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anwar
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 Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:28 am Post subject: who do you love? |
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Dear ali sina,
You are doing a great job, especially when you talk abot creating love. Sorry, to be honest to tell you about my doubt.
In one hand you don't accept islam blindly, but on the other
hand you are accepting american policy blindly, HOW?
I don't know what others say when someone ask them
"who do you love" including yourself, i'm a muslim, if someone
asked me the same i would have answered the following words:
I LOVE WHATEVER I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE. WHATEVER I HAVE
SEEN IS THE SAME WHATEVER YOU HAVE SEEN IN YOUR LIFE.
THE WORLD, THE NATURE OF THE WORLD, THE PEOPLE, THE
ANIMALS, THE BIRDS, THE MOUNTINS, THE RIVERS AND...ETC.
I LOVE ALL KIND OF HUMAN BEINGS, WITH ANY COLOUR, BLACK,
WHITE, RED, GREY....SO I LOVE YOU, YOU AND YOU PLUS MYSELF. I LOVE YOU BECAUSE I AM NOBODY WITHOUT YOU,
I LOVE MYSELF BECAUSE I AM A PART OF YOU, NITHER WORS
THAN YOU NOR BETTER THAN YOU. I LOVE WHO LOVES ME AND
THOSE WHO DON'T LOVE ME, I STILL LOVE THEM. THOSE WHO
DON'T LOVE ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ME, DON'T FEEL
ME, DON'T UNDERSTAND ME, IF SO THEN HOW DO THEY LOVE ME? BUT I AM SURE ONE DAY THE WILL KNOW ME, FELL ME
AND UNDERSTAND ME. THAT DAY IS NOT TOO FAR WHEN I CAN FIND MYSELF IN YOUR HEART, AND FIND YOURSELF IN MY HEART. ON THAT DAY EVERY ONE WILL SAY TO EACHOTHER, YES, WE LOVE YOU, WE LOVE, AND WE LOVE YOU.....
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rand
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Dear Anwar,
You spoke of love, and of being a muslim. According to Islam, who is Allah and Muslims supoosed to love and hate?
Best wishes,
Rand
| Quote: | | [2.276] Allah does not bless usury, and He causes charitable deeds to prosper, and Allah does not love any ungrateful sinner. |
| Quote: | | [3.32] Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers |
| Quote: | | [4.36] And serve Allah and do not associate any thing with Him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely Allah does not love him who is proud, boastful; |
| Quote: | | [22.38] Surely Allah will defend those who believe; surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. |
| Quote: | | [40.10] Surely those who disbelieve shall be cried out to: Certainly Allah's hatred (of you) when you were called upon to the faith and you rejected, is much greater than your hatred of yourselves. |
| Quote: | | [2.65] And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated. |
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bob
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Rand,
| Quote: | | Be (as) apes, despised and hated. |
Interesting statement, isn't it? Who despises and hates apes? Allah? Does Allah despise and hate his own creation? Or did Allah make creatures in order for men to despise and hate them? In that case, are the people who do not despise let alone 'hate' apes (myself included) misreading Allah's intentions?
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CroMagnon
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anwar
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 7:50 am Post subject: who do you love? |
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Dear Rand,
Very valid questions you have raised, thanks.
I never come a cross that "muslim suppose to love and hate", and what's wrong if a muslim like me who only love and know nothing about hate. It's clearly mentioned in Quraan "3.257 There is no compulsion in religion". Religions for me like clothes that we wear, and best cloth is humanism. It's very difficult to define God "Allah", it has many definitions as per religious, philosophers, humanists etc etc. Let's ask ourselves, can God be better than his words as it's in holy books? if not, then he is very limited who can't be God. If he is better than his words, then we must seek him out of religions. I don't understand why people are puting God into cages, cage of Buddhism, cage of Christianity, cage of Confucianism, cage of Hinduism, cage of Judaism, cage of Islam, cage of Shinto, cage of Taoism. How many other cages still we have? Can we make our God free from these cages and let him breath in you, in me, in him, in her, in it etc etc.
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Robert
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 7:52 am Post subject: Re: who do you love? |
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| anwar wrote: | Dear Rand,
Very valid questions you have raised, thanks.
I never come a cross that "muslim suppose to love and hate", and what's wrong if a muslim like me who only love and know nothing about hate. It's clearly mentioned in Quraan "3.257 There is no compulsion in religion". Religions for me like clothes that we wear, and best cloth is humanism. It's very difficult to define God "Allah", it has many definations as per religious, philosophers, humanists etc etc. Let's ask ourselves, can God be better than his words as it's in holy books? if not, then he is very limited who can't be God. If he is better than his words, then we must seek him out of religions. I don't understand why people are puting God into cages, cage of Buddhism, cage of Christianity, cage of Conucianism, cage of Hinduism, cage of Judaism, cage of Islam, cage of Shinto, cage of Taoism. How many other cages still we have? Can we make our God free from these cages and let him breath in you, in me, in him, in her, in it etc etc. |
Islam is the only religion of which the founder already was a cold-blooded killer.
So what love are you taliking about?
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anwar
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:08 am Post subject: who do you love? |
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Dear Robert,
My friend the life is too short, to understand each and every thing so easily. It's a good thing that you know a lot about islam, but do you know 100%. Now, if a muslim kill a non muslim you hate him, i hate him too. But, why do you hate a muslim who loves a non muslim. Well it's a faithfreedom site i like it too much, but why you are showing your angry on me, is it because i'm a muslim? Well, i am a muslim and will remain a muslim, and love every one everything as much as i can. I would request you to read every thing about islam good thing and bad thing as well. Things should be balanced isn't it?
I do apology for my misunderstanding, if it's there.
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bob
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Dear Anwar,
Nice things you say. Keep it up!
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anwar
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:13 am Post subject: who do you love? |
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Dear bob, thank you very much, brother.
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Ali Sina
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| Quote: | In one hand you don't accept islam blindly, but on the other
hand you are accepting american policy blindly, HOW? |
Hi dear Anwar!
Sorry I missed you.
I don’t think I accept anything blindly. I do not accept American policy at all. However I am forced to side with America when I see greater evil is looming in the horizon. I know for sure if Saddam is left, he will cause more death and bring about more miseries than if he is surgically removed. So if I agree with the war in Iraq, it is not that I accept American policies. I just want to see Saddam smashed. It has its cost and that is painful, but the cost of inaction is far outweighs the cost of removing it. Imagine if Hitler were dealt with earlier, millions of lives would not have been destroyed.
Of course I do not like any single nation bullying others. However we need a world police to deal with rogue governments. That is why I believe we have to give up our selfish nationalism and think globally. We need a world government. That is the only way we can put an end to world chaos. In the absence of such a worldly authority, we have to accept either American bullying or put up with thugs and murders such as Bin Laden and Saddam. Well between the two bad choices, I prefer to be bullied by America than murdered by lunatic criminals such as Saddam and his ilk.
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missionms
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Uh huh, and perhaps if the U.S. had stayed out of World War I, there wouldn't have been a Hitler.
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Gauge
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Everyone claims WW1 and WW2...the yanks had little to do with the outcome of both (in Europe)...yankee boys chose, conveniently, to come in late, when the outcome was all but decided...in both wars...don't jump on me nawh...study history...give the indoctrination a break, mission old girl...have you really studied history? Or philosophy? Or theology??? Or do you just post mindlessly?
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anwar
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:34 am Post subject: who do you love? |
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Dear Ali Sina,
Thank you very much for your very nice reply. I have enjoed reading some of your articles and posts. Many confusions have cleared from your nice articles and many others have come. Anyhow, that's life i beleive. One question i would like to ask you if you don't mind and have time to answer is, "whatever was right yesterday is wrong today, whatever is right today can be wrong tomorrow?"
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friend or foe
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 2:20 am Post subject: Re: who do you love? |
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I never come a cross that "muslim suppose to love and hate", and what's wrong if a muslim like me who only love and know nothing about hate. It's clearly mentioned in Quraan "3.257 There is no compulsion in religion". Religions for me like clothes that we wear, and best cloth is humanism. It's very difficult to define God "Allah", it has many definations as per religious, philosophers, humanists etc etc. Let's ask ourselves, can God be better than his words as it's in holy books? if not, then he is very limited who can't be God. If he is better than his words, then we must seek him out of religions. I don't understand why people are puting God into cages, cage of Buddhism, cage of Christianity, cage of Conucianism, cage of Hinduism, cage of Judaism, cage of Islam, cage of Shinto, cage of Taoism. How many other cages still we have? Can we make our God free from these cages and let him breath in you, in me, in him, in her, in it etc etc. |
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| Quote: | Islam is the only religion of which the founder already was a cold-blooded killer.
So what love are you taliking about? |
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Dear anwar,
I am sure Robert didn't have anything against you in person - just islam as a doctrine.
But you don't seem to know all pure islamic teachings. In Quran it is clearly stated that yuo shouldn't die but as a muslim. There is no compulsion but no compromise in believing in Muhammad as a prophet. If you dont believe in him you're a kääfir. Have you read about life of Muhammed? What books? What do you think about his marriages, punishments etc, are their human?
By the way, the words you wrote about love above, that was so pure and touching that some tears came to my eyes while reading it.
I wish you all the best in life.
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anwar
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2003 8:50 am Post subject: who do you love? |
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Hi Friend of foe,
I welcome your positive and nice participation, pls forgive me for my late reply upon your nice and meaningful post.
Yes, friend you are very right, i am not a person who knows each and everything about Islam. It's also true that i did not read many books of Islam especially about Prophet Mohammed and his way of living. I have read very few books of his life and have taken it in a positive way. And of course, i have read some articles of Dr. Ali Sina writing against Islam and Prophet Mohammed and that also i have taken in a positive way. I am not in a position to agree upon Articles of Mr.Ali Sina or deny them. If he is right he can be wrong, and if he is wrong he can be right as well. I'll repeat my words, that my understanding and knowledge are very limited. The main notion of Islam is to believe in one God only, and that's why it's stated in Quran, (you shouldn't die unless you are a muslim). Does really the meaning of Kaafir is not believing in Mohammed?? if it's true then, why Prophet Mohammed said " who said last, La Illah Illa Lah, he goes to heaven" .
Prophet Mohammed also said " say everything about juses (good things), and also say anything about me (good things and bad things), but whatever you say about me that must be right and correct".
Dear friend of foe, the above is not the reply of your nice post, but it is my participation, because no one is completed under the sun, and i am just trying what good things as a humanbeing i can get from you people or can give to you.
Have a nice moment, in every moment.
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Unknown 175
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: who do you love? |
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| anwar wrote: | | One question i would like to ask you if you don't mind and have time to answer is, "whatever was right yesterday is wrong today, whatever is right today can be wrong tomorrow?" |
Yes, things change. What will you do if I am your best friend from 20 years who has always helped you; but am now bent on destroying everything you love and just want to cause pain. Say I changed because Mr.Ali Sina's site has driven me crazy, and because you praising him made me hate you -- but say before that I was very very nice person.
So tell me now, how would you deal with me. Will you deal with me as a friend no matter who among your loved ones I destroyed? Or will you deal with me as an enemy of humanity that I profess I was according to above description?
Let me tell you what I think is best. A person must be judged by his deeds, not by his past loyalty, past race, past memories, past generations, past colors, etc. When things change, you need to understand that good can become bad and bad can become good. No one is born bad, people often times change into bad. Not only that, bad people can change into good, and one must always give that chance to change. |
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Unknown 293
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:06 pm Post subject: good bad |
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| i think he meant what we think right today tommorow about the same thing we may think wrong. |
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