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Alkaliel
Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 2879
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: Serious troubles |
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Dear All,
my apostate friend Fatima (http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6014) got into serious trouble. She received a letter from a Pakistani guy who threaned to kill her. It used to happen often to Fatima but this time Muslim wrote her full address in the letter. Nodody knows where he found her address but actually it doesn't matter. So now Fatima is moving to another town with her family. The problem is that they are buying/selling houses WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM THE NORWEGIAN AUTHORITIES.
The dumb police promised to "keep an eye" on Fatima but they think that there is nothing dangerous in this threat. They tried to calm Fatima down. You know, apostasy is not the reason for killing anyone.
Norway is lost, let's face it.
It is no longer a joke "Mo was a pedophile and created a blood cult ". It is serious.
Dear apostates, please be careful. The death penalty for apostasy is not a joke made up by Ali Sina to amuse himself.
I myself will have to reconsider my attitude towards privacy and security. |
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Susan
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 1534
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Dear Alka,
I am very sorry to hear of your and Fatima's troubles. Be careful yourself.
Most authorities in the West seem to be worthless when it comes to Muslim threats and violence. They are too compromised by PeeCee. |
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Mersk

Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 5764
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Serious troubles |
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Dear All,
my apostate friend Fatima (http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6014) got into serious trouble. She received a letter from a Pakistani guy who threaned to kill her. It used to happen often to Fatima but this time Muslim wrote her full address in the letter. Nodody knows where he found her address but actually it doesn't matter. So now Fatima is moving to another town with her family. The problem is that they are buying/selling houses WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM THE NORWEGIAN AUTHORITIES.
The dumb police promised to "keep an eye" on Fatima but they think that there is nothing dangerous in this threat. They tried to calm Fatima down. You know, apostasy is not the reason for killing anyone.
Norway is lost, let's face it.
It is no longer a joke "Mo was a pedophile and created a blood cult ". It is serious.
Dear apostates, please be careful. The death penalty for apostasy is not a joke made up by Ali Sina to amuse himself.
I myself will have to reconsider my attitude towards privacy and security. |
Is it possible to put up the letter here minus the details. I think it'll be good to let people know this threat is real and not imaginary although we shouldn't be fearing Islam, but I think it is necessary so that Muslims can be taken to task for what Islam stands for wherever they might be. - A reintroduction of this letter openly to people trying to use Islam to arouse Islamists to intimate others can be a useful reminder why Islam needs to be checked. |
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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 6442
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Alkaliel,
I assume you know the guy is a Pakistani. Does he give his name, his address, etc.? Where was the letter mailed? The point is that all of the information she can give should be published if the police are not going to do anything. Pakistan at the moment is sensitive to be labeled fanatic. If she can generate publicity about it (like getting the letter scanned, blacking out her address and name, putting out on the web). We can generate a letter writing campaign on her behalf to the Pakistani ambassador in Norway to take measures against the Pakistani nationals. It will not give here security but will help in waking up the people and applying pressure on the Pakistani governent. It will reduce ever so slightly the chance of a pakistani muslim threatening again. This may not be much but better than doing nothing. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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Alkaliel
Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 2879
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Is it possible to put up the letter here minus the details. |
It is written in broken Norwegian with occasional Russian words. I suspect that guy studied in Russia like many great terrorists and so he knows Russian a bit. I believe that even Mahmud Abbas studied in Russia. I can translate it or scan. But I will have to know Fatima's opinion first. |
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Alkaliel
Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 2879
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Alkaliel,
I assume you know the guy is a Pakistani. Does he give his name, his address, etc.? Where was the letter mailed? The point is that all of the information she can give should be published if the police are not going to do anything. Pakistan at the moment is sensitive to be labeled fanatic. If she can generate publicity about it (like getting the letter scanned, blacking out her address and name, putting out on the web). We can generate a letter writing campaign on her behalf to the Pakistani ambassador in Norway to take measures against the Pakistani nationals. It will not give here security but will help in waking up the people and applying pressure on the Pakistani governent. It will reduce ever so slightly the chance of a pakistani muslim threatening again. This may not be much but better than doing nothing. |
Dear doubtless,
I am not sure Fatima wants to publish the letter. Unfortunately Theo Van Gogh was not saved even though his story was published and he was a famous man. I can of course take the letter and publish it but Fatima and her relatives are planning to go underground at the moment.
The Muslim didn't name himself but his said that "his fellow-Pakistanis" are with him. |
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Susan
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Surely the letter would have fingerprints on it and possibly DNA samples?
Are the Norwegian police so worthless they cannot analyze the letter for fingerprints? |
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doubtless
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Is it possible to put up the letter here minus the details. |
It is written in broken Norwegian with occasional Russian words. I suspect that guy studied in Russia like many great terrorists and so he knows Russian a bit. I believe that even Mahmud Abbas studied in Russia. I can translate it or scan. But I will have to know Fatima's opinion first. |
Alkaliel, Pakistani who knows a bit of russian and if the letter is mailed in norway then perhaps in norway gives a lot of information. A few bits of more information and it can be narrowed down and hopefully the S.O.B. can be identified. Please see if the letter can be scanned and tell her to treat the letter and the envelope as evidence (i.e. no more additional fingerprints on it and do not allow the fingerprints already on it to be wiped). It just may come in handy later. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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Alkaliel
Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 2879
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: |
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The letter has no fingerprints. The police checked it.
The letter was in an envelope without address. The Muslim probably just put the letter into the letter-box himself. The neighbours didn't see anyone.
The police said that they need some more evidence because the letter could be well written by Fatima herself. But they can't just ignore the threat so they promised to "keep an eye" on Fatima as I've already written. |
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Hector

Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 7144 Location: Astroistan
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:30 am Post subject: |
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I suggest when people write testimonies, that they do not provide any specific information about themselves or their families. The more specific information the more clues there are to uncovering identity.
I think the reasons for apostacizing is important, but personal details are not. If needed, one must be intentionally vague. This is merely self-protection and we know what Islamocrazies are capable of doing. _________________ What sort of man would f*ck a sweet little prepubescent nine-year-old child who liked playing with dolls and swings? Mo the demon Pedophile. |
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Mirror of Truth
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 184
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I suggest when people write testimonies, that they do not provide any specific information about themselves or their families. The more specific information the more clues there are to uncovering identity.
I think the reasons for apostacizing is important, but personal details are not. If needed, one must be intentionally vague. This is merely self-protection and we know what Islamocrazies are capable of doing. |
Without the burden of identity you could write 3 testimonies each at least - fabricate apostasy stories to your heart's content.
Like letters to porn magazines - I'm sure all of those are real too.
Regards. _________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident.
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Alkaliel
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Fatima has just called and said she wanted to go underground and she was really afraid of publicity. Muslims have nothing to lose and if this Muslim is exposed and arrested, the other one will kill Fatima just to revenge for his fellow Muslim. She thinks (and I agree with her) that Muslims are not afraid of prisons, fines, punishments etc. The norwegian police are useless but we decided not to intervene with the authorities.
Only God knows if Muslims are aware of my apostasy so I decided to go underground too. I don't know who watches this site and I decided to leave it and stop irritating Muslims. I didn't decide it in a day and I considered stopping posting here for quite some time as I've received too many threats. But this one (though addressed to Fatima) was over the top.
I understand that it is my responsibility as an apostate to tell people about Islam, but I think my life is more important.
It was very interesting for me to post on this forum and I am really sorry for leaving you like that.
I am sure that my main responsibility is to protect my family. I am afraid my parents, sister or brother can be harmed by brainless Muslims. This threat is not a joke and I have to be careful. I may be exaggerating and posting on this site may be harmless but I hope everyone will understand me. I do not think that Muslims found Fatima because of this site or any other anti-Islamic sites. However I still have to "overprotect" myself.
Dear Ali Sina, I hope you will succeed and Islam will be slain. I wrote my testimony and I translated the letter to mankind for you. I feel that my mission is finished.
Dear Muslims, I hope one day you will understand what Islam is and will leave it. If you don't leave it, I hope nuclear weapons will take care of you. I am very angry today and the reasons are clear.
I thank everyone for good company but I have to say "farewell".
My mail is alkaliel-yahoo.com, if you want to contact me personally.
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jonny2mad
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 771
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:59 am Post subject: |
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if people could fake apostasy storys isnt that islams fault ?
I mean I cant think of another religion that kills people for leaving .
I could stand outside my old church and tell everyone there that I thought it was a fraud ,and no body would try to do me any harm at all .
lets face it your in a larger version of the manson family. |
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Mahmud
Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 22
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Alkaliel,
you made the right decision. The Dutch police are the same. I have similar problems. My relatives want to kill me too.
You shouldn't put your life at risk. We can do much more if we are alive.
I wish you all the best.
You are a nice person.
Be sure nuclear weapons will take care of Muslims if they are too aggressive. |
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diotima64

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 16559 Location: middleearth
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Alkaliel,
I understand, but regret your decision to leave...you will be missed!
I hope you can find the time/energy/courage to drop by now and then?
All the best for you from your fellow lawyer
Dio |
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