the comma-shaped word divider read, from right to left, LYHWD, or "for Judea."
In 1988, wood fragments found with the inscription were Carbon-14 dated to somewhere between 32 A.D. and 769 A.D. These dates are consistent with the apparent date of the letters.
Today the stone resides out of sight in a back room of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C.
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The 'muslims in Pre-Columbian America' stories rely heavily upon writers like Barry Fell, who wrote about possible ancient (often pre-Christian era) Phoenician, Mande (west africa), Celtic, Old Norse and lots of other cultural/archeological/liguistical links to 'the Americas'.
The muslim-propaganda writers then pick out ONLY quotes about Arabian-related languages/scripts (like pre-islamic Phoenician) and 'transform' that into 'Muslim/Quranic' Arabian. Or they 'translate' the quotes on ancient Mande language as if referring to the much more recent Mandingo languages of islamic Mali etc.
Also, they invent their own islamist version of etymology: the name of Florida's capital city Tallahassee supposedly would mean in original Arabic: 'He, Allah, will deliver you sometime in the future.' , while actually the word of course comes from the Apalachee Indian language, meaning: "old town" or "abandoned fields" 
see further:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/01/001stengel.htm
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/01/001stengel3.htm
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CroMagnon
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| Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:33 am Post subject: Some comments |
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Some comments on:
DIGGING FOR THE RED ROOTS
Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El
http://users.erols.com/ameen/redroots.htm
I am a Muslim from Cherokee Blackfoot American-Indian community. ...
# | Quote: | | The Peace and Friendship Treaty, signed on the Delaware River in the year 1787, bears the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. This treaty details our continued right to exist as a community in the areas of commerce, maritime shipping, and our form of government which at that time was in accordance with Islam. |
There is no such treaty. US treaties can be viewed at:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/18th.htm and further incorporated links there.
The only treaties of that century regarding Delaware are:
Charter of Delaware - 1701
Constitution of Delaware; 1776 (1)
Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Delaware; December 7, 1787.
(search the Arabic names! )
# | Quote: | | Almost all of the tribes vocabulary includes the word Allah (SWT). |
Of course ... any evidence?
# | Quote: | | If you read any of the old books on Cherokee clothing up until 1832, you will see the men wearing turbans and the women wearing long head coverings. |
Yeah sure... See:
Cherokee images 1730 - 1800 and Cherokee images 1800 - 1839 (Cherokee site)
# | Quote: | | The last Cherokee's chief (1866) had a Muslim name Ramadhan Ibn Wati. |
Really?
From http://cherokeehistory.com/image2.html , a Cherokee site:
| Quote: | | Stand Watie, leader of the Southern Cherokees, was a Treaty Party leader and signer of the Treaty of New Echota. Named Ta-ker-taw-ker, "to stand firm", at birth and formally Degadoga, "he stands on two feet", he was baptized as Isaac. He later combined the English version of his name with his father's name, Oo-wa-tie, resulting in Stand Watie....After Chief John Ross's "capture", he was elected principal chief in August of 1862. He holds the distinction of being the last Confederate general to surrender, June 23, 1865 |
# | Quote: | | Cities across the United States and Canada bear names that are of Indian and Islamic derivation. Have you ever wondered what the name Tallahassee means? It means 'He, Allah, will deliver you sometime in the future.' |
See my previous post.
If the Cherokees were realy Muslims, they seem to have unbelievable weak linguistic memory and/or very little pride in their own great scientific contributions to mankind.
Visit this Cherokee online dictionary and be amazed by the 'muslim' Cherokee words for some issues that are important in Islam/Arabic culture:
(search the similarities with Arabic words! )
(red=English), blue is Cherokee)
1. English words of Arabic origin:
alcohol = a-ma' a-su-yv-di wi-s-gi
algebra = di-se-s-di u-gv-wa-li
almanac = nv-dv-di-se-s-di
alphabet = di-ga-lo-qua-s-do
arithmetic = di-se-s-di
cotton = u-tsi-lv
2. some other words:
Bad Spirit = s-gi-na
Bad Spirits = a-ni-s-gi-na
belief = u-wo-hi-yu-sv
devil = tsv-s-gi-no
harmony to you = nv-wa-do-hi-ya-da
heaven = ga-lv'-la-ti
law = da-ka-na-li-wa-dv-s-di
Master of Life = ga-no-du
moon = sv-no-yi-e-hi-nv-do
peace = nv-wa-do-hi-ya-dv
peaceful = do-hi
sacred = e-ti-ka-i-e-le
Seeker of Truth = du-yu-go-dv a-yo-s-di
servant = a-tsi-na-tla-i
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Soon in this thread:
comments on more 'Pre-Columbian America teeming with Muslim life!' propaganda!
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Susan
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| Quote: | | I am a Muslim from Cherokee Blackfoot American-Indian community. ... |
LOL -- Blackfoot are PLAINS (Mid-Western North American) Indians, Cherokee are originally from the SOUTHEAST COAST of North America. They have totally different cultures. It's like talking about the "Scandinavian-Italian" community of Europe!
There is evidence (but not conclusive) that some Turkish sailors who were dropped off on an Island off the Coast of North Carolina by Sir Francis Drake in the late 1500s made it ashore and intermarried with Cherokee tribespeople. A group of Southeastern Americans known as "Melungeons" COULD be descendents of these people -- but this idea is hotly disputed by other equally plausible theories.
At any rate, the late 1500's is a long time past "Pre-Columbian" times. |
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Daryll Harber
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| But surely the Amerindians were, just like the rest of us, Muslims before they lapsed back into pagan idolatry, started dancing round totem polls and ripping hearts out. |
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Daryll Harber
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| BTW Cleo, NON-Muslims were in Arabia before Muhammad. Therefore the Arabian peninsula is rightfully the territory of Jews, Christians and pagan idolaters. |
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CroMagnon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2002 3:24 am Post subject: more comments on claims of ancient islamic native americans |
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 Hi friends, as promised:
some comments on (for now only a part of) the PRECOLUMBIAN MUSLIMS IN THE AMERICAS article by Dr. Youssef Mroueh
Reference article + quote of the part I will review:
PRECOLUMBIAN MUSLIMS IN THE AMERICAS
http://www.sunnah.org/history/precolmb.htm
(see bottom of page, point 6: )
| Quote: | | ..... A careful study of the names of the native Indian tribes revealed that many names are derived from Arab and Islamic roots and origins, i.e. Anasazi, Apache, Arawak, Arikana, Chavin, Cherokee, Cree, Hohokam, Hupa, Hopi, Makkah, Mahigan, Mohawk, Nazca, Zulu, Zuni...etc.. |
(the author gives no references to this linguistic/cultural claim)
In this post I will refute the islamist claim that the names (and the people/culture/religion) of the above mentioned tribes were Arabic/islamic in origin, by presenting some plain, known facts and various references on liguistic, cultural and/or religious issues which don't show any link to arab/islamic language/culture/religion and that any serious and self-respecting Dr. in a careful study could have easily found him/herself
For now I will concentrate on the tribes that I marked in red in the above quote. More will follow later on ....
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# ANASAZI:
http://raysweb.net/canyonlands/pages/anasazi.html
| Quote: | | Anasazi, which means 'ancient stranger' or 'ancient enemy' in the Navajo language, is the name most commonly applied to the early pueblo dwellers who once lived in the Colorado Plateau or Four Corners Area. |
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/1942/H_name_5.htm
| Quote: | | The discontinuity of Hopi history and tradition is reflected in the Anasazi name. Oddly, this is a Navajo, not a Hopi or Pueblo word. The Hopi resent the prominence and common usage of the word Anasazi. They find the name offensive. To them, their ancestors are the Hisat-Sinom, “the People of Long Ago.” There has been an active Hopi campaign to get the guidebooks, anthropologists, and literature to use the term Hisat-Sinom, in place of Anasazi. |
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# APACHES :
http://impurplehawk.com/apache.html (Apache site)
| Quote: | They called themselves Inde, or Nide "the people".
The Apache people (including the Navajo) came from the Far North to settle the Plains and Southwest around A.D. 850. ..... The Apache speak the Athabscan language, which originated in their former homeland of northwestern Canada.
The Apache regarded coyotes, insects, and birds as having been human beings. ...... The Apache lived in extended family groups, all loosely related through the female line. (Matriarcial)....
Each Apache group was composed of extended families or clans. Basic social, economic, and political units (were) based on female inherited leadership. |
http://www.nps.gov/tuma/apache.html
| Quote: | | The Apaches call themselves Nde, Inde, Tinde or Tinneh, all meaning "The People." The name Apache actually comes from the Zuni word Apachu which means "enemy." |
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# ARIKARA : (these might be the ArikaNa mentioned in the article. I didn't find anything on Arikana itself)
http://www.ussarikara.com/arikara_nation.htm
| Quote: | | The early writers spelled the tribal name as ARICKAREES, ARIKKARAS, RICARAS, RICCAREES, REES, as well as about three dozen other ways. The name is derived from the Skidi Pawnee word "ariki", meaning 'horn', because they wore there hair with two pieces of horn standing up like little horns on each side of the crest; and "ra", a plural ending. |
http://www.gods-heros-myth.com/namerican/dictionaryn-z.html
| Quote: | | NISHANU - The great sky god of the Arikara tribe |
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# CHAVIN:
the name Chavin refers to a culture that existed many centuries before Mohammed even 'saw the light' :
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/incas/collier.htm
| Quote: | HISTORY
Before the Incas - The oldest of the high cultures of the Andes was the [/i]Chavin culture, which began between 1200 and 800 b.c. and lasted until about 400 b.c. |
http://www.sael.org.za/hinca103.htm
| Quote: | | Although the basic Andean cultural patterns were probably set as early as 2000 BC, there were nevertheless three distinct eras in their evolution: the Chavin people (900-200 BC), [i]the Tiahuanacan Dynasty (600-1000 AD) and the Inca Empire (1476-1534 AD). |
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# CHEROKEE : see my previous post above
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# CREE: :
http://www.creeindian.com/ (Cree-site)
| Quote: | | The name Cree, comes from "Kristineaux", or "Kri" for short; a name given to Native Americans from the James Bay area by French fur traders. |
http://www.geocities.com/bigorrin/cree.htm
| Quote: | | People: The Cree are Canada's largest native group, with 200,000 registered members and dozens of self-governed nations. "Cree" is a French word of disputed origin; when speaking their own language the Cree refer to themselves as Ayisiniwok, meaning "true men", or Eenou, Iynu, or Eeyou, meaning simply "the people" (this word has the same Central Algonquian root as the Montagnais word Innu). There are also more than 100,000 people known as Metis, of mixed-blood Cree, French, and other Indian ancestry. Though many Cree regard the Metis as Cree brethren--and, indeed, though many registered Cree are also mixed-blood--the Metis have their own creole tongue (Michif) and a unique culture. |
Métis/Michif:
http://www.metisnation.ca/ARTS/michif1.html
| Quote: | | The Métis people are not only a mix of two diverse races, but also a combination of their distinct cultures. As such, Métis people developed their own language using pieces from both their European and First Nations parents. Michif is the result of a marriage between French and Cree. It uses French nouns and noun phrases with the Plains Cree verb system. As the language moves east, it begins to incorporate the Ojibway language. |
http://www.nisto.com/cree/lesson/1.html
| Quote: | Cree lessons:
Lesson 1: Greetings and Polite Formulas
ta'n(i)si - "Hello.", "Hi.", "How are you?", "How are things?" (Literally: "How?" )
m'on~(a) na'ntaw - "Hi.", "Fine." (in response to ta'n(i)si.) |
No Salaam Alaykum etc. ?  
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# HOHOKAM:
There's little known about the origin of the Hohokam:
http://www.blkmtnconservancy.org/historyp.html
| Quote: | | The earliest inhabitants to live in the Foothills area at Black Mountain were from the Hohokam Tribe, around 850 - 1150 AD. Hohokam is a Pima name meaning, " Those who have gone." Very little is known about these people. From what scientists, botanists, and archeologists have put together, we are able to begin unraveling at least part of the mystery surrounding the Hohokam Tribe. |
BUT they were the first Native Americans to use an advanced irrigation sytem and they also used cotton:
| Quote: | | The Hohokam Tribe lived in large communities along the prehistoric Salt and Gila River. They built advanced canal irrigation systems to grow crops such as cotton, corn, beans, and tomatoes. So advanced was this system that when the white settlers first came upon the Hohokam's abandoned irrigation system, they just repaired it and started irrigating again. |
Maybe that's why the islamists claim they must have been muslims (because the name 'Hohokam' is known to come from the Pima language (and not from Arabic), as it shown above).
But cotton is not a muslim introduction to the world. The name 'cotton' is of arabic origin, but cotton itself is native to all continents and is/was used already for millenia, both in pre-Columbian America and in Asia:
| Quote: | | Many authors have discussed the mystery regarding the origin of cotton. Cotton was being cultivated in the Old World (Mohenjo Daro, Indus Valley of Asia at 2500 B.C.) and in the New World (Huaca Prieta, Peru in 8000 B.C. was nonagricultural Gossypium barbadense; Mexico in 3400 B.C. was G. hirsutum). |
The Hohokams left however lots of petroglyphs (rock carvings):
| Quote: | | The Hohokam were the only people to actually live in the Foothills area at Black Mountain until the white men came. The petroglyphs in this area are distinctively Hohokam and are from the years of 900 - 1150 AD. They are the only tribe to call this area their home. |
(see also this online archeologist book about the Hohokam) )
Also interesting, lots of juwelry, including nose-plugs have been found:
http://www.uapress.arizona.edu/online.bks/hohokam/chap2.htm
| Quote: | | The Hohokam also adorned themselves with jewelry. They wore bracelets, rings, earrings, necklaces, and nose plugs. Jewelry was made from seashells, semi-precious stones, pieces of pottery, and bone. The Hohokam probably painted themselves as well. |
Nose-plugs? Doesn't sound very muslim-like to me....
If these people were indeed muslims we would expect lots of Arabic/Quranic writings, either in documents (none have been found) or else incarved on the rocks. Further we would expect NO human-like/animal-like figures. See these links:
(search the arabic/Quranic connections in these petroglyphs )
http://phoenixpd.org/PUEBLO/dfrokart.html
http://aztec.asu.edu/aznha/vbarv/main.html
http://aztec.asu.edu/aznha/vbarv/style.html: | Quote: | | .... the Hohokam produced the Gila Petroglyph Style, noted for its stick figure and hour glass-shaped humans, humans with headdresses, dancing scenes, animals, meandering lines, mazes, and especially circular designs such as dots, sunbursts, concentric circles, and spirals. |
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To be continued..... 
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| Haha. I asked some of my Native American friends if there could be any truth to the idea that Native American's tribal names have been influenced by Arabic or Islam and they said, "hell no." |
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