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Unknown 279
Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 172
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:15 am Post subject: Women's Rights? |
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(1) Men's Superiority
(2) Women's Deficiencies
(3) What is a Woman?
(4) Husband's Rights
(5) The Significance of the Marriage Contract
(6) The Significance of the Dowery
(7) Spiritual Standing of Women
The Place of Women in Pure Islam |
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bread Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Excellent Yas! Where are the Muslim apologists now? |
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Karin

Joined: 14 May 2002 Posts: 727 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:12 am Post subject: |
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WOW Yasmin! Jesus Christ, unbelievable (well, not really). Forummers, click on that link and you will get sick. I was shocked at the bald-faced hatred of women. That link is a valuable resource for us! Some excerpts:
WOMEN'S DEFICIENCIES
1. WOMEN ARE DEFICIENT IN INTELLIGENCE AND RELIGION
The intellectual and religious deficiencies of women are stated in the following Hadith found in Sahih al-Bukhari which is considered by Muslim scholars to be "The most authentic book after the Book of Allah (ie. the Qur'an)":[13]
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"[14]
The authenticity of the above Hadith is undisputed. The above Hadith does not describe women only in early Islam, but it is a description for all times
Razi said:
"His saying 'created for you' is a proof that women were created like animals and plants and other useful things, ….For women are not charged with many commands as we are charged, because the woman is weak, silly, in one sense she is like a child, and no commands are laid upon a child, …..
An educated Muslim woman in trying to explain why the testimony of the woman is half that of the man said,
'Woman was made to bear and feed children. Therefore she is very emotional. And she is forgetful, because if she did not forget how it is to give birth she would not have another child. That is why she will not be as reliable a witness as a man."[20]
WHAT IS A WOMAN ?
THE WOMAN IS A TOY
The previously mentioned deficiencies show the woman's inadequacy as a companion for man. Her deficiency in intelligence and religion prevent her from exchanging secular or sacred ideas or participating in religious or related spheres. To what level do these deficiencies reduce the woman?
"'Omar [one of the Khalifs] was once talking when his wife interjected, so he said to her: 'You are a toy, if you are needed we will call you.'"[21]
And 'Amru Bin al-'Aas, also a Khalif, said: "Women are toys, so choose."[22]
This was not just 'Amru Bin al-'Aas and 'Omar's opinions. Mohammad himself said:
'The woman is a toy, whoever takes her let him care for her (or do not lose her)."[23]
So going outside the house is a form of exposure of the 'awrah; a thing that delights the devil.
This is why women are discouraged from going outside the house, even to pray in the mosque, as the following Hadith indicates.
"A woman is closest to God's face, if she is found in the core of her house. And the prayer of the woman in the house is better than her prayer in the mosque."[28]
1. HUSBAND'S DESIRES MUST BE MET AT ONCE
Man's sexual needs are considered so urgent that it is better for food to burn in the oven than a man to burn in waiting for his wife to satisfy his desire. If she refuses, the angels of heaven will turn against her.
"The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven."[38]
(The above Hadith is agreed upon, that is, no scholar doubts its authenticity.)
3. HUSBAND'S RIGHTS ARE DIVINE
Man is thus so elevated that by comparison with the woman, he is placed on a divine level. Her response to him approaches worship. That however, is impossible, as worship belongs to God alone.
Mohammad said:
"Had I ordered anybody to prostrate before any one, I would have ordered women to prostrate before their husbands on account of men's rights over the women ordained by Allah."[47]
It is a noble sacrifice for a man to share his life with the woman as described in Bukhari's sound Ahadith; she being deficient in mind, religion, and gratitude. It is condescension on the part of the man to spend his life with her. She can not repay this favour, no matter what sacrifice she makes.
Indeed, the rights of the husband are so vast that
"If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband's nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, she would still never be able to fulfil his rights over her."[49]
MAN'S PREROGATIVES
1. MAN MAY BEAT AND SEXUALLY DESERT HIS WIFE
The Qur'an states:
"Righteous women are therefore obedient, ... And those you fear may be rebellious (nushuz) admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them."[55]
This beating is the husband's unquestionable right.
"The facts of life, and the psychological observations of certain forms of deviations indicate that this approach (beating the wife) is the most appropriate one to satisfy a particular form of deviation, reforming the behaviour of the person ... and gratifying her ... at the same time!
It is a fact that some mothers deserve the lowest place in hell. It is logical then that Paradise is not under the feet of every mother. The statement "the Garden is under her feet" was said in regard to a particular woman, who probably was known to Mohammad for her uprightness. …..
So while a son is required to give his mother the utmost respect, the husband of this mother still has the right to desert her, and beat her if he "fears rebelliousness" on her part.
2. MEN MAY MARRY UP TO FOUR FREE WOMEN AND HAVE SEX WITH AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF SLAVE GIRLS
A provision is made for men to marry more than one woman as follows:
"Some men have such a compelling sexual desire that one woman is not sufficient to protect them [from adultery]. Such men therefore preferably marry more than one woman and may have up to four wives."[79]
"For if a man purchases a slave girl, the purchase contract includes his right to have sex with her."[80] "This contract is primarily to own her and secondarily to enjoy her sexually."[81]
"Since among Arabs passion is an overpowering aspect of their nature, the need of their pious men to have sex has been found to be the more intense. And for the purpose of emptying the heart to the worship of God they have been allowed to have sex with women slaves if at some time they should fear that this passion will lead them to commit adultery. Though it is true that such action could lead to the birth of a child that will be a slave, which is a form of destruction,...yet enslaving a child is a lighter offence than the destruction of religious belief. For enslaving the new born is a temporary thing but by committing adultery eternity is lost."[82]
Mu'az reported from the messenger of Allah who said:
"A woman does not give trouble to her husband in this world but his wife of the pure-eyed virgin ones [huris] does not say to her: 'Do not give him trouble. May Allah destroy you, He is only a passing guest with you and it is very near that he will soon leave you to come to us'."[95]
Not only on earth, but also in Paradise, the man has considerable sexual enjoyments. He may marry several women on earth, and even when his earthly life is over, he may look forward to having beautiful women in Paradise. He will be able to have up to seventy-two "huris"; he will be given the strength of one hundred men in sex; he will be able to perform sex with great shoving and disturbance, on the other hand, nothing is promised to the woman. She has no assurance of even one man.
Once again, the man has all the advantages and pleasures, while the woman must be perpetually used for his purposes. His is the pleasure - hers the disturbance, in this world and the next.
MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO PREVENT HIS WIFE FROM CARING FOR HER CHILD FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE
The implications of the sexual rights secured by the payment of this dowry extend to affect children of a previous marriage:
"The husband has the right to prevent his wife from looking after and breast feeding her baby, from her previous husband, (if she was living in the husband's house), because that will make her too busy to attend to the husband, and it will affect her beauty and cleanliness, all these are the rights of the husband alone."[133] (Hanafites) _________________ "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of those who would deny us happiness" |
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Crow

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 1098 Location: Scarborough, Maine
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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*Shudder shudder*
-First feels disgust and horror, then it slowly evolves into rage-
Who the hell do these people think they are!?!? Sexist bastards. How narrow minded...ugh. Sickening. _________________
KAMIKAZE WATERMELON!
Fischerspooner is weird..but cool |
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Unknown 214
Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 58
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:09 am Post subject: Muslim men's fetish - Attack muslim women with acid |
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| Quote: | | Last year a report by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said: "Particularly alarming was the soaring rate of cases of mutilation by the pouring of acid over women, in a crime that acted to scar them permanently, both physically and emotionally." |
Reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3097469.stm
You may think that this is a Pakistani fetish. Nope. It is more accurate to call it a muslim fetish.
Similar incidents happened to Muslim women in Bangladesh and India.
| Quote: | | An apparent hardline group called Lashkar-e-Jabbar took responsibility for the attacks, saying they were part of a campaign to impose an Islamic dress code on women. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1487395.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1484145.stm
In Bangladesh:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1861157.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1791513.stm
Who commits these crimes?
Apparently, jilted husbands and lovers. Also, against women fleeing forced arranged marriages.
| Quote: | | Six Bangladeshi women, who received horrific injuries in acid attacks by angry husbands or jilted lovers, have returned home to an emotional welcome after plastic surgery in Spain. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/401093.stm
| Quote: | | Acid violence is a relatively recent phenomenon, with the first documented acid violence case occurring in 1967. Victims are attacked for many reasons, such as for spurning the sexual advances of predatory males or rejecting marriage proposals. Recently, however, children, older women and sometimes men have been attacked in the course of family or land disputes, vengeance, and dowry demands. |
http://bicn.com/ezine/features/lifeinbgd/acidsurvivors.htm |
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Unknown 330
Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 9:35 am Post subject: Muslim women's rights |
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| How are the Muslim Women's rights going to be protected when the Muslims are losing their penises in such alarming number in various countries of the world? It does not matter whether the Muslims have their testicles left in tact after they lose their penises. |
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mughal200
Joined: 16 Feb 2002 Posts: 485
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hey fellow infidels,
will you please not use bad words because we may at times have to refere muslims to read this stuff over here. Try to control yourselves and do not show your emotions this way, instead think of elaborating on the stuff in a way that muslims may find convincing.
So I would humbally request that people edit their posts to make them free of bad words. Please do keep this in mind for the future as well if you do not mind.
Thank you and _________________ All the best, from Mughal at
http://www.muslimsandislamic2.faithweb.com
http://www.religionandsecularism3.gq.nu |
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