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Unknown 320
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 Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:05 am Post subject: Picture That "insults" Islam |
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http://www.mpacuk.org/mpac/data/84eb1c5d/84eb1c5d.jsp
Got this from the FFI news section. It talks about a compnay that published a pic of MohamMAd surrounded by naked women.....the truth hurts, doesn't it?
 
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Scandinavian infidel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:10 am Post subject: |
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It sure does, paxaeterna. What's worse is that the publisher seems to have "submitted" to their complaint.
Dhimmi coward. 
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bush badee
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:16 am Post subject: |
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from the article
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1 To Muslims it is very important never to make any pictorial representations of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The publication of the illustration on page 36 of 'The History of Punishment' by Lewis Lyons is therefore very upsetting to Muslims.
2 This illustration is particularly offensive because it shows the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) surrounded by naked women, thereby characterising him as a lecherous womanizer. This nudity is also especially hurtful because Islam teaches that women should dress modestly in public.
3 This image should therefore be removed from the publication immediately. Please could you inform me of your actions on this matter.
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1 Who really cares what is offensive to Muslims. They seem to have no regard as to whom and what other religions they insult.
2 Do these people really think that Mu had sex with all those woman while they were dressed.
They are not in public in the picture.
Aside from the fact that Mu was a womanizer and violated his own rules on how many wives he could have.
He not only was a womanizer but he was a pedafile takeing girls as young as 9 for his wifes. His reputation follows him.
3 The picture in and of it self is great art.
He should recieve much more attention and hopefully the origonal hangs in some art museum.
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CroMagnon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:25 am Post subject: |
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How can the 'one and only true religion' be hurt/insulted that easily...?
 
...even Allah and Mo can be hurt by mere human beings and actions.... how can the so called 'truth' be hurt/insulted?  it's a sign of weakness
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bread
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Also note that Shias and many branches of Islam DO portray the images of MuhamMAD. It is mosty the e e Sunnis which do not. But there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who are not Sunnis. At most Sunnis form 800 million, if not less. That means about 500 million Muslims wont have a problem with images of MuhamMAD. So the argument should be made that those Muslims objecting to images of Mo are fanatical branch of Islam.  |
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Unknown 326
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Scandinavian infidel wrote: | It sure does, paxaeterna. What's worse is that the publisher seems to have "submitted" to their complaint.
Dhimmi coward. |
Mental Dhimmi.
Coz they are not exactly Dhimmi, physically; at least in today's UK.
Of tommorow we can't say. |
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Devon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Bread is that correct?? I always thought out of 1.2 billion muslims that the Sunnis form about 90 percent of them??
Are the Shias and other non Sunni elements really that high in number?
That is very interesting indeed!!!
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bread
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Devon wrote: | Bread is that correct?? I always thought out of 1.2 billion muslims that the Sunnis form about 90 percent of them??
Are the Shias and other non Sunni elements really that high in number?
That is very interesting indeed!!!
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Aparently yes, Devon. I wassurprised too. Seems I was wrong about the % of Sunnis. Maybe Sunnis+Shias will be just under 85-90%.
Problem is that many countries report total number of Muslims, and if ^the majority is ``known`` to be Sunni, the entire number is put in as Sunnis.
Sometimes, the UN puts Sunni as long as they are not Shia.
But there are 73+ sects, so you can be nonShia, nonSunni Muslim.
EG: did you know that most Omanis are not Sunni? And that there are tens of millions of nonSunni NonShia in both India and PAkistan? And same goes for many other countries.
Sunnis still form the majority in total Muslim, but I was wrong: they are not 90%.
To find out exactly one will need to add up all Muslims per country by sect. Usually the smaler sects are not counted and are added out of hand to Sunnis.
Then there is the fact that even ORthodox Sunnis are divided into 4 Schools. |
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Ibn Rushd
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| There is of course the Submitters/19ers. |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a copy of my e-mail to the publishers.
"Dear Sir,
Don't allow these islamist odiots to suppress freedom of the press!
Please don't bow down to this minority who pretend to represent all muslims.
The majority of muslims couldn't give two hoots.
If you are seeking any material about Islam for any further publications, please visit this site:
http://www.faithfreedom.org
Stick to your guns.
Good luck. |
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Unknown 326
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Piggy,
Please post the reply of the publishers. I am eagerly waiting for that.
Best Regards, |
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Ali Sina
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Piggy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| humanitarian kaafir wrote: | Hi Piggy,
Please post the reply of the publishers. I am eagerly waiting for that.
Best Regards, |
Here's the generic reply from Amber Books Ltd:
"Amber Books Ltd sincerely apologises for any offence that has been caused by the inclusion of a pictorial representation of the Prophet Muhammad on page 36 in the book entitled 'The History of Punishment'. Amber Books are currently discussing this issue with the Muslim Council of Britain who are advising Amber Books on the best course of action."
So I replied as follows:
"Dear Amber Books Ltd,
What is there to apologise for?
You have every right to publish such a picture.
Don't bow down to these minority groups lest you set precedents that have no rational or reasonable substance.
Do you not believe in freedom of the press?
Print this in your next book: (read, the text below the pictures herein and see if you can this type of hate speech censored)
From this site:
http://www.faithfreedom.org
Here are the pictures:
WAKE UP!
[I posted about 6 photos from the FFI gallery, showing islamic atrocities along with the information about the hate-speech by a shiek, as follows]
This is ONLY ONE EXAMPLE of the trojan-horse or wolf in sheep's clothing that Islam is within western societies.
This is an example of what the fanatic Muftis, Mullahs, etc tell their gullible muslim audience.
We all can do something to expose this sinister plot of the fanatical Mohammedonists.
Islam is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT, sugar-coated with pious, religious candy.
This is what is going on right under your noses.
Question #11793: Being friends with non-Muslims
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=11793&dgn=4
Quote:
.... Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allaah His rights and they do not give the Qur’aan its rights and they do not give our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) his rights. The rights of Allaah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allaah alone, as mentioned in the aayah quoted above ...
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
Question #27211: Should he go back and live in a kaafir country?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=27211&dgn=4
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... There are two basic conditions which must be met before staying in kaafir countries:
The first condition is: that the person must be secure in his religious commitment, so that he has enough knowledge, faith and will power to ensure that he will adhere firmly to his religion and beware of deviating or going astray, and that he has an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaafirs and will not befriend them and love them, for befriending them and loving them are things that contradicts faith.
....
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
Question #11793: Being friends with non-Muslims
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=11793&dgn=4
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.... Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allaah His rights and they do not give the Qur’aan its rights and they do not give our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) his rights. The rights of Allaah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allaah alone, as mentioned in the aayah quoted above ...
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
Question #2179: Clarification of the important rule: it is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=2179&dgn=4
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.... It is also forbidden to honour them, give them titles of respect, initiate greetings to them, give them the best seats in gatherings, and give way to them in the street.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not be the first to greet a Jew or a Christian (do not initiate the greeting), and if you meet one of them in the street, then push him to the narrowest part of the way.” ....
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)
Question #2322: Is wearing jeans imitating the kuffaar?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=2322&dgn=4
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Question :
Is wearing jeans considered imitating the kuffar or is it
ok?
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
...... The scholars also made an exception concerning Muslims wearing the distinctive clothes of the kuffaar when living in daar al-harb (non-Muslim countries which are at war with Muslims) or for purposes which will benefit the Muslims. Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
"When a Muslim is living in a non-Muslim land (whether or not it is hostile to Islam), he is not expected to differ from them (the kuffaar) in his outward appearance, because of the harm that may result (from dressing as a Muslim). It is preferable, even obligatory, for a man to look like them sometimes, if that will achieve some religious purpose such as calling them to Islam, finding out their secrets in order to tell the Muslims about them, repelling their harm from the Muslims, and other worthwhile aims. But in the Muslim lands where Allaah has caused His religion to prevail, and where the kuffaar are in an inferior position and are paying jizyah (taxes paid by non-Muslims living under an Islamic government), it is obligatory for Muslims to look different from the kuffaar." (Iqtidaa' al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, 1/418).
It is clear from the above that jeans are not clothes that are characteristic of the kuffaar or worn only by them, so they are not haraam. However, it is more befitting for the Muslim to try to wear distinctive Islamic dress wherever he is, in obedience to the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Muslim should feel in his heart that he hates the kuffaar and the way they look and behave. This hatred will motivate him to avoid looking like them at all in the way he dresses or in other ways. Do you not see that a person who despises a people or tribe, or people from a certain country, will hate to dress like them, especially if they are poor. As Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: "Looking like them in external appearance indicates that one loves them in one's heart, and vice versa." And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)
Take care and best wishes.
--------------------------------end of my 2nd e-mail-------------------
This is the reply I got back in answer to my 2nd e-mail:
"Amber Books Ltd sincerely apologises for any offence that has been caused by the inclusion of a pictorial representation of the Prophet Muhammad on page 36 in the book entitled 'The History of Punishment'. Amber Books are currently discussing this issue with the Muslim Council of Britain who are advising Amber Books on the best course of action."
Regards.
Piggy. |
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syamal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Also note that Shias and many branches of Islam DO portray the images of MuhamMAD. |
Is it true? I know the shias only displays the picture of Ali in public. |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Truth is not Insult |
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Good one, Ali!
Send your e-mails folks!
Give support to freedom of the press and freedom of expression!
Here's the e-mail address to send your support to Amber Books Ltd:
enquiries@amberbooks.co.uk
Please don't delay. |
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everybee
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Unknown 398
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:20 pm Post subject: History of Punishment |
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| I'm new. I luv this site. I sent my email(s) to Amberbooks. Tomorrow, I'm getting all my coworkers to email also. Good work everyone! |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: History of Punishment |
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| JayTee wrote: | | I'm new. I luv this site. I sent my email(s) to Amberbooks. Tomorrow, I'm getting all my coworkers to email also. Good work everyone! |
Greetings and welcome JayTee, 
Good onya!
Spread the word!
We must wake-up the sleeping western world ASAP.
Regards.
piggy. |
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Scandinavian infidel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: History of Punishment |
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| JayTee wrote: | | I'm new. I luv this site. I sent my email(s) to Amberbooks. Tomorrow, I'm getting all my coworkers to email also. Good work everyone! |
Welcome to the site, JayTee.
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:09 am Post subject: Re: History of Punishment |
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| JayTee wrote: | | I'm new. I luv this site. I sent my email(s) to Amberbooks. Tomorrow, I'm getting all my coworkers to email also. Good work everyone! |
Welcome JT,
I've already sent them my two-cent worth. It’s imperative to let them (publishers) know that they still live in a free world where freedom of press, speech, and expression is protected by their Constitution.
That freedom was not given to them. They had to earn it. They didn’t gat it by backing down but by fighting for it. Many of their forefathers have died trying to fight for freedom and I think it’s a shame to just give that up by giving in to the Islamists.
I think this gun should also be aimed at the PC crowds who want to accommodate all the Nazis, Communists, Totalitarian Ideologists, and of course Islamists.
P.S. I came from a place where there are no freedoms. I greatly appreciate my newly found freedoms. Maybe they might be scared to fight for something that their forefathers have fought so hard for, but I’m not. I will fight to the death for this freedom that I now enjoy. With a pen or sword, rain or shine.
Peace. |
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:41 am Post subject: |
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We should also tell the publisher this is what will happen when the Islamists succeeds in abolishing of the freedom of speech, expression, and press.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3265127.stm
| Quote: | A man has been sentenced to death for blasphemy, Pakistani police say.
Niaz Ahmed was arrested in central Pakistan in July after villagers told police they heard him making insulting comments about the Prophet Mohammed.
The 55-year-old Muslim has pleaded not guilty to the accusations and is expected to appeal against the verdict |
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You cannot see it any clearer then this. For Niaz Ahmed it is too late. But it would be a spit in his face if we let the Islamists dictate our future. He didn’t have a choice but we do. So, with all that in mind, I would like to say Mohammed (Piss and Sh*t from the lowest filth on this earth Be Upon Him). |
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Unknown 353
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Yeah this came up on an interesting post on the BBC Islam forum. Not exactly much response (it's usually the usual theological gymnastics or "because the Quran says so" or blame-games) The point that the guy (Christian convert?) makes about blaspheming against Muhammad is also a good one. Just shows how much the "prophet" set himself up as a proto-deity.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?state=threads&board=religion.moral&&sort=T
Michael Ibrahim-Dent - 126th post - 13 Nov 2003 11:25
Either the concept of blasphemy in non-Muslim societies differs from that in Muslim societies, or Muhammad is being attributed with divine qualities for some other justification.
Would someone explain perhaps this obsession with the postman rather than the letters he carried. |
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