question to converts to islaam

kufr0929 · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 79

when you converted to islam, were you aware of violent/fascist sections of Quran such as:

(This is from your idol quran ):

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

009.029

YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the
Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are)
of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Thougt Control quran style:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.144
Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than
the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a
clear proof against yourselves ?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers
Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in
nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way
of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them.
But Allah cautions
you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to
Allah.

QUESTION:would muslims accept to check a box in their income tax form and pay an extra $5000/yr and feel themselves subdued. if they are muslim? This is what koran
(09/29) instructs them to do to
others.

QUESTION:WHAT WOULD MUSLIMS SAY IF THE BOOK OF ANOTHER
RELIGION REVEALED TO THEIR PROFIT Mickey Mouse BY
THEIR F FICTITIOUS SUPREME FASCIST Minnie Mouse SAYS:

Fight those who believe not in Minnie Mouse nor the
Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Minnie Mouse
and Her Messenger Mickey
Mouse, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if
they are) muslim,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and
feel themselves subdued.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005
009.005

YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then
fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and
seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them
in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and
establish
regular prayers and practise regular charity, then
open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving,
Most Merciful.

what I find disturbing about this section is if you
have 2 people x1 and x2, where x1 is a pagan and x2 is
a muslim, then section 9/5 says in a very
straightforward way to kill x1 and spare the life of
x2, even if they are identical in every other aspect.
This goes against the concept of equal rights
for everybody. It definitely contradicts the United
Nations declaration of Human Rights.

it would be constructive to compare these 2 sections(
Koran 9/5 and Koran 9/29 ) to the following Bill of
Cyrus the Great, King of Iran, sixth century B.C.
found at http://www.cfiwest.org/newhorizons:

Freedom and tolerance of thought, speech, religion;
choice of place of residence, coming and going, jobs
and professions, will be on equal terms and conditions
for everyone.

No inquiry, injustice or harassment is allowed to be
done to anyone.

In this way Cyrus says that I have sown the seed of
amity, friendship and affection among nations and have
granted the people peace of mind, security,
tranquility and comfort.

pick up a Quran and read the following
verses:2:191,3:28,3:85,5:10,5:34,9:5,
9:28,9:29,9:123,14:17,22:9,25:52,47:4, and 66:9, you
will get your answer. They all promote hatred and
violence against non-muslims. A person who believes
the Quran to be God's words, and has read and believes
in, these verses, is thus a terrorist , at least in
mind, if not in practice. It is another matter that
most muslims are totally ignorant of what is really in
their scriptures and their history books. They
continue to believe that Islam is a peaceful religion
; and the knowledgable religious leadership wants it
that way because exposing them to the reality will
result in losses in mosque attendance and fund
collection from gullible muslims. Most effective way
to fight this islamic terrorism , instead of spending
billions in wars and weapons, is exposing the truth to
the world and stop being politically correct. Please
support courageous people like Ali Sina
(http://www.faithfreedom.org) and Ibn Warraq
(http://www.secularislam.org).

help publicize the following web sites:

http://www.sudanactivism.com/speakers.html
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=516
http://www.iAbolish.com/index.htm

http://www.secularislam.org
http://www.secularislam.org/jihad
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/oldarchives/shk_interview.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/oldarchives/tsas1.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/oldarchives/tsas2.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/bookstore/bookrev/fad.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/anwarshaikh/articles.html
http://www.cfiwest.org/newhorizons/
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm
http://www.assoaime.net
http://www.islamreview.org
http://athee.free.fr/listeislam.html
http://www.ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/
http://www.mmlf.org/index.php
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=516
http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=362

Thanks for listening

Kaffirs of the World Unite. You have nothing to lose except the muslims' ability to force you to:
1- pay them the jizya tribute tax
2- feel subdued in front of them
as prescribed by koran 09/29

Kufr Akbar

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Yes, actually I was. They meant nothing to me, though. The Bible, which I also believed in for many years, is also quite violent and bigoted.
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