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Unknown 379
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 Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:42 am Post subject: A Clockwork Muslim |
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Remember the movie A Clockwork Orange? An excellent illustration of the effects of violence on an individual, and how society deals with it.
I have a solution, unorthodox as it may be, to completely change muslims into peace loving, docile creatures. Forget the ones that explode, they are beyond any hope of salvation.
You all know what muslims are about, we've all had discussions and dialogues with them. The end result is always the same. The muslim in question will proclaim from the beginning of the dialogue that islam is perfection personified. After they are presented with evidence to the contrary from their own koran, they will vehemently refuse to listen to you, calling you a liar and a heretic and an infidel. They will become filled with fury. They will start yelling and waving thier fists. They will threaten violence, and try to get their muslim brothers to deal with you.
How do we reverse this? Nuke them? No. Kill them? No, No, thats way too violent, I still think their is hope for muslims.
Simple. Use the patented Clockwork Muslim method.
Gather muslims from all walks of life into a movie theatre with a 10,000 person capacity, tell them they're going to watch a program about islam. Make them wear helmets that force their eyelids open and restrict movement of the head, bind them to their chairs. Then systematically and relentlessly show them ultra-violent images of palestinians and other terrorists blowing themsleves up, images of mutilated corpses and dead babies, images of people with their heads missing, images of suicide bombers now a slimy heap of charred flesh. Basically show them footage from the many muslim conflicts around the world. Have the koran playing in the background at full volume all the time. Make sure their seats are electrified giving them a small shock, say 30V at regular intervals throughout the experiment.
It will be only a matter of time til the muslims beg and plead for mercy, to be let free and stop witnessing ultra-violent images. However long it takes, a few hours, a few days, weeks even. Eventually they will come around and be completely reversed.
The result?
A Clockwork Muslim!
A person that experiences vomiting and explosive diahorea at the mere mention of the koran or violence, a person that suffers piercing migraines when they hear the azan, a person that respects human life and is no longer a slave to a barbaric and dogmatic ideology like islam.
After the first batch of 10,000 newly reformed Clockwork Muslims have been converted, move on to the next batch, there is little time and we must work quickly!
Camps could be set up in all countries where muslims are found.
I think the first batch of muslims should consist of all the despotic leaders of the middle east, north africa and muslim countries in asia. I'd like to see them quiver like jelly after the Clockwork Muslim treatment.
Drastic times call for drastic measures, no? |
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes, this is indeed drastic times for all of us on this planet. It’s a very clever idea Storm. I will save your post because I think I will have a chance to test it out. I know a plenty of countries in Asia that want to get rid of Muslim without having to kill them.
P.S. What is Azan?? |
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Unknown 279
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Unknown 379
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | P.S. What is Azan?? |
Azan or adan, the call to prayer that we hear 5 times a day from the microphone at the mosque.
Personally, when I hear it I feel like Damian in The Omen when they try to take him to church.  |
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adnan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Storm, it may work but its not practical, it still uses FORCE so it cant be implemented. but keep thinking.. |
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everybee
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You could show the results of Muslim violence on TV. It would reach more people. |
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Unknown 379
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| adnan wrote: | | Storm, it may work but its not practical, it still uses FORCE so it cant be implemented. but keep thinking.. |
Brother Adnan, if you think about it this would be a very humane treatment considering how savage most muslims are, merely strapping them to a chair and forcing them to accept a taste of their own medicine would be beneficial to them and to the rest of mankind.
Think of it as a reverse psychology kind of thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Sometimes force is neccessary.
Besides, it's not like we're torturing or killing them.
Like I said, drastic times call for drastic measures, you can't be lenient towards an enemy bent on your complete annhilation. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
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Unknown 379
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| everybee wrote: | | You could show the results of Muslim violence on TV. It would reach more people. |
TV you say?
Do you realize how much violence you are exposed to on TV?
Tell me everybee, what's the difference between watching Ahnuld blow stuff up and kill people on TV, and witnessing the aftermath of a suicide bomber?
Merely watching it on TV won't make a bit of difference to you or me or anyone, why? Because we as people have become de-sensitized to such things.
As soon as you turn the TV off and go to bed, the images are wiped from your head as if it were something you watched on................................TV! |
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Ampbreia
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Storm writes:
| Quote: | | Merely watching it on TV won't make a bit of difference to you or me or anyone, why? Because we as people have become de-sensitized to such things. |
Exactly so. People would tend to become de-sensitized to ANY violence they are repeatedly forced to witness. What exactly is it that you think happens to the human minds that are constantly forced to witness it in Islamic countries where Sharia law is in action: stonings, floggings, amputations, skewering, beheadings...?
Yeah, these Islamic facts of life might well shock the American Muslims who, by an large, don't realize such atrocities are actually being practiced. But what about the born Muslims in Islamic countries who have witnessed such things since they were little? Do you honestly think that strapping them to a theater seat and forcing them to watch more of the same would make them better human beings? Why should it? They've already been flooded with that garbage.
When you speak of making ClockWork Muslims, you are talking about such draconian measures as "re-education camps," for further brainwashing people that have already been brainwashed and programmed for violence, either latent or active. What is needed here is deprogramming via straightforward education so that Muslims can be free to think for themselves. It must, under NO circumstance, resemble torture or mental abuse. Tough love, perhaps, but even that must be done with respect of the innate humanity of the person or it is worthless.
The means do not justify the end. Take the guide that if you wouldn't want it done to you, you would avoid doing it to others. So how would you like to wear a helmet that forces your eyelids open and restricts movement of your head, being bound to your chair, forced to watch violent images for days or weeks, listening to loudspeakers blaring noise at full volume, while getting 30V shocks at regular intervals?
Sounds a lot like torture to me. Torture makes mentally unbalanced people.
I realize that you come from a country where the Islamists in charge use methods like this to crush human spirits on a regular basis. Using methods like this they have created a violent totalitarian atmosphere that no sane or civilized person would want to live in. Should we in the free world emulate the monsters that run Dar-Islam, we'd be no better than they are.
Why would you want to do such a thing Storm? Have you witnessed too much of Sharia law in action yourself? If so, please reasses yourself and try to come to your senses. I mean that sincerely, no insult intended.
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Ibn Rushd
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps to make the American Muslims aware of their blindness, they should go to Pakistan/Iran, commit some crime that they're used to getting away with some piddely-ass compensation. For the punishement, the whole community of American Muslims who went over should watch, be told by the mullahs that "this is Islam and that you were wrong and that we're setting you right".
What a shocker this would be.  Maybe they'd come around or something? Of course, once they're in the country, they can't leave, so that doesn't do them any good. |
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adnan
Joined: 29 Jun 2002
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Brother Adnan, if you think about it this would be a very humane treatment considering how savage most muslims are, merely strapping them to a chair and forcing them to accept a taste of their own medicine would be beneficial to them and to the rest of mankind. |
Strong,
Why not also drive everyone out of mosques and flatten all the mosques, burn all the Qurans too? Stuff like this is'nt implementable.. thats what i'm saying.
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Unknown 379
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ampbreia wrote: | Storm writes:
| Quote: | | Merely watching it on TV won't make a bit of difference to you or me or anyone, why? Because we as people have become de-sensitized to such things. |
Exactly so. People would tend to become de-sensitized to ANY violence they are repeatedly forced to witness. What exactly is it that you think happens to the human minds that are constantly forced to witness it in Islamic countries where Sharia law is in action: stonings, floggings, amputations, skewering, beheadings...?
Yeah, these Islamic facts of life might well shock the American Muslims who, by an large, don't realize such atrocities are actually being practiced. But what about the born Muslims in Islamic countries who have witnessed such things since they were little? Do you honestly think that strapping them to a theater seat and forcing them to watch more of the same would make them better human beings? Why should it? They've already been flooded with that garbage.
When you speak of making ClockWork Muslims, you are talking about such draconian measures as "re-education camps," for further brainwashing people that have already been brainwashed and programmed for violence, either latent or active. What is needed here is deprogramming via straightforward education so that Muslims can be free to think for themselves. It must, under NO circumstance, resemble torture or mental abuse. Tough love, perhaps, but even that must be done with respect of the innate humanity of the person or it is worthless.
The means do not justify the end. Take the guide that if you wouldn't want it done to you, you would avoid doing it to others. So how would you like to wear a helmet that forces your eyelids open and restricts movement of your head, being bound to your chair, forced to watch violent images for days or weeks, listening to loudspeakers blaring noise at full volume, while getting 30V shocks at regular intervals?
Sounds a lot like torture to me. Torture makes mentally unbalanced people.
I realize that you come from a country where the Islamists in charge use methods like this to crush human spirits on a regular basis. Using methods like this they have created a violent totalitarian atmosphere that no sane or civilized person would want to live in. Should we in the free world emulate the monsters that run Dar-Islam, we'd be no better than they are.
Why would you want to do such a thing Storm? Have you witnessed too much of Sharia law in action yourself? If so, please reasses yourself and try to come to your senses. I mean that sincerely, no insult intended. |
Hey Ampbriea,
You've never been here, you have no idea what goes on here. You may have a slight idea of what goes on in Iran because you lived there for a year, but it was only one year, plus you're a westerner, you were treated differently, that's something that you have to understand and accept.
-When you get harrassed and bullied by cops just for buying beer, then you can talk.
-When you have to tiptoe around during ramadan, and be very careful not to light up a smoke in public or eat or drink for fear of feirce reprisals from everyone around you, then you can talk.
-When you spend 6 hours in the egyptian state security building (where most people don't leave) being unsympathetically questioned about some minor criticism you voiced on the net, then you can talk.
"Respect of the innate humanity of the person" - What if that person proves to be incapable of any humanity? What if that person not only wishes me harm, but thinks that this is actually justifiable because of religion? What if they are absolutely unyeilding in their unreasonable demands? What if they give me no choice?
Am I to just lay down and take it? Am I not allowed to react?
It's easy for you to sit on your comfortable couch, living in the west, and call me cruel for advocating such a thing. It's all too easy for you to point your finger at me, when you've never walked a mile in my shoes.
Would you try and reason with someone who was trying to rape you and murder you? Would you use the argument "do unto others..." with them?
NO. You would defend yourself, you would throw all logic and reason out the window and turn into a savage animal, because you're faced with a savage animal.
"Straightforward Education"?? Would you hold up a hankerchief to stop a bullet from entering your head?
When you live in hell amongst demons, you turn into a demon yourself.
And what the hell is this "we in the free world"?? I don't live in the free world, I live in an islamic shithole. Maybe you were referring to the royal 'we'?
I wonder how sympathetic you would be to someone who insisted that your daughter's clitoris & labia be removed and her pussy be sewn shut til marraige?
What would your reaction be to that? Hmmmm? Tell me. I'm dying to know.
Would you use your infallible re-education methods on them? Would you try and reason with them when they are totally convinced with their own twisted viewpoints and absolutley don't want to hear your side of the story anyway?
You yourself said : "Using methods like this they have created a violent totalitarian atmosphere that no sane or civilized person would want to live in."
That brings me back to the fact that when you live in hell, you turn into a demon, you can't be an angel amongst demons or you will be burned to a crisp.
It's like someone who has never been to Mars describing how magnificent the red planet is, when they're looking at it through the hubble observatory, millions of miles away.
No offense, but you sound like someone who has not fully realized how completely sinister and malicious islam is.
Maybe you didn't witness enough in your brief time in Iran, I don't know.
I could go on forever but I'll stop here and give you time to respond.
-Storm |
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:40 pm Post subject: Muslim Peoblem |
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| Chopping off the frontal part of the Muslims' penises is a perfectly, kosher, Muhammad approved method of making a perfect Muslim. But they do not know how much to chop off. Let us hire hundreds of high salaried penis choppers, not like the Anglo-Saxon, Jewish doctors of USA. They will then chop off three inches instead of half an inch. That will solve the Muslim problem forever. What do you say, Mullah Mo etc.? |
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Ibn Rushd
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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meghnad6:Stop the penis diatribe! Yeesh!  |
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Unknown 379
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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My initial post was semi-sarcastic, half-serious, I'm surprised noone caught that.
So don't take it too seriously like Amprebia & Adnan did.
It was mostly just me ranting, letting off a little steam and showing some twisted humor. 
-Storm |
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Mullah Mo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Storm wrote: | | My initial post was semi-sarcastic, half-serious, I'm surprised noone caught that. |
yeah, yeah we know, we know!! If it looks like you ment what you said above, you'd probably get a warning. LOL....
You might even gotten band, like SOTT/Mohammed/Mohammed1/Akbar 1.4 billion........Can you imagine those were the same guy??
I mean, what a pathetic guy this was. He kept changing names just so he can come back here. I guess some people just don't get it. He doesn't understand the word "GET LOST". LOL.... What major loser he was.
Beware of wolves among us. They maybe wearing sheep clothing but are raving wolves inside. You may judge them by their posts. |
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Mazdak
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Storm wrote: |
It was mostly just me ranting, letting off a little steam and showing some twisted humor.
-Storm |
Dude you should be in the movie business. |
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adnan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | So don't take it too seriously like Amprebia & Adnan did.
It was mostly just me ranting, letting off a little steam and showing some twisted humor. |
well, you are new to this board, Storm, your post about Egypt was all serious so... all current data shows that you are a serious person .
anyway, yea.. get those electric chairs rolling.. Abudosama already wrote a post of protest about what you wrote... you can now try to prove to him you didnt mean it, heh. |
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Unknown 214
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to stop Islam, you need to curtail two things:
(1) High birthrate among Muslims
(2) High conversion rates
You can curtail (1) by educating poor muslims, educating muslim women, and making them financially independent.
You can curtail (2) by information dissemination to non-muslims about what Islam is really about. Sites like FFI, secularislam.org are great sources of information. It is upto us all to get people to these websites. (Get two new people to this website every week. That should do it. Such is the power of geometric progression. )
Here is what some conjecture could be the fate of Britain if they do not get their act together.
| Quote: | | Islam is the fastest growing religion in Britain. From none fifty years ago, the number of followers of Islam in the UK is now approaching three million. It is already likely that more Muslims attend mosques in the UK than native Britons go to church on Sundays. More and more Muslims speak openly of the day when Britain is turned Islamic as a result of immigration, the high Muslim birthrate and conversions. |
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| Quote: | | There is no appeasing this religion or its fanatical followers, who believe that they can turn Britain into an Islamic Republic by 2025. |
Reference: http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/aame/aame0126.htm
In reality, France is much closer.
| Quote: | | In France... the result was no different. In May 2003, the French interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, organized elections for a Representative Council of French Muslims. The Islamists of the UOIF (Union des Organisations Islamistes de France) won over 40 percent of the votes. |
http://www.cdfe.org/islamization_of_france.htm |
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Ampbreia
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Listen Mr. Stormy Weather,
I can well appreciate that you still live in the Hell that I no longer do; moreover that you have had a far deeper taste of it than I have. I can understand your rage. My reaction to the abuse and disrespect I experienced from males in Iran because I was American and female was such that I left there with a rage towards males in general that was beyond all proportion. Even once safe back in the States, I was threatening and violently disposed towards ALL males unlucky enough to cross my path or, worse, strayed into my direct territory - worse yet if they were Middle-Eastern. I will say that those few who were actually injured or experienced life-threatening situations as a result, did indeed happen to deserve it. What worries me about this is that luck or fear alone may have saved those who didn't deserve it. My sense of discrimination, at that time, was being completely overruled by blind rage. It took me a few years before I started thinking rationally again and realize that all males were not my personal enemies - quite the contrary.
Sarcastic or not, you have obviously been traumatized and are still in a state of blind rage. Your environment is such that either feeds blind rage or totally desensitizes. But ask yourself, your rational self: if the tables could be turned on your oppressors, would you really want to perpetuate that environment?
When you write:
| Quote: | I have a solution, unorthodox as it may be, to completely change muslims into peace loving, docile creatures. Forget the ones that explode, they are beyond any hope of salvation....
Gather muslims from all walks of life into a movie theatre with a 10,000 person capacity.... |
you are obviously not being discriminating. You're not talking about the Muslims that threaten you personally or, for that matter, are threatening others. No. You're talking about ALL of them except the most truly dangerous, "the ones that explode."
I can understand the laying low of those who personally attack or threaten you. That would be self-defense, pure and simple. But attacking all others would wrong. Hitler has a problem with some Jew in his life, he starts killing ALL of them. The Serbs have a problem with some Bosnian Muslims, they start killing ALL of them. There have been many examples of this behavior throughout history. It is NEVER a good thing for ANY society.
There is a video on this site of an appostate being executed in one of Islamic nations. They stick a long, sharpened stick up him and then perch him on it in their town square as it peirces up through his back. He dies in the worst agony imaginable. It wasn't until the stick pierced his upper back, that I realized exactly what was happening to him. Before that, I was just wondering what had happened to the stick, too shocked to notice it was still there. At that point, I almost threw up I was so horrified and revolted. The image that sticks with me the most, though, was that the crowd gathered around this man was cheering and clapping happily away, shouting, "Allah-ho-Akbar!" no less. They were the quintessential de-sensitized people.
My first reaction after the nausea? I considered that someone like me could enter that crowd hiding a gas mask under her burkha and drop a cannister of poisonous gas to kill that entire savage crowd and give a mercy to the dying man. The dying man excepted, it would be like killing cockroaches. BUT STOP THERE. That is not a rational mind at work, but only blind and senseless rage. Those people are diseased by a diet of trauma and hatred. There are millions more like them, most of which do not deliberately harm or kill others. We need to be contemplating curing them; not making them worse. They experience violence and torture on a daily basis. Muslims are often the first victims of this, from other Muslims (the ones that take Koran most literally). Violence and torture will only make them worse. I can see incarcerating, even executing, those who are deliberately harmful to others - those who commit crimes against humanity and "the ones that explode," for instance, but the others can be and must be treated with humanity in order to learn humanity. Otherwise both victor and vanquished alike are trapped together in a violent cycle. That's all I was trying to say.
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Unknown 379
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Stormy Weather, I like that
Hey I never said I was perfect, I have my demons, I'd like to think I keep them in check pretty well most of the time.
Anyway, Ampbreia, I doubt you have seen the movie or read the book, if you did, you'd understand better what I was trying to say.
However I understand what you're saying.
-Storm |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | It was mostly just me ranting, letting off a little steam and showing some twisted humor.
-Storm |
We sympathize, but remember, these types of threads do make FFI look bad. Please remember that in the future.
With your permission, Mr. Storm, I'll move this thread into the hidden folder.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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