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Frodo Baggins

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 3172 Location: Dar ul-Bacon
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: Hadith about "greater and lesser Jihad"? |
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I know there is supposed to be ONE hadith saying something about the "greater" Jihad being an "inner struggle", and the "lesser" Jihad armed struggle. Does anybody know which one it is? _________________ Do you know of any good links about Islam? Suggest them to me for the Internet Toolbox for Islam-critics, and inform me about links not working. |
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humandecency

Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 18818 Location: This side of the black stump.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: |
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The internal Jihad
Learning the Qur'an by heart is considered engaging in Greater Jihad
The internal Jihad is the one that the Prophet (pbuh) is said to have called the "greater Jihad".
But the quotation in which the Prophet (pbuh) says this is regarded as coming from an unreliable source by some scholars. They regard the use of "Jihad" to mean "holy war" as the more important.
The phrase Greater Jihad refers to the efforts of a believer to live their Muslim faith as well as possible.
All religious people want to live their lives in the way that will please their God.
So Muslims make a great effort to live as Allah has instructed them; following the rules of the faith, being devoted to Allah, doing everything they can to help other people.
For most people, living God's way is quite a struggle. God sets high standards, and believers have to fight with their own selfish desires to live up to them, no matter how much they love God.
The Five Pillars of Islam as Jihad
The 5 Pillars of Islam form an exercise of Jihad in this sense, since a Muslim gets closer to Allah by performing them.
Other ways in which a Muslim engages in the "Greater Jihad" could include:
Learning the Qur'an by heart, or engage in other religious study.
Overcoming things such as anger, greed, hatred, pride, or malice.
Giving up smoking.
Cleaning the floor of the mosque.
Taking part in Muslim community activities.
Working for social justice.
Forgiving someone who has hurt them.
The Greater Jihad Controversy
Prophet (pbuh) is said to have called the internal Jihad the "greater Jehid".
On his return from a battle, the Prophet (pbuh) said: "We are finished with the lesser jihad; now we are starting the greater jihad." He explained to his followers that fighting against an outer enemy is the lesser jihad and fighting against one's self is the greater jihad (holy war).
This quotation is regarded as unreliable by some scholars. They regard the use of jihad as meaning "holy war" as the more important.
However the quotation has been very influential among some Muslims, particularly Sufis.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/features/jihad/jihad2.shtml _________________ The Swordy Whahabian flag bears the sword, islamic symbol of peace.
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humandecency

Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 18818 Location: This side of the black stump.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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As my simpleton brother may not post in his own name from my computer he is going to dictate a comment from which I totally disassociate myself from.
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Peace to all,
Greater Jihad is, I think what Osama Bin Laden wants. But Bush has dropped bombs on Afghanistan because he wants Lesser Jihad. That's what I think anyway. |
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Sir Galahad

Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 1938 Location: Avalon
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: geater Jihad |
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Dear Frodo Baggins,
Bernard claimed that this story can be found in the following Hadith.
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Anyway, normally a renowned scholar of Islam stating these words about Jihad would have been enough for most people but you Islamophobes want more. You want the actual Hadirh. I am impressed. But I know it is not for sincere learning but that you probably believe you know something. So with that I will give you the Hadith:
Al 'Iraqy in Takhriju AHadithil Ihya' states that the hadith was narrated by Imam Baih from Jabir" [Risalah Jihad, Hasan al-Banna].
Apart from the Hadith related by Imam Baihaqi there is also a Hadith related by Al-Khatib Al-Baghadadi from Jabir, which states: "the Prophet (s.a.w), at the time he returned from a battle said: 'We have all just returned to the best of places, and you have returned from Jihad Asghar (the lesser Jihad) to strive in Jihad Akbar (the greater Jihad)'. The companions asked: 'What is Jihad Akbar Rasulullaah?' He answered: 'The Jihad of someone against his desires'." [Tarikh al Baghadadi 13/493]
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=94156&highlight=&sid=4cf051f9303324d03ed68c8b7b288848#94156
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This story about the greater Jihad cannot be found in the earliest Hadith collections: Bukari, Sahi Muslim and Abu Dawud. For this reason, I consider it to be a fabrication of a much later date.
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Warfare is only one interpretation of the concept of jihad. The root meaning of "effort" never disappeared. Jihad may be an inward struggle (directed against evil in oneself) or an outward one (against injustice). A hadith defines this understanding of the term. It recounts how Muhammad, after a battle, said, "We have returned from the lesser jihad (al-jihad al-asghar) to the greater jihad (al-jihad al-akbar)." When asked, "What is the greater jihad?," he replied, "It is the struggle against oneself."16 Although this hadith does not appear in any of the authoritative collections, it has had enormous influence in Islamic mysticism (Sufism).
Sufis understand the greater jihad as an inner war, primarily a struggle against the base instincts of the body but also resistance to the temptation of polytheism. Some Sufi writers assert that Satan organizes the temptation of the body and the world to corrupt the soul. Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali (1059-1111), probably the most important figure in Islam's development after the prophet, describes the body as a city, governed by the soul, and besieged by the lower self. Withdrawal from the world to mystical pursuits constitutes an advance in the greater jihad. Conversely, the greater jihad is a necessary part of the process of gaining spiritual insight.17 By the eleventh century Sufism had become an extremely influential, and perhaps even the dominant, form of Islamic spirituality. To this day, many Muslims conceive of jihad as a personal rather than a political struggle. But Sufism provoked opposition, most importantly from Ibn Taymiya, who condemned many aspects of Sufism which he believed contradicted the Shari'a. His disciple Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziya (1292-1350) explicitly condemned the doctrine of greater jihad, discarding as a deliberate fabrication the hadith that originates this concept. http://www.meforum.org/article/357 |
I hope this was helpful.
Kind regards, _________________ Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality which guarantees all others. _Winston Churchill
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Frodo Baggins

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 3172 Location: Dar ul-Bacon
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_jihad.htm
In the Qur'an, however, and even in later Muslim usage, the term jihad is usually followed by the expression fi sabil Illah, which means "in the path of God." The description of violence against the enemies of the Muslim community as jihad fi sabil Illah gave a sacred meaning to what was otherwise just tribal warfare.
The Hadith is a collection of reports of sayings and actions of Muhammad, and it follows the Qur'an as the most important source of Islamic law. In Hadith collections, jihad almost always refers to armed action. As an example, there are nearly 200 references to jihad in the most standard collection of hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari, and all assume that jihad means warfare. It is not surprising, then, that the majority of classical theologians, jurists, and traditionalists understand jihad in a military sense.
Contrary to popular perception, jihad is not about forced conversions. It certainly may have filled that role very early on, when Islam was first expanding, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time. It is instead a political goal: bringing as much of the world under the control of Islam as is possible. This then allows for the fulfillment of two other goals: promoting Islam among non-Muslims and establishing a just political and social order (only possible under Islam).
Ibn Taymiya (1268-1328) took an even more active view of j'ihad. He argued that a ruler who fails to enforce the Shari'a (Islamic law) in all aspects forfeits his right to rule - thus, jihad against this ruler becomes acceptable, if not mandatory. One of the aspects of Shari'a which a Muslim ruler must enforce is, in fact, jihad itself - but against the enemies of Islam, especially those who threaten it form the outside. Taymiya's thoughts have heavily influenced Muslim extremists in the twentieth century, including the Muslim Brotherhood and Osama bin Laden.
But the root meaning of jihad simply refers to "effort," and that sense of the word never entirely disappeared. Thus, it is not unreasonable to point to jihad as involving both inward struggle (directed against evil in oneself) and also an outward one (against injustice in society or the world generally).
A Hadith expounds upon this understanding by recounting how Muhammad, upon returning from a victorious battle, told others that "We have returned from the lesser jihad (al-jihad al-asghar) to the greater jihad (al-jihad al-akbar)." When asked what this "greater jihad" could be in relation to the battle just fought, he informed them that it was the struggle "against oneself."
Of course, it must be noted that this particular Hadith does not appear in any of the authoritative collections, and even with the idea that the "greater jihad" is against internal evil, it nevertheless remains true that the battle against external evil remains a valid form of jihad. This Hadith has, however, been very influential among Sufi mystics through the centuries. _________________ Do you know of any good links about Islam? Suggest them to me for the Internet Toolbox for Islam-critics, and inform me about links not working. |
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Sir Galahad

Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 1938 Location: Avalon
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: greater jihad? |
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Dear Frodo Baggins,
I quoted Bernard because his source might be correct. I have not checked it yet and therefore I do not know whether it is reliable. _________________ Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality which guarantees all others. _Winston Churchill
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Frodo Baggins

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 3172 Location: Dar ul-Bacon
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I am still looking for the hadith in question. _________________ Do you know of any good links about Islam? Suggest them to me for the Internet Toolbox for Islam-critics, and inform me about links not working. |
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