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adnan · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:24 pm Post subject:

Pharell,
get well soon. This post alleged that we apostates were never muslims, and that is the main subject of this post, so please get back to the topic and prove that i was not a muslim when i was a muslim.
the contradictions will be addressed when this matter is resolved.

Adnan
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Cruelty · Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 212

To Pharell
I did pray, and I did miss not prayer.........the same as I miss nicotine now that I have stopped smoking!
It was a crutch, I said words I did not understand knelt before ?????
Maybe I just miss the medatative aspect of it the time to be in my own world.
Losing religion is a difficult thing all of a sudden you are out here and there is nothing above you and nothing below and nothing matters, it is frightening and lonely...... but if it is the truth it has to be dealt with. Just as comming down from any addiction.........

Unknown 192 · Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 33

I have showed this site to a (not so religious) muslim friend to open their eyes to the truth. After reading some posts about wife beating and making some sarcastic comments, he asked me if I thought he would ever leave Islam. I said, "never say never." I have led the horse to water, now how do I make him drink?

adnan · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:37 am Post subject:

he may be joking. ask him does he really doubt Islam? does he really beleive in it? if he's doubtful he can come talk to us apostates here.

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Piggy · Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 835

To Pharell,
This is a cut 'n' paste from a post by Crow Magnon.

"Imam Ash-Shafi`i is of the opinion that if a person shows such laziness in offering Salat that he misses its proper time, then he is liable to make penitence for it. If he does not do so, he should be killed."

So the prayer is obligatory, compulsory and failure to do so without repentance attracts a death sentence.

They are little more than Mohammed's hypno-trance mantra to control the minds and lives of the gullible followers of the false prophet's man made religion.

adnan · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:52 pm Post subject:

yea, then its no use, he hasnt reached any water and you cant make him drink.. lost case.. like a typical muslim. play with him, tell him, if allah's so powerful, he shouldnt mind if anyone calls him 4 letter words.. if he says thats fine, he wont, then abuse allah infront of him to break his will, otherwise say "ha, your allah is weak. look at me, you can call me all kinds of 4 letter words, but i wont mind"

rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

Ami wrote:

bob · Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 370 Location: Paris, France

Piggy,

You say that salaat (prayer) is compulsory and quote CroMagnon concerning the death penalty for non-observance. I remember a Muslim stating to Adnan that he was never a real Muslim because he didn't pray five times a day. This five-times a day praying is considered one of the pillars of Islam and yet NOWHERE in the Quran is it mentioned that the devout Muslim should pray five times a day!

In the Quran there is the Dawn prayer (Salat Al-Fajr ?) the Night Prayer and the Middle Prayer. That's all. Now if "Allah" tells us that he perfected religion in the Quran and also tells us in the Quran that "nothing" has been left out in it, then how come Muslims are adding two extra prayers to what is stipulated in their Holy Book? The five prayers come from a hadith concerning the Miraj.

So the details concerning one of Islam's five pîllars are not found in the Quran - the book that was supposed to make everything clear to believers!

How can any independently minded person who thinks for him or herself take this religion seriously?
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Cruelty · Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 212

Hey bob you have an excellent point about salat but not only about that!
If the quran says "nothign is left out" then why look at Hadiath at all!!!

In case some quran only muslims think this strengthens their case, be warned that most muslims think of them as heritics!

rand · Joined: 28 Jul 2002 Posts: 1752

Dear Ami,

There are different levels of educating him. He could be doing everything in his power to remain insulated and to ignore any form of enlightenment, as you try to persuade him. The next level is where he does not actively take steps to be enlighhtened but he doesn't resist enlightenment. The ideal is where he actively seeks enlightenment. Part of that is to choose times where he is more relaxed, perhaps durng a walk by the beach, or by just creating a relaxed atmosphere.
But you need to really understand someone to get them to not resist or to actively seek enlightenment. An intellectual jihad against FFI could be useful, for an openminded muslim. Another idea is to let him read traditional sites that link to heretical sites. You can actively seek to learn about Islam, and you can start out with softball questions, gradually increasing the questions in intensity.
But undermining Islam can be supersubtle, if you take the time to think about presenting a message.
One needs a certain infrastructure to be able to see outside the box. Muslims can think much more objectively regarding non-Islamic issues then when religion is involved. Islam has logical fallacies, if you informally taught someone logic, where Islam is not being threatened, they will agree with your logic. So if you point out a logical problem with Judaism or Christianty, or with work, etc. they will get it and agree with you. If you teach him empathy, openmindedness, etc. he might agree with you. By giving enough clues, he would have a better chance of figuring it out himself or you'll make it easier to convince him in the future.

Best regards,
Rand

Abu Lahab · Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 67 Location: USA

Back to the original question...
Yes, back when i was a muslim, I did do my 5 daily salat. Never missed one salat, from 7th grade til my 4th year in college...NOT ONE...I kept this secret between me and allah, I was soo proud of it...I thought I would do this until I met allah on youmalqiama, and see how proud allah would be of me. after I left islam I still prayed because I loved it...and couldn't stop it...it was a strong habit I had from childhood...
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