Ex-Muslim needs help

[Ali Sina]

I received this email today. I suppose this family is converted to Christianity. I don't know how to advise them.

If anyone knows how, please contact them.

[Ampbreia]

Couldn't they apply for assylum through the U.S. or Canadian Embassies?
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[doubtless]

The following link is to
Enabling Christians to Serving Refugees in UK.

http://www.ecsr.org.uk/resources.htm

There are lots of links and address to contact christian organisation involved with helping refugees.
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[Ali Sina]

Another email from these friends

[Ariel]

Poor people. I feel for them.
This is terrible. Muslims are welcome in any country, but Christians are refused.
I have seen it happen many times.
I wish I could help them, and I hope they will be alright.

Ariel.
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[Zhou Yu]

If they haven't already, maybe it would be worth them getting in contact with the Barnabas Fund.

www.barnabasfund.org

[Immanuel]

Or they could try Italy.
Having a non-EU girlfriend I personally went through a lot of burocratic stuff to get a work paper for her, and now I have quite a decent knowledge in what italian law requires for issuing residence papers (which is relatively strict compared to other countries in Europe).

To see if they can apply, I need to know about their situation: if someone among them can exercise a free profession that would surely be useful, and if someone else is a doctor or a translator that's even better. They don't write on this forum, do they?
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[Kantipala]

You may try also a Catholic preist. I am not sure what they can do, but they are an international support system.

[Always_Kafir]

[rainbow]

Please keep us updated about this family. Lilylayla is in a similar situation, only she is still in SA. I just do NOT understand why muslims get asylum from Islamic countries, yet apostates don't. The west is missing a great opportunity. East Berlin fell when Germany began giving the east germans 'german' passports, and there was a mass exodus that resulted in the wall coming down and a unified germany. The last vestiges of communism simultaneously fell everywhere else. Start giving apostates UN protection and refugee status, and there would be the same sort of exodus - from SA at least Only there would have to be some way of finding out who was genuine or not, ie with lie detectors.

Rainbow
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Koran: 9.111 fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain
2.216 Fighting is prescribed for you.
9:14 Fight them!

[Kantipala]

Thats a very good idea Rainbow, giving refuggee status to apostates. In essance allowing everyone who did not want to be islamic to not have to be islamic. At the same time undermining there governments attemps to force them to be islamic.
This idea would make a great subject for letters to congresses, parliments, and UN agencies. I will start the campain by writing a few letters of my own.

[Susan]

There are organizations like Barnabas Fund (in the UK) and Open Doors
(In the US and UK) who help Muslim converts to Christianity. Maybe they can help:

http://www.barnabasfund.org/

http://www.opendoorsusa.org/Display.asp?Page=home

http://www.opendoorsuk.org/

Barnabas Fund has submitted a petition on apostasy from Islam to the UN to get them to recognize it as a human rights issue.

[Nicolei]

My heart goes out to all these apostates. We should encourage them and give them all the moral support. I must however advise all those who are offering help to exercise caution. Call me paranoid, but one way for Islamists to identify persons or underground networks that exists to help apostates is to pose as an apostate to gather information. Well meaning helpers can unknowingly expose other apostates and underground networks and their modus operandi. For your own sake and the sake of other apostates and their networks, even if you are in a western country, please understand that the ummah is very well connected. And there are many Muslim communities in western societies. Please do not post any information that can enable people like MENJ (once he was removed from this forum for researching and revealing information of an apostate, information of a nature that can pose a threat to the personal safety of the apostate concerned) to identify you, other apostates and underground networks or your residence. Well known NGOs like Open Doors and Barnabas Fund are not the underground networks I am refering to. However it would be foolish to reveal their modus operandi of these NGOs if you happen to know them. Just point out the NGOs for them to contact and let the apostates personally contact the NGOs.

If you are in Malaysia for example, there are laws which make the simple act of passing any non-Islamic religious information to a Muslim, in whatsoever form, a punishable criminal offence. So exercise every caution if you are in Malaysia and want to help apostates.

[Ampbreia]