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CRITICAL Singh
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 Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:41 am Post subject: (( MUSIC )) & ISLAM |
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I have recently learnt that Music is Haraam in Islam... 
Can anybody explain the logic behind this phenomenon ?  |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: (( MUSIC )) & ISLAM |
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| CRITICAL Singh wrote: | I have recently learnt that Music is Haraam in Islam...
Can anybody explain the logic behind this phenomenon ? |
I think "logic" is inappropriate, it comes form Mohammed's Quran and his cronies' Ahadith, not much "logic" there. 
You could ask Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), who is reportedly going to play some music at a Muslim concert in Malaysia, whilst wearing his gold ring and watch. (also haram)
Wonder if the security-guards there will have any black dogs?  |
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Perro Grande
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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The answer is: C O N T R O L
Music tends to encourage creativity, stimulates areas of the brain that encourage math and science, and creates a sense of achievement. More than that, it creates individuality.
All of these things are enemies of Islam. How best to prevent it other than to make it sinful? -- especially in a religion where sinful things result in stoning, amputation, and death...
It is all about C O N T R O L . |
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SMHA
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CRITICAL Singh
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Perro Grande wrote: | The answer is: C O N T R O L
Music tends to encourage creativity, stimulates areas of the brain that encourage math and science, and creates a sense of achievement. More than that, it creates individuality.
All of these things are enemies of Islam. How best to prevent it other than to make it sinful? -- especially in a religion where sinful things result in stoning, amputation, and death...
It is all about C O N T R O L . |
I wonder What prompted him to make such a judgement ?
But, Music is still played everywhere in muslim countries... What kind of Music is Haraam and which kind not ?
And more importantly WHY ? & How this is benefical to Humanity ? <---<< |
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Perro Grande
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:16 am Post subject: |
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From http://www.al-islam.org/laws/contemporary/muamalat5.html
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5. Music
Q166: What is the limit separating lawful from unlawful music? If the criterion is its being labeled "entertainment or amusement," then this is not clear according to convention because there are differences of opinion on that.
A: The separating limit is its being of suitable quality for the gatherings of amusement and of immorality. (MMS, p. 28, Q53)
Q167: Also, regarding musical tunes, what is the criterion for their prohibition? Is the criterion their actual use in songs by people of immorality or is it enough for them to be suitable for such purposes? Is there any difference in situation if they are used during the commemoration of (Imam) Husayn or Islamic songs, for example, etc.?
A: The rule also is their being suitable for gatherings (of amusement and of immorality) and their prohibition is absolutely not lifted by using them during the commemoration or otherwise, based on precaution. (MMS, p. 28, Q54)
Q168: What is the ruling on so-called music in present customary usage?
A: It is of two kinds. One of them suits the places of amusement and entertainment and thus listening to it is prohibited. The other one is other than this and therefore is not prohibited. (FM, p. 437)
Q169: Some types of music are broadcast before the recitation of the noble Qur'an or the adhan, before the religious program begins or during. Is it permissible to listen to it?
A: The great majority of them are of the second type and thus are lawful. (FM, p. 437)
Q170: Musical interludes and music that precedes announcement of the news.
A: The same applies. (same answer as Q169) (FM, p. 438)
Q171: Some types of watches, in addition to specifying the time, have musical pieces for the pleasure of the owner whenever he wishes (to hear them). Is it permissible to buy and sell them (watches), or even to listen to their music?
A: It is permissible. (FM, p. 438)
Q172: Is it permissible to listen to religious songs?
Follow up: You mean religious phrases that are composed with musical tunes that are common amongst the people of amusement and entertainment?
Response: Yes.
A: It is prohibited to listen to them. The same ruling applies to all phrases that are not for pleasure and amusement -- such as supplication or dhikr -- but composed with these musical tunes. (FM, p. 437)
Q173: Classical music is believed to soothe excited nerves, and is also prescribed at times for treatment of some psychological ailments. Is it permissible for me to listen to it?
A: Yes, it is permissible to listen to music which is not suited for the gatherings of amusement and entertainment. (FM, p. 438)
Q174: Music with pictures that is associated with television films, popular serial programs, the aim of which is to raise the degree of excitement of the viewers in accordance with the atmosphere of the film. For example, if the exhibited scene is frightening, then this music helps in prompting fear and its effect on the viewers.
A: The great majority of them are of the lawful type. (FM, p. 438)
Q175: . . . emotional and national poetry that are at times accompanied by music.
A: The same criterion as was previously mentioned (in Q168). (FM, p. 438)
Q176: The buying and selling of flutes, musical recordings and the like, from among the instruments of pleasure and amusement, is prohibited. However, there are instruments made for children's amusement. Is it permissible to buy and sell them?
A: It is permissible as long as they are not classified among the instruments of forbidden pleasure and amusement. (FM, p. 411)
Q177: Is it permissible for a Muslim to send his son to one of the musical institutes to study music as a profession under the condition that he will not use his profession for forbidden things?
A: There is no objection to studying lawful music in itself, but in sending children to musical institutes one should ensure that it does not negatively affect them in their religious upbringing. God knows best. (MMS, p. 17, Q19)
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Several comments:
1. It is no wonder that the poor muslims living under this type of control struggle to accomplish anything. They're too busy worried about retribution for violating arbitrary and trivial laws (for which the punishment will surely be far worse than the 'crime' warrants).
2. Notice how "amusement" and "immorality" are grouped together. Gotta keep 'em miserable all the time!
3. "A: There is no objection to studying lawful music in itself, but in sending children to musical institutes one should ensure that it does not negatively affect them in their religious upbringing. God knows best. (MMS, p. 17, Q19)" See - it is all about CONTROL, and establishing it at an early age. Successful oppressors throughout history have used this technique -- get 'em while they're young... God knows best? Perhaps. Allah, on the other hand, doesn't even know basic physics or geology for the universe he supposedly created, what makes one think he knows anything about music? Or anything else, for that matter.
What a pathetic state of affairs... |
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Piggy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Perro Grande wrote: | | See - it is all about CONTROL, and establishing it at an early age. Successful oppressors throughout history have used this technique -- get 'em while they're young... God knows best? |
Yes, Perro Grande, the children are the key. |
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adnan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:29 am Post subject: |
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islam forbids a lot of stuff that doesnt make sense. music can actually help improve worship, like freshen your mind, and many muslims do listen to it, including bearded mullahs in pakistani, no kidding.
like alcohol is openly and undoubtedly prohibited in quran, its not the same case for music. music has a few hadiths that suggest that for example, the prophet forbid music, and he only allowed sound of a tamberine (if thats the spelling) for war. |
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Qwert
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:58 am Post subject: |
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From ask-imam:
| Quote: | Music is expressly prohibited in many Ahaadith. Among the dominant purposes of our beloved Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was to destroy musical instruments.
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Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Allah ordered me to destroy musical instruments.’
* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘People from my Ummat will drink wine and give it other names and singing girls and musical instruments will be played before them. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them, and disfigure their faces into apes and pigs.’
* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) mentioned, ‘When singing girls and musical instruments becomes common, wait for red winds, earthquakes, the earth swallowing people, disfiguring and many more punishments.’ (Mishkăt 470)
In the light of the above, it is not permissible to hear Islamic songs having the sound of beating drums in the background.
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
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http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=65 |
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Qwert
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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From islam-qa:
| Quote: | | As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah....” |
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5011&dgn=4 |
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Perro Grande
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah....”
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Peaceful religion, indeed.
Hey -- if I'm a muslim and I play the violin, and I do it so badly that my enemies fall over dead, I wonder if that is still haram? Or falling pianos crushing the infidels...
Sheesh!
Cheers,
Perro
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adnan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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yea perro, i was also wondering | Quote: | | training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah....” |
i saw on a comedy tv program that a person blew the trumpet so hard in a person's ear that he died. by declaring musical instruments haram, Allah has certainly left Muslims in a handicapped situation where they can no longer blow trumpets in the ears of the enemy. |
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Farside
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:52 am Post subject: Mutations |
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 The Mutation of Cat Stevens into Yusuf Islam
 Click here and listen to Cat Stevens sing "Morning has Broken" when he was still human!
 Click here and listen to Yusuf Islam mumble "The Life of the Last Prophet"!
 The degradation of his music into gibberish is a common side effect of the mutation.
From the Farside  |
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Mazdak
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Anything cultural, uplifting and thought provoking is forbidden in islam.
Islam is the system of mind control and dictatorship by the means of isolating people from any possible "influences" so they can only be exposed to what the "mullalh" says. Muslims are brainwashed to "ignore" anything that doesn't come from the leaders.
You can give muslims an entire library of all knowledge of the world, and they will burn it down and say it is not Koranic, we only need Koran. They actually burned down many libraries and executed countless writers and musicians.
Muslims are against anything craetive. Creation as something God might do, as opposed to destruction which is what Satan would do, symbolically speaking.
Music is only a part of that. |
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Perro Grande
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Muslims are against anything craetive. Creation as something God might do, as opposed to destruction which is what Satan would do, symbolically speaking.
Music is only a part of that. |
Isn't that the grand irony, though?
Music, art, literature, etc. EMULATE God, who (according to the Quran) is a CREATIVE force.
Isn't it ironic (or perhaps, more important, telling) that Islam actively advocates destruction and discourages creativity... |
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