Faith Freedom International

[jihadjay]

MEDI, maybe Muslims and Orthodox Christians have something in common, with regards to the quote "If there is no God, everything is permitted."

MEDI - from radicals in India, to Islamists in Algeria, to Buddhists in Tibet and to Orthodox Christians in Russia, we all fear that ideas like atheism, materialism, individualism, capitalism, and so forth, will lead to the demise of order, morality, justice, culture, and what makes us unique - and full of compassion.

I do not state that atheism is the cause of all madness, and I have made it clear that atheists and people who follow God or Gods have equal qualities with regards to being human, good, bad, or whatever - yet what is the ultimate end of atheism?

Is ir solely that we are merely hear now, and that is it? Is it that culture, religions, and other things, mean nothing?

Where does this lead?

Atheism allows no morality, this does not imply that atheists do not have morality; yet, where are the boundaries?

Is it ok to kill the unborn? Is it ok to kill the elderly? Is it ok to kill the unborn because they are disabled? Is it ok to pick designer babies? Is it ok to just leave society to itself, and let the melting-pot keep on melting, - none of this itself means that atheists support abortion, killing the elderley, choosing designer babies, allowing 55 year old women to have children, and so forth - yet, alternatively it can allow this for you do not have a designed boundary, a designed morality - once more this does not imply that atheists are not moral, only that it allows society to do what it desires.

Atheism merely means no belief in God, it is not a political movement, but people who do not believe in God are taking things like music, art, television, and so forth, away from people of religion, and this to me is dangerous.

And for this reason you have Christian channels, Islamic channels, and so forth - already divisions are growing, and this void of purpose and meaning, and it is hard to understand if not religious, just like it is hard for me to think of there being no God or Gods, is leading to stagnation of morality and virtue via concepts like atheism.

To me I fear radical Islam, not Muslims who may be very nice people, but radical Islam. In the same way I fear that atheism will undermine the dominant faith in Europe, indeed, it is already undermined, and this vacuum could be filled by Islam.

Note, if Christians do not support homosexual rights, we are deemed bigots in secular and atheist society, if Christians do not accept that all religions have equal validity, we are deemed to be bigots; and this continues to many walks of life.

Maybe it is hard to explain, but I do believe that an agenda is already at play, with regards to secularization, atheism, rampant capitalism, individualism, materialsim, appeasing Islam, and so forth in the West; which is negative towards the Christian religion.

Also, my ultimate love is for God, it does not matter that I may go to purgatory, or indeed will, for my love of God will always be with me - this love of God is being denied children in nations like England, because modern society is geared towards a mixture of atheism, secularism, capitalism, materialism, non-offending of other faiths, mass communications, manipulation via education, and so forth - all these trends are preventing people from seeing the love of God, which unlike the love of man or a woman, is constant, and even after death we are reunited with our creator.

Yet in the modern world, and the Pope often states this, it could just be that the real enemy of Christianity in Europe is materialism, capitalism, consumerism, atheism, secularism, and so forth - therefore, communism collapsed, but if this means higher drug problems in Eastern Europe, forced prostitution, increasing HIV, poverty, crime, individualism, and other social ills, then this victory was hollow, and the new danger is even greater.

Wow, I much prefer talking about geopolitics, you know what they say about a duck out of water
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[MarkT]

[Robert]

[MarkT]

No kidding!
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"—to find one's happiness in truth, to oppose illusion, to value integrity above God, and character above salvation."

[scepsis]

[Unknown 175]

Spelling mistake in "Atheism is a threat in this world" ....

"People are a threat to this world"

[Varanasi]

The real threat to mankind is god and the believers.

http://www.thehappyheretic.com/07-03.htm

http://www.thehappyheretic.com/08-03.htm

Give us a passge from god which can teach humans something valuable.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/bps/misc/waytoend.html

With a god there is morality?

Did not god kill the first born of the Egyptians?

Did not god allowed Lot to sleep with Lot's own daughter.

The book of god is full of immoral lessons.

Did not allah laid waste to towns and villages that do not believe in allah?

[eruss]

[eruss]

Atheism is a threat because it denies the existence of God. Without God there is no universal moral decree. If Humans are the final say in what is moral, justified and beautiful then there is no such thing as wrong or right and man can do anything he wishes including murder, rape, genocide and any other thing he wishes because there is no moral universal to stop him.

The Roman Catholic Crusades are a perfect example. When the Church of Rome abandoned the Bible as the final authority and adopted man as the final authority it resulted in torture and death. Stalin, Mao Se Tung and the Current ruler in North Korea are other examples.

[Robert]

[bread]

[Unknown 293]

i think the main point of a theist is that atheism allow no morality.

i don't think so.atheism doesn't force anything on some one.he allows rules and order to run the society but he doesn't make those laws permanent in the society in the sense that these laws are there for eternity. he just looks at the social condition and then decides what should be done.

for example the law for vehicles on road.may be some day all come and decides that all should drive their vehicle on the left side of the road.now this is a law.but one needn't associate it with morality.in future if they all decide to drive on the right side of the road then the theist needn't come and say that this is an attack on our religion and is against morality etc.

atheism is a threat only to those who are moral on their surface.atheist never forces anyone to be homosexual.atheist only say that it should be permitted.if theist are having problem with this then it only proves that they are having homosexual desires

[Unknown 293]

i don't think atheism is a threat to the world in the sense that it simply says that if you believe in god then you won't go anywhere.
it never prohibits anyone from becoming moral.but it does expose everyone whose moral is only skin deep.

[bread]

So the Muslims believers who slaughter others including Believing Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Animists are nice guys because they believe in a God??

And the Catholic priests who sodomise little boys and girls are nice because they believe in a God?

And the Teleevangelists who have mistresses and call girls and steal the money of their flock are nice guys because they believe in a God??

And the Atheist or Agnostic who does not drink and waits for marriage to have sex and gives money to the beggars is a bad guy because he doesnt believe in a God for whom no proof of existence has been brought forth? (yes I am talking about myself)

[eruss]

[eruss]

[Unknown 451]

As a slight point I'd like to make, I beleive Atheism (or agnostacism, whichever you proscribe to) is simply a factor in a persons beleifs. Religion or Atheism is a factor compounded by personality, attitudes of the times, politics, etc. All Christians don't beleive the same way, no two people believe the same way, to clump them together and say "All Atheists are immoral" or "All Muslims are terrorists" for example is very bigoted. You cannot define what I beleive by my atheism. JihadJay, you used partial birth abortion as a Atheist act in an early post on this topic, I personally feel that is no better than murder, probably the same as you do. If you want to get down to it though, Atheism is the only organization WITHOUT an agenda, as it is the only one to speak of without a doctrine. Agendas would be personal, not universal.

I'd put my morals right up to anyone's for personal examination, not just that but I'd put my "sins" up to. If you didn't count all those rejecting God ones, I'd be right up there with the best of 'em.

The problem with your arguement is your saying without God, we'd have chaos and immorality, this isn't true. As any good athiest is proof that morality is perfectly capable without a higher cause. Morality is also debatable, your morals may not match up with others.

Also, Atheism is not something to be compared to capatalism. The United States is a predominately protestant country, and capitalist. Explain how all these "atheistic" things happen here, if you will. And to make comparisons, if Ateism is to capitalism, then Christianity is to communism. A theoretical communism would be Jesus' dreamworld, with all equal to each other. However the communist USSR during WW2 killed just as many innocents of it's own as Nazi Germany did. You don't hear about it in your school history books, but thats because the victors wright the history books. History Channel often has specials on this. And why does communism fail? A) human nature and B) becuase there has to be at least one person in power to run things. And he will become corrupted. It always happens. Any communist government, or church hierarchies are both good examples of this. Notice propoganda is much easier to achieve in a communistic setting, where the government/church runs the media source. *cough* ICR *cough*

[Unknown 446]