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Scandinavian infidel
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 Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:39 am Post subject: Can Europe still be saved from an Islamic Big Bang? |
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With the current Islamic immigration still going strong, and muslims immigrants with much higher birth rates than native Europeans, can Europe still avoid huge problems and ethnic tensions further down the road? Reading the news coming out of my own Continent these days, I sometimes fear the answer may be "no". Am I being too pessimistic, or am I reading the trends correctly?
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 9:11 am Post subject: Europe |
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| If the European countries do not stop Muslim immigration immediately and if the European countries do not send some of the Muslims already there back to where they came from, then Europe's future is bleak to say the least. After fighting with Christianity over the centuries, Europeans have lost all sense of religion. They are stupid in this area. They will pay for their stupidity, if not already paying for it. Human history is a history of stupid peoples suffering at the hands of scavengers. |
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agentazure
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Location: Mobile, AL
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| bread wrote: | There is a simple solution: each European couple must have 3 children minimum. And it must start with you.
Unless you are willing to make the choices and sacrifices that entails, you have no right to complain about your demise. (that is because you as a group are commiting suicide; unless you want to stop it, dont expect outsiders to stop you from exterminating yourselves)
I did have a discussion along these lines with Crottinger. Please search for it. If you find it, post the link here, because I gave him a very detailed practical solution about solving this thing. (I have no idea how to find it, so I am asking someone more computer savy) |
Bread is right. I'll dig up the article about the European's crisis of confidence that has made them unwilling to take on the responsibility of raising childrens. The birth rates of native Europeans are not at a rate to sustain the population while the non-assimilating Muslim immigrants are having double and triple the rates the natives have. This is going to create problems in many ways. For one thing, the much more socialist governments will have difficulty sustaining itself with a swelling aging population and a youthful population that is disdainful of the culture and the government. Also, at the rate they're going, Islamic culture will dominate European culture and eventually get swallowed up.
Europeans must overcome their reticence to starting and raising a family or else they will die out and rich European culture will be a thing of the past.
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everybee
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I think if (more) Hispanics (from Mexico, Central and South America) and non-Muslim Asians immigrated to Europe they would benefit Europe a lot. They have a strong work ethic and also like to set up small shops and stores everywhere as well as reproduce faster than European decendents (including in the USA). Hispanics are also good construction workers, too. Hispanic and Asian populations are increasing at a faster rate compared to both the non-Hispanic white population and black population in the USA. Non-Hispanic white people are a minority in California, now. I see a lot of South Korean immigrants working in stores, restaurants, gas stations, etc. |
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agentazure
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Hispanic and Asian populations are increasing at a faster rate compared to both the non-Hispanic white population and black population in the USA. Non-Hispanic white people are a minority in California, now. I see a lot of South Korean immigrants working in stores, restaurants, gas stations, etc. |
That's another good solution. Close the doors to Muslim immigration and open the doors to Asian/South American. They want to do well and get along with others. They also are proud of their own culture, but do not reject their hosts country's culture.
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:04 pm Post subject: Future of Europe |
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| Inspite of the whites'(of European origin) understanding of science, technology, literature etc. those whites do not understand the power of the groin of the Muslims. That is a problem for the mankind. Japanese, Indians and other non-Muslims of the world have fallen into the same trap that the Europeans have for quite some time. Muslims must be culled in order to make the world a safe planet. |
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Susan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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http://afr.com/articles/2003/09/19/1063625209697.html
Europe takes in Latino immigrants. Go Latino, Europeans!
| Quote: | | Muslims must be culled in order to make the world a safe planet. |
Is this a call for some kind of "Final Solution"?   If so you should know that such calls are in violation of the Terms of Service for the forum.
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adnan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'm seeing this meghan the 2nd time saying hateful stuff against general Muslims. Previously, (s)he said here:
| Quote: | | Islam needs to be eradicated by killing Muslims as many as needed. Massive bloodbath is the only solution. |
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:33 pm Post subject: Islam and Muslim |
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Bread and Adanan say that they hate Islam but they love Muslims.
What is Islam without the Muslims? What are Muslims without Islam? These two self-proclaimed ex-Muslims are playing tricks with semantics.
Islam and Muslim are two peas in the same pod. One can not exist without the other. If you want to get rid of Islam, you need to get rid of the Muslims. It is as simple as that, my friends. |
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Ampbreia
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What is Islam without the Muslims? What are Muslims without Islam? |
Islam is the disease the afflicts the minds of Muslims. Muslims are therefore the ones who have the disease. We don't want to kill them; we want to cure them by erradicating the disease. Muslims are people the same as anyone else. They are people first, last and always. But yes, if the social-psychotic disease called Islam is eradicated, then there will be no more Muslims; only people who used to be Muslim.
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Scandinavian infidel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Islam and Muslim |
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| meghnad6 wrote: | | If you want to get rid of Islam, you need to get rid of the Muslims. It is as simple as that. |
Did we get rid of Ali Sina or Ibn Warraq? What about Adnan, Egyptian kafir and the others here?
I'm starting to get a little bit tired of your violent rhetoric. So are others here. Shape up if you want to stay at this forum.
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adnan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Bread and Adanan say that they hate Islam but they love Muslims.
What is Islam without the Muslims? What are Muslims without Islam? These two self-proclaimed ex-Muslims are playing tricks with semantics.
Islam and Muslim are two peas in the same pod. One can not exist without the other. If you want to get rid of Islam, you need to get rid of the Muslims. |
Meghan,
I have muslim family in Pakistan. What should I do? |
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:40 pm Post subject: Muslim and Islam |
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Adnan:
I have great respect for many of your ideas that I have read in many forums.
I do not want to be personal and emotional about these issues. You hit me below the belt by saying that you have Muslim family members in Pakistan. I do not want to get into that.
When a bunch of Talibans come to kill you because you do not believe in Islam, what do you do.
Islam and Muslims are both serious problems for the mankind. That is all I am trying to say. |
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:53 pm Post subject: Meghnad |
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Adnan:
Just a little correction. My name is Meghnad, not Meghan. If you wonder where am I from.
Yes I am an Indian. Meghnad is a name from the Hindu Epic . Yes it is a Sanskrit name. I am not Sott as Bread thinks. |
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adnan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You hit me below the belt by saying that you have Muslim family members in Pakistan. I do not want to get into that. |
Meghnad,
Haa. Got you then? Listen man. Islam will be fought by education about true Islam. Fine, muslims and Islam are a big problem but the correct way is not to kill them.. gather your senses together.
Islam will go with education. mass killing of innocent people is not right.. no matter what. there are good muslims i know, i could never even steal a $ from them. Where do you live? do you earn money yourself?
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Robert
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:20 am Post subject: |
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In Britain you can already observe the future of Europe:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1073698,00.html
Probably 30-40 more years from now, at the most, and Britain will be an islamic state with sharia law.
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Spinoza
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Islam and Muslim |
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| meghnad6 wrote: | | Bread and Adanan say that they hate Islam but they love Muslims. |
The same here: I even kissed a Muslim this week. Some of my best friends are Muslims and some of my relatives have muslims in their family: all of them are some of the nicest most loving people.
| Quote: | | What is Islam without the Muslims? |
A thing of the past.
| Quote: | | What are Muslims without Islam? |
Well, they would still be cultural muslims and there a lot of self proclaimed muslims that I do not regard as my enemy at all. Some of the nicest people I know are muslims. Of course this doesn't make there Quran less of an idiotic book nor Mahomet less of a diabolic fraud.
| Quote: | These two self-proclaimed ex-Muslims are playing tricks with semantics.
Islam and Muslim are two peas in the same pod. One can not exist without the other. If you want to get rid of Islam, you need to get rid of the Muslims. It is as simple as that, my friends. |
Oh shut up, Sott or whoever you are. Your Nazi style endloesing rethoric will fall on deaf ears here. Shape up or get lost. |
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M
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Meghnad has been warned. |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Islam and Muslim |
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| meghnad6 wrote: | Bread and Adanan say that they hate Islam but they love Muslims.
What is Islam without the Muslims? What are Muslims without Islam? These two self-proclaimed ex-Muslims are playing tricks with semantics.
Islam and Muslim are two peas in the same pod. One can not exist without the other. If you want to get rid of Islam, you need to get rid of the Muslims. It is as simple as that, my friends. |
Dear Meghnad6,
Your "knee-jerk" reactionary comment is out of line and tantamount to a call for ethnic/cultural/people "cleansing".
You are wrong!
One CAN exist without the other!
The muslim people CAN exist without Islam simply by denouncing Islam and dropping the label which associates these people with islam's doctrine.
Islam will cease to exist due to people being exposed to, and embracing the truth.
This is what FFI is doing with humanitarian compassion and reaching out to help these deceived people from their oppressed state.
WAKE UP! |
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Unknown 330
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:46 pm Post subject: Cultural Muslims |
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For Spinoza and others of similar belief:
Why should they be cultural Muslims without Islam? How could they be?Does not make any sense. They should be cultural Iranians, Iraqi, Afgans, Bengali, Nigerians, etc. Just tell us what are cultural Muslims without Islam. You see, Islam is the most screwed up ideology ever created by the almighty. That is why otherwise intelligent people like some of those ex-Muslims are so f***ed up that they lose their logic while they try to discuss this issue of Islam for a length of time. Just accept the fact that evrything about Islam and Muslim is evil. |
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adnan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You see, Islam is the most screwed up ideology ever created by the almighty. That is why otherwise intelligent people like some of those ex-Muslims are so f***ed up that they lose their logic while they try to discuss this issue of Islam for a length of time. Just accept the fact that evrything about Islam and Muslim is evil. |
Meghan, are you hinting towards me?
You are an indian, arent you. go to the hinduism and sikh forum and see what Indians are doing there and what level of debate they have.
Muslim's faith will become weaker. Their children will lose Islam and not beleive in it.. thats why just education everyone about Islam is ok. Please next time, dont go around saying muslims should be killed. Try to understand and keep your emotions in check. (I know, i've felt like you do at sometimes when angry at Islam, but i dont think like that all the time.. i know the only right way is to educate about Islam).
I asked you, do you earn your own money and where do you live? If you have money, you should spend it against Islam? I can point you to apostates of islam website, they have a page on that. |
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Scandinavian infidel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:40 am Post subject: |
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A good discussion about the topic with this Norwegian blogger:
http://www.bearstrong.net/warblog/000556.html
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