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monique
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| Abudosama wrote: |
As a human being man and woman are equal, but physically, emotionally and even mentally they are different from man, it is accepted Universally. |
And a dog is physically, emotionally and even mentally different from a camel... so?
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| Likewise both have instinctively different duties allocated by the Lord of Universe. So they should be treated differently. |
Allocated? So they have to? What happened with "free will" muslims are so proud of having in islam? Here I see a "allocated duties" with punishment if you don't.... where's the free will?
The only "duty" that women can and men cannot do is having babies...that is NATURE.
All the other insane rules are manmade... no nature there.
Islam says that men have to provide for women...and women HAVE to be provided for. A women is not allowed to provide for herself... she is FORCED to put up with a man...any man otherwise she will starve or be killed for not being someones posession.
To say that women are not able to so "man"things is plain stupid...only in backwards societies women are not allowed to do them.."not allowed" is something completely different from "not able to".
The proof of the wrongness about statements made in islam lies in the non-islamic societies: women do the same things as men. They provide for themselves and their children....the are independent!!
The "independence of women" is the sole reason for the existing of islam...mohammed wanted women to serve him and be his sexslaves. The only way to get that done was for him to fabricate some stupid inhuman rules and call them a religion...islam.
Women are prisoners in islam... they have no saying about their lives whatsoever. Before they are married they are the posesssion of their father and brothers, after they are married they are the posession of the husband and the sons. A woman is always somebodies posession. She never has the freedom to choose...anything. Se is jailed for life.
Muslim men are afraid of women and they know that they don't realy have a women anything to offer, that is obvious. Because, if they were not afraid and did have to offer anything they would not inprison them but let them be free human beings with a mind and body of their own.
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| You donot yoke cow for farming. |
But you do kill women for not being men.
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Of course boys and girls are not the same...if that were the case everybody would be gay. |
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Abudosama
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Al-Kitaab(Universal Truths) & Women indecency |
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Praise the Lord for DNA, huh? It would seem to me that your caliphs would consider taking the womans word for it now that DNA evidence leaves NO DOUBT of a perpetrators guilt or innocence! Thanks to the world of science, there is no longer a need for four witnesses... or does your religion refuse to consider such evidence when 4 witnesses are lacking?
I have yet to see one news report of any woman being raped with an audience! From what I gather, it is a crime that is usually done when a woman is alone and - more often than not - in the dark.
Let's see if your caliphs allow DNA evidence, which doesn't lie, in lieu of the witnesses. I don't think this will ever happen, though, do you?
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WELL YES IF DNA IS AVAILABLE IN THE VICINITY WHY NOT TO HAVE A LATEST EVIDENCE!
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MsWesterner
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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WHY NOT INDEED abu.....and do they???
remember - it doesnt "suit" the system where regardless of how sex has occurred, rape or consensual, SHE IS STILL CONSIDERED FILTH and males have the RIGHTS to harm her
so you have NO PROBLEM that in an islamic court IF a woman has been brave enough to report rape (and MOST dont) that
(a) she can only appear in court if she has a MALE with her
(b) the judge will not address her.....only THE MALE
(c) her evidence is less than that of a male??????
and the appallingly sad fact is that these women NEVER EVER had a choice as to whether even be muslim, or not
and your males, just like your pedophile, can and do screw anything!!! |
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Abudosama
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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WHY NOT INDEED abu.....and do they???
remember - it doesnt "suit" the system where regardless of how sex has occurred, rape or consensual, SHE IS STILL CONSIDERED FILTH and males have the RIGHTS to harm her
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Dear MsWesterner
I agree with you these are the filth of "society" created by humanbeing. It does not get the guidance from The Universal Truths which are common for all mankind.
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so you have NO PROBLEM that in an islamic court IF a woman has been brave enough to report rape (and MOST dont) that
(a) she can only appear in court if she has a MALE with her
(b) the judge will not address her.....only THE MALE
(c) her evidence is less than that of a male?????? |
In Islamic court woman has to just point out that this person had raped her.
1. In Tho Book of Allah (your God), woman need not to bring witnesses. If he doesnot then he will be punished. If he does then woman will be declared lier.
Al-Kitaab C:12, V:27 "But if it be that his shirt is torn from the back, then is she the liar, and he is telling the truth!"
2. Woman evidence is for lodging complain is equal to a man. and in case of witness other woman is her supporting witness.because:
Al-Kitaab C:43, V:18 "Is then one brought up among trinkets, and unable to give a clear account in a dispute (to be associated with Allah)? "
3.SHE IS EXEMPTED FROM AN EVIDENCE, BECAUSE OF HER DUTIES TOWARD HER FAMILY.
Al-Kitaab C:3, V:36: When she was delivered, she(mother of Maryium) said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Maryium, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected.
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and the appallingly sad fact is that these women NEVER EVER had a choice as to whether even be muslim, or not
and your males, just like your pedophile, can and do screw anything |
4 . Well all muslim male by choice have xian or jew wife in West.
5. beside there are many women who claim to be muslims have xian & jew husband in the west.
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MsWesterner
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oh purleeeeze....what a cop out that she is "exempted from evidence because of her duties towards her family" lol
no wonder the ummah is in the sick, sorry and backward state that it is with such "thinking" as the above.
and WHAT ABOUT THE SINGLE WOMAN, who has no children, or what about the woman who does have a family......she also has a brain and human rights??? duties indeed lol.....has your little ignorant imam who spew filth about females and tell you you are superior TOLD you this about duties!!!
but this is the deviant and sick face of islam........and you people wonder why we are telling you we wont be sticking our asses in the air 5 x per day to such a sick hoax as islam, an imaginary allah and a dirty cruel deranged pedophile.........and the koran provably shows the DECEIT AND ERRORS, yet you have been told by your little imams that you just must accept and not question.
oh how weak!!! |
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Abudosama
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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MR. "MsWesterner" Have you read Al-Kitaab ?
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establishtruth
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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YUSUFALI: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
PICKTHAL: As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).
SHAKIR: And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.
So my story was nonsense right. I think not Mr Osama, who else would tell her story, she is dead. It was a true story about the lives of Saudi Arabian women. But it's about women, and we know you don't care.
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What a great revealation!!! This means that if the husband finds the wife, or a father finds his daughter to be lewd, then he does not have to go to the court. He does not have to prove anything before the court of law. He can take matters in his own hands. The woman never gets a chance to present her side of the story. Her voice would not be heard. The gaurdian of the woman can simply lock her up in a room till her death.
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I have read many true stories about the lives of Muslim women living in Islamic states.
One really upset me, it told the story of a 16 year old girl who was seen speaking to a man in Saudi Arabia, just talking, no touching, just talking!
For this she was charged for indecency, she was locked away in a windowless room, given food through a slot in the door.
It took her 7 years to die in that room. Her father kept her locked there forever, no remorse.
Her friend told her story.
Another girl was drowned in her fathers swimming pool for indecency, again seen talking to a man. Her father held his 17 year old daughter face down and felt no remorse as he watched her body struggle for life and breath.
All over the Islamic world girls and women suffer and die, they struggle against their killers to no avail, because Islam is their Killer. |
Yes this kind of things indeed happen in conservative Islamic coutries like Saudi Arabia. It is difficult to get to know everything that is happening in the kingdom. Because they make sure that words to not spread out about what kind of things are happening in the society. Rarely any kind of oppression against women is reported by the media. The one or two incidents that are leaked to the media are enough to create a stir among the rational minded people. The book 'Princess' written by Jean Sasson, is a true biography of a Saudi princess. It gives a rare glimpse about what happens inside the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. In this book one can indeed find such an incident where the father of the girl had the girl drowned in the swimming pool. In Saudi Arabia the father has the right to take the life of his daughter!!!
Also read the following article. You would yourself find out the disgusting moral standards of the followers of Islam.
Glimpses of practices leading to exploitation of young girls |
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Abudosama
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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ESTABLISEDTRUTHS COMMENTED:-
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| What a great revealation!!! This means that if the husband finds the wife, or a father finds his daughter to be lewd, then he does not have to go to the court. He does not have to prove anything before the court of law. He can take matters in his own hands. The woman never gets a chance to present her side of the story. Her voice would not be heard. The gaurdian of the woman can simply lock her up in a room till her death. |
YOU ARE WRONG IT IS THE COURT WHO WILL DECIDE ABOUT THE LEWDNESS OF A MUSLIM WOMAN!
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Ram
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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ESTABLISEDTRUTHS COMMENTED:-
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| What a great revealation!!! This means that if the husband finds the wife, or a father finds his daughter to be lewd, then he does not have to go to the court. He does not have to prove anything before the court of law. He can take matters in his own hands. The woman never gets a chance to present her side of the story. Her voice would not be heard. The gaurdian of the woman can simply lock her up in a room till her death. |
YOU ARE WRONG IT IS THE COURT WHO WILL DECIDE ABOUT THE LEWDNESS OF A MUSLIM WOMAN! |
ESTABLISHEDTRUTH is right.
Under Sharia, the father, the grandfathers, the uncles, the brothers, even the sons can kill a woman for percieved lewdness. It is perfectly legal in Saudi Arabia, the Gulf countries, the Sudan and many other Muslim countries. In many cases the killings of these women are celebrated and the relatives are congratulated for defending their honour. |
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MsWesterner
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Abudosama.....and due to the backward beliefs as indoctrinated by the deceit of islam, "lewdness" can be perceived as showing skin or hair even.
More proof of no all knowing allah when he/she has inflicted such heinous (avoidable) medical and health problems on muslim women living in the earth's hottest countries and having to wear heavy black clothing which causes skin and hair disorders and "infestations", bodily organ problems, and even vitamin deficiencies that are passed onto the children......but the average muslim CHOOSES to ignore the miserable plight of these women, and they never even were given a choice as to be muslim or not, either.\
More "advanced" in every way are the women whom live in tribes, where due to the climate, they wear little more than coloured beads and are healthy (unlike muslims).......what's more, according to the muslim male beliefs and behaviours they would be getting RAPED ALL THE TIME AS THEY ARE SHOWING SKIN......but "they are not"!!!
yet more proof of the dishonesty of islam abusomad!!! Yet rape is endemic within your ummah....rife, rampant, as is abuse and incest!!!
imagine anyone being so ignorant as to believe (the lies that are taught) that (a) a burqua protects and (b) rape is about clothing lol.....how sad, and how the muslim women suffer as a result of such evil deceit. |
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Abudosama
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| Abudosama.....and due to the backward beliefs as indoctrinated by the deceit of islam, "lewdness" can be perceived as showing skin or hair even. |
showing skin or hair WHICH PART OF BODY?
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Ram
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Abudosama.....and due to the backward beliefs as indoctrinated by the deceit of islam, "lewdness" can be perceived as showing skin or hair even. |
showing skin or hair WHICH PART OF BODY? |
IN IRAN: Women are arrested for wearing makeup.
IN SAUDI ARABIA: Woman is beaten if a rligious police officer thinks that she is not properly attired in hideous black coloured abaya. Women are forced to wear the very uncomfortable cloaks which are made of polyester even in the scorching heat of the summer. I am sure you remeber the case of 14 teenage school girls who were forced back into burning school building because they were not wearing their abayas. Otherwise they were dressed very modestly. All 14 girls burned to death. This is one example how viciously women are treated and the life of a woman is utterly valueless in Islamic countries.
IN KASHMIR: Acid is thrown in the faces of women if they do not wear hijab. This crime is usually committed by Pakistani Muslim terrorist infiltrators in the state.
IN BALOCHISTAN & NWFP (PAKISTAN): The women are beaten, some time even killed if they do not wear grotesque looking burqas. The burgas are made of polyester and are usually blue or black.
IN AFGHANISTAN: In the rural areas of Afghanistan, women are whipped if they do not wear burqas.
The concept of lewdness varies from one Muslim country to another. In Iran, women are allowed to show their faces but in Afghanistan women are not allowed to reveal their faces. In Saudi Arabia, even showing little bit of hair is considered lewd. In some parts of Pakistan, women are allowed to show their faces. In NWFP, men feel dishonoured if their female relatives show their faces. This can be reason to kill them. This happens in Pakistan everyday. Please face the facts. We do not make this up. This information comes from Islamic sources. |
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MsWesterner
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: |
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abdusoma....on ummah.com I saw your muslim brothers talking about how women should only have a slit for one eye.....their rationale was
(a) the female body is required to be fully enshrouded (in other words, shameful)
(b) they only need one eye to see out of.
it was interesting to read that not once did they consider the women or their well being, or the climate/heat, or the health or restrictive problems. Yep, we have two eyes but can see out of one!!!
yep, good little "slaves for allah" regard women as unworthy and to be hidden away - it was "chilling" to read!!! |
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MsWesterner
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and abdusoma....remember WHY your pedophile commanded that women be covered.
all part of the deceit and "hoax" of islam!!!
and how they suffer as a result.....how incredibly appalling and shameful |
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Abudosama
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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abdusoma....on ummah.com I saw your muslim brothers talking about how women should only have a slit for one eye.....their rationale was
(a) the female body is required to be fully enshrouded (in other words, shameful)
(b) they only need one eye to see out of.
it was interesting to read that not once did they consider the women or their well being, or the climate/heat, or the health or restrictive problems. Yep, we have two eyes but can see out of one!!!
yep, good little "slaves for allah" regard women as unworthy and to be hidden away - it was "chilling" to read!!! |
PLEASE QUOTE ME FROM AL-QURAAN WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT WOMEN SHOULD HAVE SLIT FOR ONE EYE?
I DO NOT BELEIVE OTHER THAN ALLAH'S COMMANDMENTS MENTIONED IN HIS BOOK (AL-KITTAB).
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