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Death Threat For the Author of the Prophet of Doom
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Sumon1



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intimidation and threat to non-muslims are every day life in Islamic countries. The followers of Islam are very much used to it because no non-muslms dare to challange in those countries.

It is almost half way to leave Islam if one can oblige the real muslims to abondone Islamic intimidation and threat. If the rest, Islamic faking, can be taken away then it is almost gone !
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dino wrote:
Shake Down wrote:
I read his book on line and think its camel poop! Did you know that camel poop has many uses? I did not like the style and all the logicial and even illogicial fallicies. His hate way out shinned his scholorship and objectivity. But I did find a few items of interest.

Should he be killed for writting such a poor piece of crap? NO!!!

So you acknowledge that the koran is just camel poop. Iam greatful that you are honest.

Dino,
Can you read? Or maybe I just can't write clearly. No mater.
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No matter how you look at camel poop it will still remain like camel poop. Don't you agree.

No, I totally disagree. Don't ever question me on this subject again! I am an expert and you are not.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Craig Winn/"Prophet of Doom" Reply with quote

I was mortified when I read the death threat against Craig Winn on www.prophetofdoom.net. two days ago. This behavior has been the modus operandi of Islam from the beginning, yet in the USA most of our citizens either are not aware of the truth or refuse to believe the truth and turn a blind eye. Thanks to Ali Sina and others the truth is the best antidote to this poisonous/Satanic "religion".
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No mater. <--spelling error

What are ur qualifications?
Btw you spelt matter wrong.

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Shake Down



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dino wrote:
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No mater. <--spelling error

What are ur qualifications?
Btw you spelt matter wrong.


I own a camel ranch. I did not spell poop wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You own a CAMEL ranch? In the US? Really? What are the camel's used for? Or are they like novelty pets or riding animals like the alpacca are?

An aside here. I agree with you: that book is a load of "camel poop;" not because it's wrong - only because it's vulgar. Truth needs to be told and should never be stopped - certainly not by death threats - but preferrably without being worded in a way guaranteed to offend and alienate much of its audience. That's why I won't host it on my own website. I try to keep profanity and crudeness to a minimum there as it would reflect poorly on family, my self, and all of our causes if I didn't. Know what I mean?
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Shake Down



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ampbreia,
I was just joking about owning a camel ranch. But I do know a lot about camels and their waste products. Did you know that their poop is used just like coal to make fire? I used to go out in the desert and sit with the beduins and sip tea on my days off while working in Saudi Arabia.

I disagreed with plenty in this book not just his writing style. I'm not saying the book was all lies or his sources were all inaccurate but much of it was even you accept sunni materials. Also, much was "true" if you accept sunni hadiths and history as accurate.

I found the book not enjoyable, not because of content but because of style. I never call Ali Sina's articles "poop" because I enjoy reading them even when I disagree.

I'm now looking at:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/prophet_of_doom_book_rebuttal.htm
I'm not a big fan of this site, but use it on occasion to keep a balanced view.

I hope this New Year will bring you joy and peace.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Count me in the same category. I did not like the style. I thought the style would have been much matter of fact had it been written by an Ex-muslim. But I do agree with most of the content. I am looking forward to Ali's book.
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Sumon1



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ciberite, post 5192;

"...that validate these crimes against innocents."


Those grisly photos represent against anything to do with life. Not only validate crimes against innocents but against the entire humanity.

Only fits well in the living rooms of the Islmists who can conduct such dreadful acts.

The history of the past 1400 years are full with such grisly photos in live or in memories.

Can cause serious and permanent psychological damage to normanl humans.

Is there any way to mask the photos but keeping the message ?
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mike hunt muhammad



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyber those photos are truly awful ....muslims are vile filthy animals i see they also have online petion in the chat caves .wanting the doom book banned......now how do you get some one to read a book........ ban it......or try to the muslim will be flocking to see what all the hooha is about..........did i mention they are not very bright
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Theo Van Gogh
Now if this has nothing to do with islam,

and,

if this has nothing to do with islam,


Did the Prophet approve?
Then this prophet has nothing to do with islam.

Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”

Then Muslims must Dissasociate frm this Terrorist Criminal Prophet.
And being of unsound character, his words are of doubtful value.
And then they cannot accept this alleged book of Revelations


It 's all very simple. If headchopping (like the images above) are against islam, then Muhammad was against islam.

If you want to keep Muhammad. Then you keep Terrorism as part of your religion.

Islam will only become acceptable to civilization, when muslims drop Muhammad and his Q'rap.

Have you noticed that while stories of Marriages to Muslims are always about love, compassion and enlightenment before the wedding, - stories of of such marriages after the wedding, on the other hand, are always about hate, bile and vengeance?
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Ash Shuura



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humandecency,

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Now if this has nothing to do with islam,


It depends on whose version of islam you're talking about. It is pretty impossible to find a unified set of principles in any ideology. Some say the real meaning of the word is submission to the universal order of things. Decent human beings will condemn this act without question. Regrettably, there are those who will submit to their lower desires as opposed to adopting the correct principles, anyone who uses their rationality will conclude murder is wrong.

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Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”


Indeed, these are not the correct principles. Nevertheless these are hearsay, human conjecture. The veracity of this is questionable and would not stand in the court of law. Hence, we can not accept it as a basis to make any rational conclusions. However, we can condemn those who use the above to justify murder.

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Then Muslims must Dissasociate frm this Terrorist Criminal Prophet.
And being of unsound character, his words are of doubtful value.


Do you believe in the veracity of the so called prophetic traditions carte blanche? Even traditional muslims reject some traditions. How can we seperate your view against those traditional muslims? Do they pick and choose the good in them, while you choose the ones similar to above? Or do you accept evertyhing to be correct in those books?

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And then they cannot accept this alleged book of Revelations


What if the book you describe contradicts the above statement, can you show me where it instructs to cut the head off an innocent soul? Could you clarify your train of thought how you link an alleged character to an arabic book and what is contained therein?

regards,
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ash Shuura; It depends on whose version of islam you're talking about. It is pretty impossible to find a unified set of principles in any ideology.

dear Ash Shuura greetings and welcome to FFI.., I read few of your responses., You have a very nice of commenting and questioning the responses of forummers.., So I wonder whose version of Islam DO YOU FOLLOW and Do you believe in?? Does Mohammad's Islam in combination with his book Q'uran,( Not very certain about the autor of Q'uran) Hadiath, Sunnah etc..doesn't they Unify the principles in Islam?

with best regards
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ash Shuura,

It is not important to me if the Hadith or any other books are true or not. The important thing is that these texts, are the basis of religion for the huge majority of muslims.

To me these texts paint a picture of a man considered to be a prophet who performed countless disgusting deeds.

He was also a liar. So based from the information in the Hadiths, the word of this man cannot be trusted.

Especially on his claim to be the receiver of revelations. So on that basis alone, his Koran should be discounted.

I wrote:
And then they cannot accept this alleged book of Revelations

You have split this from the previous sentence which said that his character made his word extremely unacceptable. That is what I meant.

The point I made was that muslims cannot just say
'it has nothing to do with our religion - it does not teach that." I have lots of muslim supporters on my interpretation. Take Hamas as an example. They preach violence and hatred. And are these just islated groups? No! Muslims all over the world mourned for the Spiritual leader of murderers, Yassin.
They mourned for other terrorist murderers that were assassinated. And all these people base their morality on the koran and hadith.

This is evidenced in the mosques, where nothing but hate is preached.
If you need proof of this, go to www.memri.org they monitor and translate all the hate preached in mosques and arabic broadcasting.
This cannot but influence a great number of muslims.

On the basis of the Hadiths, it is an absurdity to say that the Prophet was a man to be emulated. And then to say it is a religion of peace. It makes no more sense than to say that Hitler was a man to be emulated and then claim nazism as an ideology of peace. You can't revere and emulate a warmonger and then honestly claim to be peaceful.

But just the Koran on it's own, there are still lots of verses on chopping of heads, toes, of burning in hell, of condoning slavery, and "one fifth of booty is for Allah and his prophet", "forbidden to you are ....married women unless they are 'what the right hand possesses......" "enjoying spoils of war".

The Bali bombers made it clear they acted on the koran. They screamed out verses from it, and found plenty of justification to yell "kill the jews, kill the americans and other immoral westerners." This Koran is supposed to be a "clear book" in Allah's perfect language. Yet how can it be so widely misunderstood as its apologists claim?

My understanding of the Koran is the same as that of the Taliban, Bali bombers, OBL and all the terrorists. The only difference is that I don't believe any of it.

I take it you are familiar with the Koran, and should not really need to ask me to quote specifics verses. Do you really need them?
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Ash Shuura



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeezevee wrote:
So I wonder whose version of Islam DO YOU FOLLOW and Do you believe in?? Does Mohammad's Islam in combination with his book Q'uran,( Not very certain about the autor of Q'uran) Hadiath, Sunnah etc..doesn't they Unify the principles in Islam?

with best regards
yeezevee


Hello yeezevee,

I strive to follow the teachings of what is known as the great reading, or in arabic alquran. Its the following of this lifestyle, system outlined in this book I follow, the book of the god. The originator if you will.

"Mohammad" is really mohammad in the quran, no capital letters. It refers to an appreciative character. This character is irrelevant except for all the examples in the reading. The god states that this is the best saying, story, narration in arabic hadith. Then he asks "What other saying, story, narration you will believe after this?". Hence, if someone uphelds this system and believes in other teachings it creates a contradiction.

The great reading accepts one teaching, the teachings of the god.

The other books are human testimonies, human testimony is conjecture at best. They are mostly fabricated stories for example trying to make damascus look good, some may have little truths in it, but for all intents and purposes it will not stand as admissable evidence. It is impossible to codify a value system from such contradictions. It is far easier to learn the reading from scratch and build a value system from scratch.

Why all this questioning? We suppose to verify, and we are not suppose to blindly follow what we don't know. 17:36

regards,
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