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Ali Sina
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 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: An Untold Love Story |
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An Untold Love Story
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Arif Qurashi
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This brought tears to my eyes.
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". . .Ali, you promised to defeat Islam very soon, so please do it.
I know sometimes you must feel like giving up. It seems to me you’ve devoted yourself fully to the good cause of yours. You may feel at times that you will never succeed. I just want to say that you are fighting for women like me. When you despair, think of me and millions of women with similar tragic experiences. Never give up. You are my knight in shining armour. I just want you to know that I am your keen supporter. " |
When I read an appalling story such as this one about the "love" of Islam—I KNOW why were are here! |
I read this recently, read and weep some more...
Some of her bones have been broken and her nose, breasts and genitals have been bitten because she refused to be converted to the religion of her husband. When the neighbours moved her to a hospital, still bleeding in her unconscious state, her brothers received threats that all the members of the family would be killed and her younger sisters would be abducted and raped if the matter was reported to the police. Dr. Fazia, the medical examiner of the hospital told the Daily Naya Akhbar of February 21, 2005 that in her professional career she had never come across such extreme violence to a woman. Honey suffered these savageries because she refused to accept the religion of her husband. The news was carried also in Daily Times of February 22, 2005.
Honey, a Christian from Karachi, Pakistan, married Faisal Raees, a Muslim, against the wishes of her parents. She ran away from her home to marry the man of her dreams. But the dream began to fade slowly when Faisal began to put pressure on her to become a Muslim. This pressure began to mount, reaching its peak on February 20 when her elder brother Richard came to see her. When he resisted cruelty to her younger sister, Faisal hit him and then put a gun to his head, threatening to kill him if he moved. He bound him with a rope. After that he took an iron rod and began to beat Honey, his wife. He removed her clothes in front of her brother. He also bit her nose, breasts and genitals. With a rod, he broke some of her bones and teeth. She lost consciousness. When she opened her eyes, she found herself in a hospital.
The neighbors told the same newspaper that they heard the heart-rending cries of Honey,
but they were afraid to enter her house. When they did, they saw that her husband was hitting her with an iron-rod while she was lying on the floor covered with blood, and naked. As her husband saw the neighbours, he ran away. They covered her with a bed sheet and then moved her to the Civil Hospital.
Her husband tried to enter the ward of the hospital where she was kept for medical care.
The timely actions of the hospital authorities prevented further violence on her. The medical doctor who cared her at the hospital told the same newspaper that Honey was not yet out of danger and if she survived she may not be able to conceive because of the violence on her private parts. Whenever she opened her eyes, the whole hospital shaked with her cries of physical and emotional pains.
Meanwhile, the entire family is hiding in a small house of their relatives, and the alleged culprit is free. Churches and other Christians are afraid of helping them for fear of being targets. Police have not even registered a case against him. Masood, an uncle of Honey, has telephoned major daily newspapers in Pakistan to cover the tragedy, but they did not have time to listen to him. The government authorities are indifferent to the case. He has been constantly on the phone to prevent additional tragedies to the family. He has not been able to find any office, active or inactive, of human rights in Karachi. He has telephoned everywhere he could to try to find a ray of hope. So far, he is out of luck in spite of the time and money he has spent on phone calls to several places in Pakistan and Canada.
Masood says that his relatives blame him for their sufferings. This is the latest in the series of their sufferings. The father of Masood, an officer in the military, was Muslim and his mother was Christian. Masood was the first to become Christian in his family. After him, other members became Christian and that opened a pandora’s box for them. They lost their decent jobs because of their religious affiliations. Those who looked for jobs were not successful.
Honey, a daughter of Masood’s brother, fell in love with Faisal Raees, a Muslim from Karachi whom she married in spite of the strong opposition from her parents. Though Honey married the man of her choice against the wishes of her parents, she did not sever her ties completely with her parents and relatives. Faisal, her husband, who wanted her to accept Islam, did not want her to have any contact with Christians. This is not what he had told her before their marriage.
Honey, a Christian, seems to be a visionary because she accepted to be the wife of a Muslim. This was following in the tradition of her grandmother, Masood’s mother, who remained Christian even when she was the wife of a Muslim. However, Masood’s parents were the product of the British era. The father of Masood left his wife and children to raise another family with a Muslim woman. Massod and his mother came to Canada.
Honey seems to have seen the man she wanted to marry through a rainbow of love that was based on the pillars of tolerance and is the mystery of coexistence. That love runs in the veins of live and let live. This philosophy embodies the prismatic colour of the ray that is the centre of any religion. This appears to be the ray that she perceived in her
ties with the man of her vision. But that vision turned into ashes in the fire of fanaticism. She appears to be an idealist that does not have a chapter in the book of the Pakistan of today.
Honey is not alone in this saga. One name that is worth quoting from the long list of the saga is Nora (not her real name). Another is Gulnar who received a treatment from extremists that may shock any civilized human, and a young girl, SK , who is still in hiding, vegetating in Pakistan. The list can go on.
Masood’s mother did not go through atrocities because of the different situation in the country in those early days in the life of Pakistan. Moreover, her husband held an officer’s status in the military and being a nurse herself she was financially independent, which makes a huge difference. She remained a good Christian and also a good Pakistani. She died in Canada in 2003. Masood took her dead body to Pakistan to bury her there according to her wishes. In spite of a discriminatory climate in Pakistan, she loved the country. Masood says that Pakistan was partially created also by Christians, who also voted for its creation and sacrificed their lives to defend its safety whenever it was challenged. Christians in Pakistan have not come from outside. They are real inhabitants of that area. But the climate of discrimination has suffocated their day-to- day life.
The suffocation is the outcome of the blasphemy laws that were introduced by Zia-ul-Haq. These laws have been fomenting violence in the country. Women from minority groups suffer the most because of the marginal status that these laws give to their religion and gender. In case of Honey, she is lucky in a way because she has an uncle in Canada who is doing everything possible to help her and her family. There have been victims who have not been so lucky. They lived in remote areas of Pakistan where there was no ready help available. Moreover, they did not know English, and so could not communicate with foreigners. Some of them surrendered because they could not confront the onslaught of the waves of extremism, not knowing that their surrender would weave more tangled webs.
Masood works with a penitentiary, and also runs an Indo/Pakistan restaurant. He and his wife June are active with their Anglican Church. Both are also founding members of an organization of South Asian Christians.
The main worry of Masood is the safety of the parents, brothers and sisters of Honey. They have been repeatedly threatened by the alleged perpetrator who has been moving around still as a free bird. Masood wants to get them to a safer place, but he finds no way in spite of the time and money that he has been spending. These worries are affecting his own work. What can he do to help Honey, her parents and brothers and sisters, is a question that he asks everyone?
Savage violence on Honey is the violation of Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that says that everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. The Universal Declaration clearly states that "this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief." If God is love as religions proclaim and if love is peace or if love and peace are the attributes of God, than why two young souls in love cannot enjoy this bliss without any pressure from the laws from any side and without the pressure from society? After all they were together in the initial stage of their love. Why this relationship changes into the urge for the complete possession of the spouse? This sense of possession has and is still destroying families.
The ideal way to have peace is to follow the golden rule of live and let live. The Council of Vatican 11 and the United Nations in its Declaration of Human Rights embody this principal when they acknowledge the right of every adult to follow their conscience in the matter of religion. Pakistan is a signatory of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. Pakistan has also signed conventions and treaties of this nature with the international community. It is a moral obligation of every signatory to honor their agreements. Governments are made of citizens who hand over their sovereignty to their governments through their elected representatives. Therefore it is obligatory for every citizen to honor every agreement that their representatives sign. Those agreements become useless to be thrown into the waste paper baskets if every signatory will start dishonouring them. This will not make the world a better place of peace and order. |
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daffodil
Joined: 19 Nov 2004
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What kind of animals does Islam breed?
The scary part is my mind has gone numb. I don't feel the pain of these women anymore. All I feel is anger. 'Get off this planet if you can't fight back you wimp', I want to shout. Yes, I am now angry at the victims for being victims. Why didn't Honey leave her husband the day she recieved pressure from him to convert?
Or let's take this testimony, 'An untold love story'. So this girl sees her sister stoned to death and can still stay sane. She even goes on to have 5 kids from a man from hell (but he's not such a bad sort, she claims). Her co-wife has the brains of a mule so one can't expect too much from her, but what is stopping this girl (who is intelligent because she can see through Islam) from taking that iron rod and smashing her husband's skull? Or running away? Or going to the authorities for protection?
What's the worst that can happen? Her father will try to kill her? Her life is a living death, anyway! She wants Islam to be defeated before it can mess up her daughters' lives. Well it ain't going to happen sister, not so soon. Odds of at least one daughter suffering a similar life are high. God helps those who help themselves. Look at Taslima Nasreen, she's still alive and happy, and a shining beacon of woman power. |
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armour_piercing_bullets
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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i will tell u the truth : a friend of mine a battle hardened
ex-army officer,who is also in fight agains islam,for
all his life now,read the article and cried.
he has killed atleast 50-70 jihadis,in kashmir,and has seen
much voilence and got many govt awards and has sustained
many war injuries.he hs been hospitalised many times
with life threatning injuries but he always bounces back.
he is over 40 now,and retired from army recently.
he never cried when his fellow officers or the soldiers
under his command died....but this time he broke down.
he is new to this site,and he is filled with rage,on seeing this
article.
i think he will do soemthing real crazy !!!!
pls keep up the good work !!!!
i also feel like crying...this is too much for me too !!! |
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rainbow
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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Disgusting animals! 
Rainbow
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Koran: 9.111 fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain
2.216 Fighting is prescribed for you.
9:14 Fight them! |
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rand
Joined: 16 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: An Untold Love Story |
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I read the story, it was quite sad.
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He is not a bad man at all. He is very kind, but he is a Muslim. He doesn’t understand why Europeans don’t like polygamy, for instance. He doesn’t allow us to leave the home. He protects our honour in this strange way. ...
We are both educated, but she(co-wife) is so obsessed with kids that she has given herself up. I am still trying to grasp at non-existent straws; probably one day I will be freed… I read books, keep myself informed and like to think. She is not remotely interested in reading books or thinking. I am alone.
Sometimes I think of running away, but I have 5 daughters. I can neither leave them, nor run away with them. Actually, I am stuck.
Even though I left Islam a long time ago, I cannot stop praying or fasting. My husband keeps a rod for the disobedient…
When I try to protest, my mouth is shut up with quotes from the Quran. Islam defines our lives. Isn’t it stupid that people live according to a book written a long time ago? |
Dear All,
She (Yagmur) is living a very difficult life, but she seems to act like there are no other choices but to wait and hope that one day her husband will be enlightened. Are there potential solutions?
One choice is to try to develop a scheme to enlighten the husband. Are there other schemes?
best wishes,
rand |
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| that is something that keeps bothering me: she says they live in UK, after living in Germany before: if this woman is literate enought to be on the internet, she certainly knows there are many institutions in the west who would help her in leaving the husband- and take the children. Even living on welfare would be preferable to the life she describes. So - why is she staying put? Makes me suspicious of the whole scenario, really. |
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Alkaliel
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| that is something that keeps bothering me: she says they live in UK, after living in Germany before: if this woman is literate enought to be on the internet, she certainly knows there are many institutions in the west who would help her in leaving the husband- and take the children. Even living on welfare would be preferable to the life she describes. So - why is she staying put? Makes me suspicious of the whole scenario, really. |
Actually, I've already sent an email to Ali. I am willing to help. He sent my letter to her and she replied that she was prepared to fight.
I contacted my boss who knows some good lawyers who work in the UK, the US and Canada. We will get her out of this Hell.
It seems to me she's quite depressed. I wonder why she didn't try to find a lawyer herself but maybe her depression is the reason.
She said her husband threatened to take children away from her. I can't say more because, you know, ethics and stuff.  |
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Alkaliel
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| diotima64 wrote: |
| that is something that keeps bothering me: she says they live in UK, after living in Germany before: if this woman is literate enought to be on the internet, she certainly knows there are many institutions in the west who would help her in leaving the husband- and take the children. Even living on welfare would be preferable to the life she describes. So - why is she staying put? Makes me suspicious of the whole scenario, really. |
I was thinking that as well Dio.
Why do these people always expect the world to rescue them?
Like you said, this woman is in the West. There are places to go and people who will help her.
We are doing what we can here and out and about. However, it is Muslims who must defeat Islam with their actions!
Vote with your feet woman! |
Don't be so harsh, Cyb. I deal with many women like her. You can't even imagine how miserable they are. Most of them don't want to get a divorce, in fact they just ask me to "speak to their husbands" and tell them that it's bad to batter wives.
This very woman seems to be so afraid of the world around her.
However, you are right. If nobody had read her testimony, she would have had to put up with her present life. She should have tried to do something herself.
Being a human right lawyer, I've learnt to be sympathetic.
Well, I just want to see what this case is all about. Now she appears to be sincere. |
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munira
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You don't have to live like that. You are in england.
First call child protection services:
Education Centre
97 Queens Road
Walthamstow
London
E17 8QS
Tel: 0208 496 5900
Email: EduAction@edu.lbwf.gov.uk
Contact us:
EduAction
Education Centre
97 Queens Road
Walthamstow
London
E17 8QS
Tel: 0208 496 5900
Email: EduAction@edu.lbwf.gov.uk
http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/index/education/schools-colleges/child-protection-service.htm
Polygamy is illegal in england. Call the police. He will surely be arrested. There are programs for young mothers like you to be able to be educated and live on your own. No need to live in hell now.
You story made me cry too. I cannot imagine a fathera llowing a daugther to be killed. His own flesh and blood that he created. Life is not fair. |
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daffodil
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Being a human right lawyer, I've learnt to be sympathetic.
Well, I just want to see what this case is all about. Now she appears to be sincere. |
Dear Alkaliel,
I find you a very sympathetic person who wants to help humanity. Please be careful it's not a trap for you or some other unsuspecting apostate.
I do agree that this woman has to a large extent lost her identity and courage, and I hope she grabs onto whatever lifeline you offer her with both hands! Btw have you asked her how she got access to the internet? Her husband does not allow her out of the house and keeps a rod handy in case the wives skip a prayer session. Would such a nutcase allow his wife to be within 10 miles of a computer? |
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Alkaliel
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| daffodil wrote: |
| Alkaliel wrote: |
Being a human right lawyer, I've learnt to be sympathetic.
Well, I just want to see what this case is all about. Now she appears to be sincere. |
Dear Alkaliel,
I find you a very sympathetic person who wants to help humanity. Please be careful it's not a trap for you or some other unsuspecting apostate.
I do agree that this woman has to a large extent lost her identity and courage, and I hope she grabs onto whatever lifeline you offer her with both hands! Btw have you asked her how she got access to the internet? Her husband does not allow her out of the house and keeps a rod handy in case the wives skip a prayer session. Would such a nutcase allow his wife to be within 10 miles of a computer? |
Of course, I am very careful. Muslims can go to extreme lengths to kill apostates.
I don't think there is some special about the fact that she uses a computer. I did think of it. I surfed through some sites and there are many women who live in similar Hells but still use computers and surf the Net.
I am going to exchange emails with her for some time and only then will I get down to business. |
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daffodil
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there is some special about the fact that she uses a computer. I did think of it. I surfed through some sites and there are many women who live in similar Hells but still use computers and surf the Net.
I am going to exchnage emails with her for some time and only then I will get down to business. |
Well, you know best. Since they have 9 kids in the house it makes sense that at least one computer exists, after all students need computers like they need water, these days. Good luck to you!  |
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Ali Sina
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| Please be careful it's not a trap for you or some other unsuspecting apostate. |
You guys better stop being paranoids. She at first wrote to me only a short note telling me about her and encouraging me to continue. She begged that I do not publish her letter. I wrote back and told her she must let the world know about her sister and her own story and convinced her to write in detail.
As you can all see, she is highly educated. Actually she is self educated. Now internet exit in every household and why her husband whom she says is not a bad person would keep her away from it. What possible danger (read temptation) a mother of five could face? She is dependant on him and he knows it perfectly. She seems to be resigned to her fate and is not showing any sign of hostility towards him. I don’t see any reason for him to ban her the Internet.
Thank you Alkaliel for contacting her and offering to help her. You are an angel. Even if she knows that there are people who care about her that is heart warming. I wrote a letter and give her my two cent worth of advice.
Dear Yagmur,
This was a very heart breaking story. Thank you for sharing it with the world. I am sure this story will be read by millions of people. I cried a lot and many will too.
As for yourself, if you married at 18 I assume you are still young. You are an exceptionally bright woman. Now let me repeat your own words. “Don’t give up and don’t despair.” Stop having more children in the hope of giving him a son. In UK it really makes no difference. Women have as much opportunity as men. Take a correspondence course. You seem to be talented in literature so take a course that most suits your talent. Once you have a degree and can find work on your own you become empowered and should anything happen between you and your husband, you won’t have to submit to his whims. You can start your own independent life.
In UK men are subject to UK laws. Your husband does not know that by “keeping a rod” he can go straight to jail if he uses it on you and your children. He does not know that if you ask for divorce, you can claim half of his wealth (or in your case because he has another wife this could be one third, I am not sure) and he has to pay child support. So really you do not have to put up with abuse.
Instill in your children self esteem and never let them feel inferior for being girls.
You are lucky for living in a Western country. Never go back to Turkey not even for a visit. In UK your husband is at your mercy. He, and maybe even you, still don’t know about your rights. To start with, tell him to shove that rod or you’ll go to police.
There are lots of apostate ladies in our forum. If you have time join and meet them. They can tell you about your legal rights. Believe me you have a lot of power that you don’t know about.
Take care my dear
Ali
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witness2evil
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The barbarism of islam is clear but too often denied by western appeasers. Islam is worse than a cult, it is a murderous ideology. I lived among the wahabis for more than 10 years and fear for my grandchildren as islamists will never give up their jihad. Islam must be defeated like the communists of the last century. |
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