Muslims: What happened to Jesus

[Christian2]

Hello,

[raheel]

he was taken up to heaven by Allah and now resides there.

he will come down to earth on the nearing of the day of judgement (several years before?) and lead all to islam.

[sbwus]

[Christian2]

I will print out the sites you recommended and read them.

Thanks.

[Christian2]

[raheel]

when was he taken up to heaven?

Before jesus was going to be crucified-

the romans ended up crucifying someone else instead- who looked similar.


i don't what your muslim friend told you but it is quite clear in the Qur'an that Jesus will return:

When God said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:55)

[Mersk]

This is where the stupidity of Islam and Mo is most glaring. If Allaha the all knowing and all purpose Allaha who knows everything and wills everything, he is not only a great magician to the Muslims but also a great deceiver.

He deceived the Jews, because he is all knowing, into believing Jews killed Jesus, in order to follow up on inciting hatred for the Jews by Christians, but he's also a conniving bastard for deceiving Jesus' disciples and his love ones he died for them to create a religion Christian, which he had a hand in since Allaha is the deceiver, only to turn the Muslims against Chrisitan later on with Islam.

All these from Allaha playing tricks or treats for Muslims. What audacity for Muslims to follow up on such thought patterns of a Mad person in Mo. - And to think that they follow a deceiver simply because Mad Mo said so!

[Christian2]

raheel,

Thank you for your reply.

[Mersk]

[Christian2]

Hi Mersk,

[Mersk]

[Christian2]

Hi Mersk,

I don't know if you would be interested or not but I found the following articles on this subject facsinating:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Mna/frag4_1.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Mna/frag4_2.html

Here is a clip from Chapter two above:
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Again Dr. Ayoub found no difficulty in stating that the Qur'an plainly asserts that Jesus did die:

The Qur'an ... does not deny the death of Christ. Rather it challenges human beings who in their folly have deluded themselves into believing that they would vanquish the divine Word, Jesus the messenger of God. The death of Christ is asserted several times and in various contexts, see for example, S.3:55; 5:117; 19:33. [5]

According to Dr. Ayoub the Qur'an asserts the death of Christ several times and in various contexts. He does not appeal to any clever exegetical exercise, but to the clear passages of the Qur'an.

Not only do some Muslim thinkers assert Jesus did die, there are others who assert that Jesus died on the cross. The philosopher Abu Ya'qub Ishaq al-Sagastani said,

Without doubt murder and crucifixion were inflicted upon his body. The pronoun (hu) since it appeared at the end of the words 'murdered him' 'qataluhu', or crucified him is a pointing letter to the spirit (huwiyya) of Jesus. So in this exists the evidence that he who suffered death and crucifixion was not the spirit (huwiyya) of Jesus. [6] [empasis added]

The philosopher Sagastani sees that the Qur'an denies the crucifixion of the spirit of Jesus but undoubtedly affirms the physical crucifixion of the body of Jesus.

Mahmoud Mohammad Taha the leader of the Republican Brothers in Sudan, wrote in a booklet titled al-Masih:

The belief of the Muslims that Jesus did not die is based on Sura 4:157. [7] But it is clear that that verse does not give that understanding ... specially if we take into consideration the other verse in which God said, 'Isa [Jesus] I am about to cause you to die and lift you up to me', [8] and also the words, 'Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, the day I am raised up alive'. [9] Naturally the Qur'an does not contradict itself, for the the expression 'mutawaffika' means that he will die ... and also the expression 'the day I die' points in the same direction. So the straight understanding becomes that the Christ was killed, then raised up. And that is what is pointed to by the words of God, 'and they slew him not of a certainty - no indeed', [10] which means that without any doubt they killed him, as they thought they did, but they slew him not of a certainty which is the same expression as 'they thought they did' [11] ... this meaning appears in the Qur'an in other places such as the words of God, 'you did not slay them, but God did, and when thou throwest, it was not thyself that threw, but God threw'. [12] And the meaning of that verse is that, when you killed them, it was not you who killed them, but it was God. [13]

Thus Mamoud Mohammad Taha, like the philosopher Sagastani understood from the same Qur'anic passages that Jesus was killed by the Jews without a doubt, then raised up by God. With Dr. Ayoub he found no difficulty in concluding that the Qur'an speaks plainly of the death of Jesus, otherwise the Qur'an would be contradicting itself. He then proceeded to prove that this mode of expressing the death of Christ is not unique but has a parallel in the Qur'an, indeed it is an affirmation in the form of negation.
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In my view, the next step for the Muslims should be to study the OT prophecies of the promised long-hoped for Messiah, sin offerings, atonement, and decide for themselves who Jesus really was and why He came to earth.

Regards

[a_student]

[sbwus]

[Denis Giron]