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 Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:17 pm Post subject: Love in islam - Romanticism |
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These are parts of book found on site of Harun Yahya: Romanticism: A weapon of Satan. You may find it on his site. Some of writings there can explain few things...
| Quote: | | [...] According to the Qu'ran, love is to be shown to those who deserve it. Those who do not deserve it are not to be loved. We are even to distance ourselves from them emotionally, or, at least, to not feel inclined towards them. But those who deserve love, deserve it because of their virtue.[...] |
Hmmm, that tells something about why it is so easy for someone to kill own family in name of honour. Maybe they just don't deserve to be loved.. 
| Quote: | | [...]Sentimentality is a spiritual disease latent in every member of atheistic or pagan societies, though it generally tends to affect people differently; some people being more emotional than others.[...] |
Sentimentality = disease.. so sad... 
| Quote: | | [...]Sentimentality robs a person of his sense of reality. [...] Instead of reason and logic, he chooses emotion; and instead of reality, he chooses dreams and fantasies. Therefore, it is impossible to engage in conversation or discourse with him; he can neither offer nor take any guidance or advice. In actuality, sentimentality is a mild form of the mental disorder that psychiatrists call "schizophrenia." [...]As we can see, emotional individuals are not people who can use their minds to produce solutions to problems; they cannot lead people. On the contrary, because they themselves need to be led or looked after, they become a burden to others.[...] |
Now this is reason why women cannot be leaders, they are just too emotional... and they are burden, so that's why they should be obedient and grateful to their husbands for bearing such burden... 
| Quote: | | [...]In men, a sentimental nature may, with the passing of time, reach further degrees of deviance: it may cause serious mental health problems, effeminate behaviour, sexual impropriety and may give rise to homosexual tendencies.[...] |
Sentimental men.. effeminate behaviour, homosexual tendencies. I think this person who's written that stuff has serious mental health problems. 
| Quote: | | [...]One of the most common forms of sentimentality in society today is the notion of romantic love.[...] |
After all criticism of sentimentalism, now it's clear. Romantic love according to writer is a disease. 
| Quote: | | [...]In this romantic understanding of love, the "lovers" show to each other all the duties that should be directed toward God, and they show to each other those feelings that should be reserved for God, as if they had an existence apart from Him. These individuals, instead of keeping God in mind, think only of each other. When they first open their eyes in the morning, instead of thanking their Creator for the new day, they think of each other, seeking to please only each other, not to please God. They are willing to sacrifice themselves for each other, but not for God.[...] |
Oh bad people! How do they dare to love each other and sacrifice themselves for each other! ufff... Don't they know that god wants all their love for himself? 
| Quote: | | [...]In short, directing one's feelings of adoration to anyone other than God, or to any one of His creatures, is a critical cause leading to "idolatry." As for believers, as we said earlier, they adore only God, though they recognise in their fellow-believers, and in creation, the manifestation of His qualities. They love only for the sake of God.[...] |
Does anyone believe still in unconditional love of true muslim believer?
It's not end of book yet, but i am too tired now to read more.
Generally it doesn't look optimistic. In my opinion emotions is what makes difference between human being and machine. Can you imagine art without sentimentalism? without emotions? How poor the world would be without it..
Wish you all some emotions in your life. Be sentimental at least from time to time!  |
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adnan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Romantic love according to writer is a disease. |
very nice point.... so he's criticisng it because romantic love is more appreciated and practiced by females. .and he think its a female quality - the article just wants to prove that women are inferior and says "womenly things such as romantic love and sentimentality are also inferior"
(i have talked about women wanted to be loved and cared for before, but thats a different reasoning i follow, but i'd like others to take this up with me in that other thread we were talkingm the women rights forum).
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soy yo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | (i have talked about women wanted to be loved and cared for before, but thats a different reasoning i follow, but i'd like others to take this up with me in that other thread we were talkingm the women rights forum). |
Hmm I'm waiting for that to happen....
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adnan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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soy yo, your talking about me should reply to your post? your posts are good! they take time to digest and process  .. no kidding. that subject is a quest for me nowdays until i find solid answers which i can put in my "basket". |
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soy yo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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lol thanks. I am sure of what I think about this, because I have pondered it a lot before, so I can spit out the answer qucker, I guess.
Have you ever heard the phrase "Never keep a woman waiting?" lol, I'm just giving you a hard time.
It IS a real phrase, though, and in my case it's true. If a guy shows up late, (more than once, anyway) that is a pet peeve of mine, it shows he is not respecting the value of my time.
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adnan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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lol.. well.. i'm sorry to keep you waiting then, but know the stuff you gave me is churning in my mind. dont they also say... save the best for the last .. see Muslim hater? see what Islam has done to you?lolll.. talking like Abdullahnoor.
yes so.. maybe the guy came late because he wanted to save you (the best, for him) for the last  just kidding.. i know what you mean. if you respect on-time, they should know that too. |
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