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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: Looking for a debate......... Reply with quote

I want to debate the regulars on this site about Islam. The only request I have is that people respect Islam and know that there is a difference between insulting and Critiquing.
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill start with pedophilla

I dont understand how Mohammad can be called a Pedophille.

He didnt "desire" Aisha

Abu Bakr offerred her hand in marriage and by all accounts they lived a happy life with no one objecting to it. The goal of this marriage was to have a female representative of Islam because Islam is a COMPLETE way of life. It wasnt so that he could have sex with a child.

And this is the even stranger part

If he did desire children why did he stop at 1?

Why were all of his other wives old?

Also

The hadith states that the marriage occurred at the age of 6 and consumated at the age of 9. Why did he wait 3 years? I mean if he wanted sexula relations with a child why didnt he consumate the marriage when she was 6?

The only logical solution is that he DIDNT want to have sex with a child.
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caravan Raider

THE PROPHET MOHAMMAD DID NOT RAID CARAVANS!!!

These early expeditions were "scare tactics" as described by Maududi.

ALL scholars agree that there was absolutely no Looting or Raiding

The goal of these expeditions were to

A) Familiarize the Meccans with war like conditions

B) To send a message to the Meccans to make them negotiate and to stop their persecution of the Muslims who were left behind

The REAL looters were the Meccans who robbed the Mulims after they left.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are so concerned about insults? If you show to the world that Islam is good for mankind then those who insult it will appear as idiots and fools.

If you beleive that Islam is really and truly the command of Allah, then why be concerned about insults? Is Allah that concerned about who insults him?

People here claim that islam is not from God, and Islam is evil. Muhammad was an evil person and the muslims are stuck in this evil cult. Is that an insult?
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mohammad's goal

Why did the Mohammad try to be a Prophet?

Money? Power? Mental Illness?

If he wanted any of the above then I challenge anyone to just prove the following points wrong

1) THE MECCANS OFFERED HIM MONEY, POWER, RESPECT, AND WOMEN IF HE CHANGED HIS VIEWS. He turned them down and endured horrible suffering instead. He and his clan were boycotted and had to live in a barren waste land for years. Why did he do this?

2) BY ALL SOURCES the Prophet lived a simple life and urged others to do so. If he wanted money and power why did he not live a lavish life?

Here's a link

http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/prophet/prophetdescription.html

Please just disprove 1 option
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the reply

No my friend that is not an insult that is a critique

Saying "Mohammad and all Muslims will rot in hell" is an insult

Im sure Allah doesnt care who insults him

I care


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exposingtheliesofsina wrote:
The only logical solution is that he DIDNT want to have sex with a child.


But he still did have sex with her. Therefore he commited the act of pedophillia.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exposingtheliesofsina wrote:
Thank you for the reply

No my friend that is not an insult that is a critique

Saying "Mohammad and all Muslims will rot in hell" is an insult

Im sure Allah doesnt care who insults him

I care


But how can you say that when the Quran says all non-muslims will rot in hell.
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again answer why not at the age of 6??

That is my question

The only logical solution is that Ayesha after 3 years was physically able for consumation.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exposingtheliesofsina wrote:
Ill start with pedophilla

I dont understand how Mohammad can be called a Pedophille.

He didnt "desire" Aisha

Abu Bakr offerred her hand in marriage and by all accounts they lived a happy life with no one objecting to it. The goal of this marriage was to have a female representative of Islam because Islam is a COMPLETE way of life. It wasnt so that he could have sex with a child.

And this is the even stranger part

If he did desire children why did he stop at 1?

Why were all of his other wives old?

Also

The hadith states that the marriage occurred at the age of 6 and consumated at the age of 9. Why did he wait 3 years? I mean if he wanted sexula relations with a child why didnt he consumate the marriage when she was 6?

The only logical solution is that he DIDNT want to have sex with a child.


Dear exposingtheliesofsina,

If Muhammad did not desire Aisha as you claim or because he did not desire to have sex with a child, then he would not have had sex with a child.

Even waiting till she was nine, was pointless as she was too young if it was purely for the purpose of creating children.

So I mean, if he didn't want sexual relations with a child, then why did he have sexual reltations with a child?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exposingtheliesofsina wrote:
Again answer why not at the age of 6??

That is my question

The only logical solution is that Ayesha after 3 years was physically able for consumation.


So what???
If he wasn't a pedophile, he would have have waited that she got as old as his other wives... by any standards, an adult taking 9 years old girl makes him a pedophile, period.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exposingtheliesofsina wrote:
Again answer why not at the age of 6??

That is my question

The only logical solution is that Ayesha after 3 years was physically able for consumation.


Describe physically able. Any modern day scientist will tell you it is harmfull to have sex with a nine year old girl.
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was an example

I think you know what I meant

Im sure all religions teach that their followers will attain salvation while others face a murky fate.

And I think you're wrong about that

Scholars believe that no ones sins are wasted

Mohammad's uncle never accepted Islam but he helped his nephew in every way shape and form.

I highly doubt his sins will go to waste

Not accepting Islam is considered a sin in Islam

But a good deed is a good deed
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Exposingtheliesofsina



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before I respond I want you to answer something

Im sure you're aware of the Michael Jackson case right?

Why is he under trial?

Becaue the parents and the children didnt appreciate his sexual advances.

Now, Please produce JUST 1 document or quote which says that ANYONE objected towards his marriage or his consumation???

Abu Bakr was honored

And Ayesha Loved him with all of her heart

Would she do that if she felt he had molested her?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any modern day scientist will tell you it is harmfull to have sex with a nine year old girl.

TODAYS WOMEN......

What do we know about the women who lived 1400 yrs ago?

Surely evolution played a hand?
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