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Sorge
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 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:45 am Post subject: Persecuting Apostates |
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An excellent article in Commentary: When Muslims Convert
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In the Islamic world, there is a broad consensus, both popular and scholarly, that apostates deserve to be killed. A rich theological and intellectual tradition, stretching as far back as Muhammad and his companions, supports this position. Though official proceedings against those who reject Islam are fairly rare—in part, no doubt, because most keep their conversion a closely held secret—apostasy is punishable by death in Afghanistan, Comoros, Iran, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen.1 It is also illegal in Jordan, Kuwait, Malaysia, the Maldives, Oman, and Qatar.
The greatest threat to apostates in the Muslim world derives not from the state, however, but from private individuals who take punishment into their own hands. In Bangladesh, for example, a native-born Muslim-turned-Christian evangelist was stabbed to death in the spring of 2003 while returning home from a film version of the Gospel of Luke. As another Bangladeshi apostate told the U.S. Newswire, “If a Muslim converts to Christianity, now he cannot live in this country. It is not safe. The fundamentalism is increasing more and more.”
Because of this ideological environment, every apostate in the Muslim world must live in constant fear of death. And unfortunately, as harsh recent experience has taught us, Islamist ideology is hardly confined to the Muslim world alone. Advocates of jihad, to say nothing of actual terrorists, can be found in every corner of the West. More disturbing, because of what it says about our own ideological self-defenses, is the respectability that has been granted to spokesmen for Islamic fundamentalism who have learned to promote their agenda in our own idiom, even as they argue that mere conversion out of Islam should be considered a crime.[...]
A still more original apologist for the harsh treatment of apostates who reside in the West is Ali Khan, a law professor at Washburn University in Kansas. In a recent issue of the Cumberland Law Review, Khan suggested that Islam can be seen as a form of intellectual property, and Muslims as “trustees” who have vowed to protect their faith’s “knowledge-based assets.”
These assertions, on their face, seem innocuous enough, if a bit absurd. But Khan’s argument quickly takes an ominous turn. If Islam is understood as intellectual property, he contends, the faith should enjoy what he calls “the right to integrity”—that is, its trustees should be able to safeguard “the protected knowledge from innovations, repudiation, internal disrespect, and external assaults.” Thus, Khan continues, apostasy should be punished because it
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| is aimed at dishonoring the protected knowledge of Islam. The murtad (apostate) is akin to a corporate insider who discloses the secrets he has undertaken to protect; he is akin to a state official who turns traitor and joins the ranks of the enemy; he is akin to a custodian who destroys the very monument he was safeguarding on behalf of the community. All legal systems punish insiders who breach their trusts; Islam punishes murtaddun [apostasy] too, sometimes severely.[...] |
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diotima64
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| A still more original apologist for the harsh treatment of apostates who reside in the West is Ali Khan, a law professor at Washburn University in Kansas. |
the really frightening thing is, that the law review accepted this piece of "reasoning" for publication.
I hope this Khan person loses his teaching position. |
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Ajax
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Persecuting Apostates |
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| In a recent issue of the Cumberland Law Review, Khan suggested that Islam can be seen as a form of intellectual property, and Muslims as “trustees” who have vowed to protect their faith’s “knowledge-based assets.” |
OK then, lawsuit time! I think Christians and Jews should sue muslims for copyright infringements. Certainly, what muslims claim as their intelectual property is actually a derivative work from Christianity and Judaism and they have done so without a proper licensing agreement and a license fee.
What's more, their End User License Agreement includes so many technical terms that normal users cannot translate into their native tongue and mischaracterizations of the said intellectual property. And after pages of pages of EULA that noone will read properly, there is only one "I agree" button that once you click will bind you for life under a penalty of death.
Edit: Correcting the quote source. Sorge didn't write that. Oops!
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shima
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That is called conspiracy to commit murder. A crime equal in punishment to murder itself.
Anybody talking about killing of apsotates should be arrested and put on trial for conspiracy to commit murder. A life sentence is appropriate for such criminals.
Carrying such acts in other countries is considered terrorism, and terrorists can be killed on the spot.
Any mullah issuing such orders must be killed. The world can do better without terrorist mullahs.
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Sorge
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Persecuting Apostates |
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OK then, lawsuit time! I think Christians and Jews should sue muslims for copyright infringements. Certainly, what muslims claim as their intelectual property is actually a derivative work from Christianity and Judaism and they have done so without a proper licensing agreement and a license fee.
What's more, their End User License Agreement includes so many technical terms that normal users cannot translate into their native tongue and mischaracterizations of the said intellectual property. And after pages of pages of EULA that noone will read properly, there is only one "I agree" button that once you click will bind you for life under a penalty of death.
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No, Ajax, I didn't write that, but I'm glad you hold me in such high regard to think that I did.
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