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father_satans_follower
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Phedippedes
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| It's the other way around. This Nadir ran away. You will find the *entire* 'debate' on this site...not on 'examin the truth'. |
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MrHappy
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Against my better judgement I took a quick look at this. FFS they are still going on about "miracles" in the quran.
The contortions these feckers perform trying to make a miracle out of a vague observation in the koran is un-fecking-believable. Particularly impressive was this dicks formula;
1. Bee = 1/2
2. Iram = 1/10,000
3. Barrier between the seas = 1/10,000
4. Barrier between salt and fresh waters= 1/10,000
5. complete darkness in the deep ocean = 1/10,000
6. Lowest point on earth = 1/10,000
7. Iron = 1/10,000
8. Orbit = 1/10,000
1/2 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 = 1/2.0 *10^28
Oh yes, it makes perfect sense !!!
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Abd al-Haqq
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Emmanuel
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: Show me the prove |
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| Meaning you lost the debate, show me that prove then I will convert to Islam. But if don't have the prove, then what would you do with Islam??. |
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a_student
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NA's "proof" consists of an alleged disproof of one of Ali Sina's claims. Never mind that the particular claim is irrelevant to Ali Sina's greater claim that Mohammedanism is not the truth.
This is typical Mohammedan style of argumentation. Find one flaw in your opponent's argument and use it as proof that the opponent's argument is completely wrong. I've seen this done to Christoph Luxenberg. A Mohammedan claimed to have found a mistake in Luxenberg's work; therefore, Luxenberg is completely wrong.
Rhetoric is never a Mohammedan's strong point. 
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Huston
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: ALI SINA ON THE RUN!!! [*READ*] |
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Is it me or is it that Nadir Ahmed cannot read?
Ali is saying that the verses are common sense or simply worng, and Nadir is claiming something about coincidences. 
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WhammyAthame
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: ALI SINA ON THE RUN!!! [*READ*] |
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NO! it is not!
a va de fafen de allah od avavox tonvg |
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MrHappy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:22 am Post subject: Re: ALI SINA ON THE RUN!!! [*READ*] |
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| Huston wrote: |
Is it me or is it that Nadir Ahmed cannot read?
Ali is saying that the verses are common sense or simply worng, and Nadir is claiming something about coincidences. |
These "miracles" remind me of the scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian when the guy holds up Brian's sandal and say "It's a sign !!! It's a sign !!"
No, it's a sandal !!
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IoshkaFutz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Ciao Whammy,
a va de fafen de allah od avavox tonvg
Is va de fafen like ... vaffanc...lo? |
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Hector
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| MrHappy wrote: |
Against my better judgement I took a quick look at this. FFS they are still going on about "miracles" in the quran.
The contortions these feckers perform trying to make a miracle out of a vague observation in the koran is un-fecking-believable. Particularly impressive was this dicks formula;
1. Bee = 1/2
2. Iram = 1/10,000
3. Barrier between the seas = 1/10,000
4. Barrier between salt and fresh waters= 1/10,000
5. complete darkness in the deep ocean = 1/10,000
6. Lowest point on earth = 1/10,000
7. Iron = 1/10,000
8. Orbit = 1/10,000
1/2 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 = 1/2.0 *10^28
Oh yes, it makes perfect sense !!! |
Even supposing we accept those stupid probabilities, which we don't, we can still show the Quran is ZERO percent miraculous.
We just add another probability.
9. Everything made in pairs = 0%
Therefore, 1/2 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 * 1/10,000 = 1/2.0 *10^28 * 0 = 0.
Duh!
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WhammyAthame
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| IoshkaFutz wrote: |
Ciao Whammy,
a va de fafen de allah od avavox tonvg
Is va de fafen like ... vaffanc...lo? |
LOL no!
I am waiting for our satanist friend to prove he's really a satanist by translating something for me. He seems to avoid the issue. I think he needs to eat a few prunes  |
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Ali Sina
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Here is the entire debate:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm
A few weeks after we had this debate, this forum crashed and we lost about three months worth of the discussions including our debate with Nadir Ahmed. NA trumpeted that we did that on purpose because we were defeated and did not want anyone to see. For his bad luck, someone had saved this particular thread. He sent it to me and I posted it in the main site. You can get to it from the debate page. He still claims I am afraid of posting the debte when everyone can easly find it by going to debate page and looking for his name.
Now why Nadir Ahmed reappears after almost a year? Well because he does not like me. He loves to debate with famous people and build up a portfolio. He thinks their fame can rub on him and make him famous too. He recently challenged Robert Spencer for a debate and Rob accepted. He wrote to me and asked whether I know anything about this character. I sent him the following email and Rob realizing this is just a village idiot, denied his request. That is why he is now so upset. This is what I wrote to Rob.
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Dear Robert,
Forget about this idiot Nadir Ahemd. He is not a
scholar at all. He is a rude fame seeker. All he does
is challenge people with some name and then he
conducts his debates with ad hominem and after making
a total fool of himself he claims victory. This man is
totally insane. If you read the debates that he had in
our forum and with others like Dr. Murray and Sam
Shamoun you get an idea of how stupid he is.
Last year our forum crashed and we lost three months
of debate which was not backed up. We also lost the
debate we had with this individual. He then trumpeted
that we did that on purpose because we were
embarrassed for losing the debate to him. Out of his
bad luck, a member of our forum had saved the whole
debate with him. He sent it to me and I published it
in the main site. You can find it here:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NadirAhmed.htm
It can be accessed from the debates page. But this
degenerate still goes on saying I am afraid of
publishing that debate.
Read that debate and you’ll see that this man is not a
scholar. He is a total nutcase. His expertise is in
challenging the big names then insulting them and then
posting those “debates” in his site claiming victory.
He thinks if he debates with some famous names he
becomes famous too, but his knowledge of Islam is
limited to only 8 points that he thinks are wonders of
Islam and he repeats them to everyone. He is so tick
that he does not know he is defeated and keeps asking
the same questions from others.
You want my advice? Just ignore him the way you would
ignore a barking dog. He is simply not worth your
time. Instead debate with his boss Jalal Abualrub. I
had a short debate with him and he seems to be more
respectable person. Here is our debate.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/jalalabualrub.htm
You can send a copy of this letter to this fruitcake.
If he had any decency he would not go saying I have
not published our debate when as you see it has been
published. So if you have no patience reading all the
garbage that he writes, only this can tell you that he
has no scruples and does not mind to lie. Several
Muslims have written to me saying he is making such
claim and why I am afraid of posting our debates on my
site. I send them the above link which shows he is a
liar. This is a good thing for me because immediately
discredits him. But the man has no shame and he does
not feel embarrassed being caught lying.
The only reason he wants to debate with you is because
he wants to build up his portfolio claiming he has
debated with so many famous anti Islamists. The topics
of all these debates are exactly the same – his
favorite 8 tried and refuted miracles of the Quran. In
all these debates he is the loser, but that does not
bother him. Or actually he is so stupid that he does
not even notice he is defeated. He is happy, as long
as he goes around claiming he has debated with famous
people and hence he hopes their fame may rub on him
too.
Actually even Muslims think he is an idiot.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=53510&highlight=#53510
Even you accepted to debate with him, just ignore him.
He is simply not worth your time. |
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father_satans_follower
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:09 am Post subject: Okay |
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Ali Sina,
*I DARE YOU TO HAVE A DEBATE WITH OSAMA ABDULLAH FROM http://www.answering-christianity.com
His site is amazing. Just check out the scientific miracles of the Quran on his website.
ALSO, ALL THE SO CALLED 'DEBATES' ON YOUR WEBSITE.. WELL, YOU COULD *MAKE THEM ALL UP* YOURSELF!!! YOU COULD BE FOOLING US! MAYBE ZAKIR NAIK DIDNT EVEN REJECT YOUR INVITATION! YOU ARE JUST DECIEVING US SINA! |
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father_satans_follower
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: Okay |
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Ali Sina,
*I DARE YOU TO HAVE A DEBATE WITH OSAMA ABDULLAH FROM http://www.answering-christianity.com
His site is amazing. Just check out the scientific miracles of the Quran on his website.
ALSO, ALL THE SO CALLED 'DEBATES' ON YOUR WEBSITE.. WELL, YOU COULD *MAKE THEM ALL UP* YOURSELF!!! YOU COULD BE FOOLING US! MAYBE ZAKIR NAIK DIDNT EVEN REJECT YOUR INVITATION! YOU ARE JUST DECIEVING US SINA! |
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