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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heresy can make sense., Mr. Jinnah and Pakisthan
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http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html .. Sunday October 12, 2003 by Iqbal Mustafa
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.......There was a time when Mr. Jinnah was a common mortal. Some people revered him and some were sceptical of his stature. He belonged to the routine part of life. You could criticise him or even poke fun at him. Maudoodi wrote about him, "Not a single leader of the Muslim League from Jinnah himself to the rank and file has an Islamic mentality or Islamic habits of thought, or looks at political and social problems from the Islamic viewpoint Their ignoble role is to safe-guard merely the material interest of the Indian Muslims by every possible political manoeuvre or trickery." These are words dipped in arsenic, which certainly could not be used today to describe our Quaid-i-Azam.


A very interesting point from the author is to think over the following about Indian subcontinet

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...More than that, I wonder how a region of the world which is notoriously distinguished for violating women rights produced the first, and the most number of women prime ministers - Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Traditions of heredity do not explain this quite satisfactorily.


One should realize this is very unique to the Indian subcontinent and its traditional people living over there 1000s of years.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.paknews.com/videoNews.php?id=133&date1=2002-07-21

let us hear Imran and the former foreign minister of Pakisthan about Pak-India and Pakisthan democracy problems..

if we carefully analyze, what these two do not realize and do not discuss is the Role of religion ISLAM in politics in so-called Muslim countries. They do not realize is that Islamic quest, Islam and democracy are diametrically opposing concepts.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"With best compliments to an artist of a politician Laloo saheb," wrote Musharraf in his autograph. And Musharraf is the biggest artist of a politician of Indian subcontinent

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"Our visit to India would not have been complete without paying a visit to Laloo saheb who is the best ambassador India could have for forging a lasting bond of friendship with Pakistan.

India is fortunate to have a son like Laloo saheb," Khan, leader of the six-member Pakistani delegation which is currently in India at the invitation of the British Council, told reporters..


I am glad he is Not FROM Pakiathan.... 20 More Laloo's from India will take down India back to only 200 years, But 20 More Laloo's from Pakisthan and WITH ISLAM on top of it will take down Pakisthan back to 2000 years ....He is better for Bollywood film Industry..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeezevee wrote:
http://www.paknews.com/videoNews.php?id=133&date1=2002-07-21

let us hear Imran and the former foreign minister of Pakisthan about Pak-India and Pakisthan democracy problems..

if we carefully analyze, what
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these two do not realize and do not discuss is the Role of religion ISLAM in politics in so-called Muslim countries
. They do not realize is that Islamic quest, Islam and democracy are diametrically opposing concepts.

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Like good Muslims, they either have to praise Islam or abstain from saying anything that they consider bad for the reputation of Islam.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Councillor shot dead;
http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/index.html

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KARACHI: Three persons including a UC councillor were shot dead in separate incidents, while another lost their lives in traffic accidents on Tuesday, police said.

UC councillor M Ayub (40), resident of Pak-Muslim Burma Colony, was going on his Vespa with along with his friend Mustafa alias Mosi when unknown motorcyclists fired at them near Machchar Colony.

Ayub, husband of two wives and father of 11 children[received six bullets and died on the spot, ....

Athar Rashed Butt, Town Police Officer (TPO) Keamari told The News that the deceased was a man of ill repute in the locality and was also involved in 23 criminal cases.


That is the situation in the Land of Pure, A couniclor, A little Local politician, A 40 year old guy with two wives and 11 children...What one would expect with other men without education..4 wives and 20 children?? what do the children do now... Madrassa schools?.. and Jihadi training??... And that is The Land of PURE..


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pakistan's friendship with Saudi Arab higher than Hemalya: Rashid
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ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister of Information Shaikh Rashid Saturday welcomed visit of the Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz to Pakistan who is scheduled to arrive Pakistan today.

He said Pakistan's friendship with Saudi Arab is higher than Hemalya as people of Pakistan love Saudi Arab.


Such an idiots, who can not speak few good words are the Ministers in the Land of Pure.. What an information minister..

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://frontierpost.com.pk/topstories.asp#22 october 18, 2003

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F.P. Report ISLAMABAD:.... Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was the keynote speaker in a high-powered discussion on the Islamic world at Harvard University Friday. In her keynote address was on how the Islamic world views the USA today compared to how Americans might view themselves.

She was also asked to comment on Iraq, the Palestinian issue, the Middle East, Indo Pak relations and the outlook for the women’s role in Islamic societies. After Bhutto’s address, a panel discussion took place with nationally recognised intellectuals of the United States.

Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto is one of the most well known graduates of Harvard University and it surprised many observers when a former Law Minister told the Supreme Court that she was not a graduate.

Later General Musharraf also made the same claim. Although Mohtarma’s degree certificate was seized in a raid on her Father’s house at 70 Clifton during the days of General Zia’s military dictatorship, she was able to obtain a copy of the degree in time for the General Elections. Subsequently another law was passed to prevent her from contesting. Mohtarma Bhutto is also an honorary doctorate from Harvard University. She was granted the honorary doctorate in 1989 when she was a commencement speaker.


what this guy seem not to understand is, TO CONTEST ELECTIONS IN THE LAND OF PURE UNDER THAN BANNER OF ISLAMIC ARMY, you need be a graduate from Madrasa Higher education centers, NOT FROM HRAVARD..

Here is where you need get your degree.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6550&sid=c8b177c13c4950cbf887dc510b4dec87

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pakisthan., ISLAM, The obscenity factor, and the parellel to the Kingdom Of Rabbits... Indeed Masood Hasan rightly points out the pit falls of Sex obsessed Islamic culture....

The obscenity factor.. ; Masood Hasan
Sunday October 19, 2003., http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/index.html


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It is now difficult to decide what is more vulgar — the debate on
vulgarity that seems to occupy a primary place in the thinking of most Pakistani men or the display of what is really vulgar that goes unchecked. Women continue to be at the receiving end of what passes for society here. Getting bumped off in honour killings or dancing sans clothes for the pleasure of a village full of lustful men, jirgas included or gang-raped by a dozen or more for some offence committed by their men folk, are routine matters.

The government gets the shakes even contemplating the Hadood Ordinance. Justice from here is just as likely as snowballs dancing in hell. The smearing of billboards is on again. The clerics start frothing at the mouth and their eyes pop out of their holy sockets when they see these billboards. Who says advertising doesn’t work?
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This country is obsessed with vulgarity and obscenity. Every a two-bit administrator has added his two bits to it. Officials pontificate on it endlessly. Our very existence depends on whether a woman bares her arms or not. While serious issues remain serious, it is the non-issues that drive us and madden the faithful who are enraged, angered, outraged and driven bananas every few days. I doubt other than the kingdom of rabbits has a society been so caught up in matters concerning sex. It is a national disease and all the men are infected.


.. It was Ziaul Haq who shook up our libidos. He helped us discover our latent caste system just like the Hindus and made the pre-fix or post-fix on our names important. We also discovered that there are no less than six dozen sects in Islam and it is good thinking to eliminate at least one if not all....

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The debate over vulgarity will drag on just like the ridiculous debate about ‘Indian’ channels. In the wake of public appeals funded by vested groups, refuge has once again been taken behind our ‘values’ and how vulgar Indian ‘culture’ is threatening our nationhood. Actually it is all about protecting personal business interests. ...


read it all in the news paper....

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The House Wife Speaks out. And Intellectuals of Pakisthan...??

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Gory Tale of How Top Army Generals Have Let Us Down
By Nighat Yasmeen

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It is an undeniable reality that the military in general and army in particular has eaten up the very roots of this poor nation. Of course, there are some good exceptions. I agree. In PAF more than army. But almost entire (over 90%) high command of the army, and 70 – 80% of the air force and navy are modern day looters in ceremonial dresses – squarely responsible for the destruction of the institutions. And there are people who call them honest and good for stability. Think yourself, are these faggots capable of anything more than selling (and buying) souls and zameer (if they have any themselves)?

Indian military must be more corrupt than the Pakistani one. The prime difference between these two rival forces however is that in the latter case loot-mar has been sanitized and made a part of the salary package. In India the prime minister uses indigenous car, named 'Ambassador', while Pakistani generals have fleets of armor-plated bulletproof German limousines not in use of even their German and French counterparts.

****The FOOT NOTE is GOOD TO READ****..........................

Like all (West) Pakistanis I had always believed, as taught in the school, that erstwhile East Pakistanis were traitors. Never were we told about the ghastly part our uniformed messiahs played in that tragedy. In short, the fairy tales of the grandiose accomplishments and utter infallibility of our armed forces hypnotized me, like most of the fellow compatriots. Reasons behind why Pakistani youth are more interested in killing and dying than in living never bothered me.
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Believe me, it was like the entire world tumbling down on you. It was like discovering that the person you had always adored and idolized is in fact a callous pedophile, a merciless rapist. I definitely don’t have any doubts about the imperfection of my analysis. On the contrary, no one would be happier than me on this earth if someone could refute what I have finally started seeing, reading, discerning (and writing). From the bottom of my heart I wish that someone could give me back the Pak-Fauj, I used to so dearly love; the military I used to so deeply revere.

The writer is a houswife living in Sargodha, Pakistan, a base of Pakistan Air Force.., read it all at http://www.satribune.com/archives/oct26_nov1_03/opinion_yasmeen.htm

Pakisthan will be much better off, if it is governed by the woman folk..

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Eye Opening Article by Farrukh Saleem

Knowledge deficit in Arab world; What really went wrong in the Arab world?

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Saudi Arabia’s oil exports over 1975-1997 period earned the Kingdom a colossal US$1 trillion. That is the equivalent of what 140 million Pakistanis will export in 125 years. In 1982, Saudi Arabia’s external surplus stood at US$180 billion. World oil reserves are estimated to be around a trillion barrels. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, UAE and Kuwait have close to 600 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, 60 percent of the planet’s. What then are the deficits in the Arab World?

On 20 October 2003, Dr Rima Khalf Hunaidi, UN Assistant Secretary General and Director of the Regional Bureau for Arab States, launched the 2nd Arab Human Development Report. According to Dr Hunaidi, the beginning of the 3rd millennia has thrown out a series of challenges for the Arab world. These include: “Islam has been the target of an unjust wave of provocation; Israeli army has reoccupied almost the entire Palestinian Territories; Iraq fell under an occupation; and Arabs and Muslims have faced arrest and arbitrary detention without trial or charge.”

What really went wrong in the Arab world? Answer: Knowledge deficit.

Knowledge has now become the defining line between what is the developed West and what is Arab. Knowledge is the defining line between “capability and powerlessness and between human fulfilment and frustration.”
..... There are 270 million Arabs, some 5 percent of the world population, but all these Arabs have produced less than 1 percent of books currently in circulation. .... The entire Arab world can claim less than 35,000 ‘scientists’. The United States of America has 1.1 million scientists; Japan has 700,000. For the 20-year period commencing in 1980, Saudi Arabia registered 171 patents while Israel registered 7,652 patents.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Jordan, Tunisia, Algeria, Djibouti, Sudan, Syria and Somalia all put together have less than 150 universities among them (the entire Arab world has 184 universities). India has 8,407, the US 5,758, Japan 1,223 and France 1,062. The percentage of population in Saudi Arabia enrolled in tertiary education stands at 19.59 percent while the same ratio in Israel is 41.75 percent. In Saudi Arabia a mere 4.67 percent of the population has a university degree. In Israel the same percentage stands at 19.65 percent. As a consequence, high technology exports (as percentage of total exports) in Israel are at 29 percent, Saudi Arabia 0.3 percent, Pakistan 1 percent, and India 5 percent.

Whatever little knowledge is actually produced by Arabs in the Arab world is “subject to many restrictions. Censorship and political red lines, whether explicit or tacit, frequently interfere with free expression and enquiry…”

Imagine, 270 million Arabs in 22 different countries and the standard published number of any given novel or short story collection ranges between 1,000 and 3,000 copies. A book that sells 5,000 copies is considered a bestseller. As far as translation of books is concerned, the aggregate total of translated books from the “ Al-Ma’moon era to the present day amounts to 10,000 books – equivalent to what Spain translates in a single year.”

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Arab mass media has some serious shortcomings. To begin with, 53 newspapers per 1,000 people in the Arab countries as opposed to 285 in the developed world. Second, Arab citizens do not “generate a large demand for newspapers due to low literacy”. .......

Almost all Arab mass media have the following six characteristics. First, “legalised restrictions on freedom of the press.” Second, “authority heavily controls the media discourse, imposing its own topics, directives, values, details, preferences, and timing.” Third, the “discourse mostly excludes the other point of view, keeping it away from the public mind.” Fourth, the majority of “Arab media institutions are incapable of taking action or reporting on events until they receive official direction, even if this entails ignoring an important event for a certain period of time. This of course discredits the media in the eyes of its audience.” Fifth, in “many cases, a sacred aura is bestowed on the discourse, one that might not exist in other regions. ...................

Access to Internet is fast becoming the new measure of knowledge dissemination. In the entire Arab world a meagre 1.6 percent of the population has access to Internet. There are less than 18 computers per 1,000 Arabs versus the global average of 78.3.

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The ummah somehow incorrectly believes that Arabs are growing richer. They are not. In 1970, the average per capita income in the Arab world was 50 percent of the per capita income in East Asia. Arab per capita income today is 15 percent of the per capita income in East Asia.

Arabs have produced a lot of oil but little or no knowledge. In effect, very little knowledge production, extremely limited knowledge acquisition and one-dimensional knowledge dissemination. The huge knowledge deficit has in turn kept anti-developmental regimes in power.


read it all at http://www.thefridaytimes.com/

*****Arabs have produced a lot of oil but little or no knowledge. In effect, very little knowledge production, extremely limited knowledge acquisition and one-dimensional knowledge dissemination. The huge knowledge deficit has in turn kept anti-developmental regimes in power.***

Now I have a problem here dear Saleem. You see, the Oil IS NOT PRODUCED BY THE ARABS... it happened to be there and Oil formation around this Arabian Peninsula took billions of years way down the ground and is nothing to do with Arabs and the messenger Mr. Mohammad. The next that has not addressed in this article is the core problem. That is ISLAM INDUCED POWER STRUCTURE .. It is grabbed by the Feudal class in the name God, the Arabian God Allaha, that never allows the common to choose what is best for him and for the society he is living with because he is stuck with a single book that is not going to fit for all times...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

British visas for criminal Mullahas

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According to Nawa-e-Waqt magazine, the British high commission in Britain was liberal with visas for all kinds of dubious clerics in Pakistan who went to the UK and busied themselves in all kinds of undesirable activities. One Hafiz Chishti father of eleven children molested a girl in Birmingham while pretending to teach her the Quran in her house. He was now behind bars. In South Hall another maulvi Ghulam Rasul was caught making blue films with girls he was supposed to teach the Quran to.



That is one would expect from Q'uranic preachers.., not just from Pakisthan.. from all over the world....
from ., http://www.thefridaytimes.com/

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life Of Women Maids Who Work For Defence Baboos
it is same as working for Shaiks of Beharan...Kill Your self...

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KARACHI, Nov 17: At least five people, including two women, lost their lives on Monday to police high-handedness in different cases. Two of them died in police custody allegedly under torture.

A mother of three children, Bilquees, died in police custody on Monday evening. Police claimed that the 25-year-old woman died when she hanged herself in a lock-up. However, her family members said that she had been beaten to death by the police.

Bilquees's sister Zebu said the victim had worked as a maid at a bungalow in the Defence Housing Authority. She added that her employers had wanted her to work whole days, but she declined. Angry at her refusal, her employers lodged a theft complaint against her with the police, Zebu said, adding that her sister had been picked up by the police despite the fact that she had been innocent. She said that the five-member family of Bilquees had also been detained.

Zebu, who hails from Hasilpur in the Bahawalpur district, said some family members had been released afterwards. She insisted that Bilquees could not commit suicide because she was devoted to her children: a four-year-old daughter, a two-year-old daughter and a nine-month-old son.

Civil Lines ASP Omar Shahid Hamid said he did not know whether other family members of the woman had been picked up. "Being a woman prisoner, she was handed over to the women's police station on Nov 11. She had been there since then," he said.

Mr Hamid said the allegations of the family were false. He said: "It is not a custodial death. There is concrete evidence which suggests that Bilquees committed suicide in the lock-up," he said.


And Musharraf BABU, 'Why did you send your son to the US and not to Kargil?'

read it all in the Cowasjee column
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

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Give Me Your Money and Give me Your Kids.. I will take the Money And Send Your Kids to Jihad in Foreign Countries

Says Qazi

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Qazi urges people to donate to Kashmir Fund

By our correspondent

KARACHI: Central Vice-President of the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) and Amir Jam’aat-e-Islami (JI) Pakistan Qazi Hussain Ahmed has said the Ummah would always stand by the people of Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Karachi and its citizens have always kept alive the concept of oneness of the Muslim Ummah," said Qazi at the start of a campaign to collect Kashmir Fund at Tariq Road on Tuesday.

"While we are preparing for Eid here, our brethren in Kashmir, Palestine and Iraq are in great distress. The Kashmiris are enduring crackdowns, sieges and arrests and are being murdered ruthlessly. Kashmiri women are being molested in their own homes, and youth are put to severe tortures. "In Palestine, the Israeli troops are demolishing Muslim towns. Iraq has been destroyed through bombardment," he said.

However, he said the Muslim Ummah was not in slumber. "We feel the pain our brethren in Kashmir, Palestine and Iraq are suffering from," he said and urged the people never to forget their Muslim brethren in their prayers and extend them all moral and financial help.

Qazi said whatever the stance of the rulers be, the people of Pakistan would never leave the people of Kashmir, Iraq, etc, alone. He said the oppression would soon come to an end and Kashmir would be liberated. He praised the enthusiasm of the men, women and children who generously donated to the Kashmir Fund.


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Pakistani woman jailed in US for misleding FBI agents

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WASHINGTON, Nov 19: A Pakistani woman, who had until recently lived in Upper Darby, was sentenced on Tuesday to 16 months in prison for lying to federal agents who were looking for her former husband, a suspected terrorist.

Humaira Jawed, 27, daughter of a wealthy Pakistani businessman, admittedly misled agents by claiming that her former husband was in Pakistan when she knew he was driving a cab in Philadelphia, a newspaper Daily News of Philadelphia reported on Wednesday.

According to the newspaper, about 50 agents from the Joint Terrorism Task Force spent a week hunting for Agha Ali Abbas Qazalbash, in Philadelphia and New York, only to learn that he had flown back to Pakistan two days after his former wife was first questioned.

Assistant US Attorney Nancy Beam told US district judge Bruce W. Kauffman on Tuesday that Ms Humaira's lies gave Mr Qazalbash "time to successfully flee the country." Sentencing guidelines called for Ms Humaira to receive a prison term in the range of 10 to 16 months and the judge gave her the maximum punishment.

Mr Qazalbash, who had allegedly served as a vice-president of an outlawed Pakistani religious sect before entering this country, had overstayed his visa and was deemed to be in this country illegally when the agents went looking for him in July, the report added. -PPI


interesting point is "...A richman's son in-law works as cab driver..." why...

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