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doubtless
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| He reply to this was "People who really want the truth, wouldn't care." I will ask him the questions that you have on your site and inshallah, will come back after sunday, and with the answers. I'm sorry Dr.Hamid didn't debate with you, |
You are Pakistani origin my young friend. Why don't you take the time to find out what happens to pakistanis who dare to question Islam in the name of trying to find the truth in Pakistan? You may wish to read about a Dr. Yunnus Sheik and find out why he ended up spending three years in prison under death penalty and only 9/11 and international pressure saved him from hanging.
His crime: Positing the truth that Muhammad's parents could not possibly have been shaving their body hair according to muslim traditions because Muhammad had as yet not received the message from Gibreel!
Why am I not surprised at Dr. Hamids answer? Hopefully, one of these days neither will you be.
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razaw17
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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salaam,
I still have faith in Dr.Hamid. He as an intellectual wouldn't follow Islam blindly. I'll try to have him answer Mr.Sina's questions. In the case of Dr. Yunus Sheik, he must have not been too smart to insult the prophet of Islam in an Islamic Republic, especially when most of Pakistan's population are under-educated. They are simple people and follow Islam, so if you insult their religion their going to persecute you. Look, my hometown in Pakistan is Bahwalpur. It can be found on a map and is near Multan. When the fundamentalists came and killed the christians, don't think for a second, the whole town wasn't disgusted. In Bahwalpur the christians are respected and the person who got killed was a teacher who taught many muslim kids as well. In Islam teacher's(oustad) are seen in very high-esteem. I have faith in my religion, because it brought many great things into this world, and all the bad was brought by corrupt souls. Like i said before, your logic, is nothing but double standards. If a christian commits an evil act it is because he is a bad person . But if it's a muslim, it should be blamed on Islam...
Good day gentlemen
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Dear Raza,
For some reason my browser freezes when I try to get to the Articles page. But click on the articles in the main site and then on Muhammad's Wives and read those articles and ask Dr. Hamid about them. Could possibly the Prophet commit those things? If he denies, you can show him the hadith and the verses of the Quran that I have quoted. If he does not deny them then ask for explanation. How could anyone claiming to be a messenger of God commit those atrocities?
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piggy
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| give me another religion and I can corrupt it too. |
OK Razaw, you got it!
Try Islam for starters...............................then we can move on to the rest of the other religions............are you afraid to to be objective with the "religion" of Islam?
Go ahead show your corruption skills, starting with Islam. 
Btw, "corrupting" other religions does not prove Islam to be uncorrupted nor even to be a true religion for that matter.
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piggy
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| Also suicide is against our religion, those who are blowing themselves up are going to hell. |
Where do you reckon their innocent victims will go, Razaw?
The ones who didn't/don't believe Mohammed's lies?
Do you think it fair and just for the (unbelieving) innocent victims to have the same end as the murderers, and go to hell too? |
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razaw17
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| I wouldn't know where they would go, because I am not god. I can tell you the suicide bombers wil go to hell, because they defied allah. Allah gave them the gift of life, and them being fools die with innocent people's bloods on their hands. Of course the victims aren't always innocent. |
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yeezevee
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| razaw17: ...Of course the victims aren't always innocent. |
razaw17 dear razaw17, How can you say that? the moment you use the word "victims".., then they are innocents., otherwise THEY ARE NOT "VICTIMS".. use some other word, or give us few examples of where "victims aren't always innocent"
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scaredguy
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razaw
Islam has ruined Pakistan and now you people want to ruin the whole world. I think it would be better to let you do it. Then there will be no debates and no waste of time for your teachers.
Many places have already been ruined by islam. And muslims want to ruin more while simultaneously believing that they are doing someting good. This is because (most) muslims have low standards of culture and education. And they are not allowed to have higher standards. |
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desi
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| Of course the victims aren't always innocent. |
I can say the same for those sic bigotic traitor kashmiris.
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doubtless
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salaam,
I still have faith in Dr.Hamid. He as an intellectual wouldn't follow Islam blindly. I'll try to have him answer Mr.Sina's questions. In the case of Dr. Yunus Sheik, he must have not been too smart to insult the prophet of Islam in an Islamic Republic, especially when most of Pakistan's population are under-educated. They are simple people and follow Islam, so if you insult their religion their going to persecute you. Look, my hometown in Pakistan is Bahwalpur. It can be found on a map and is near Multan. When the fundamentalists came and killed the christians, don't think for a second, the whole town wasn't disgusted. In Bahwalpur the christians are respected and the person who got killed was a teacher who taught many muslim kids as well. In Islam teacher's(oustad) are seen in very high-esteem. I have faith in my religion, because it brought many great things into this world, and all the bad was brought by corrupt souls. Like i said before, your logic, is nothing but double standards. If a christian commits an evil act it is because he is a bad person . But if it's a muslim, it should be blamed on Islam...
Good day gentlemen
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Dear Razaw17: How did Dr. Yunus insult the prophet? I must have missed something. Can you please elaborate. Who objected to the killing of the christians in Bahwalput? Teacher's are held in high esteem in many cultures. So? That has not prevented the pakistanis from butchering the christians, kidnapping their girls , etc.etc. Corrupt souls? Try to get the answers for the questions being suggested by Ali and think a little and you will see the source of corruption in Islam.
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Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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piggy
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| I wouldn't know where they would go, because I am not god. I can tell you the suicide bombers wil go to hell, because they defied allah. Allah gave them the gift of life, and them being fools die with innocent people's bloods on their hands. Of course the victims aren't always innocent. |
Razaw,
If you are not "god', then how do you ultimately know that the slimey suicide murderers will go to hell?.........only "god" would know this.
You see this is the same problem that the idiot, slimey suicide murderers have.
They also think they know what "god" wants and will do, so they go out and murder people, all because some idiot, 7th century camel-herder had it written that "god" said to do so, and "god" ain't gonna say another word, ever.........so Mohammed dies and "god's" word dies too?......................................I don't think so.
"God' will do whatever he wills, he is not bound by what is written in a 7th century book by a bunch of camel-herders who picked up snippets off the cave-floor and asked a bunch of marauding thugs what they remembered best.
If "god'"decides that the Quran is past its use-by-date he will do whatever he deems necessary to bring a new guidance, just like he allegedly did when quran was introduced.........or would you restrict "god" from having unlimited potential?
If one looks at the situation in 7th century arabia, that caused "god" to produce Quran, i.e. they got it wrong, they corrupted the book, they worship idols, etc. - one can see the time is, and has been ripe, for more of the same, based on the criterion that was set at the time, it's time for a change, Quran has been a problem between people for too long, its past its use-by-date, if it WAS of some good use to some people, then that's good, but it is now only an old book about olden-days.
Anyway..........................can you answer this, please?..................................
are you afraid to to be objective with the "religion" of Islam?
You say you can "corrupt" religions.......well?????
Corrupt Islam then!........even if you don't believe it.......just do your best anyway. |
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stranger7800
Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
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| If a christian commits an evil act it is because he is a bad person . But if it's a muslim, it should be blamed on Islam... |
This is hypothetically and despondently true, razaw17. A Christian (a genuine one, that is...one who accepted Jesus Christ as Lord & Messiah) is NEVER instructed to commit such evil acts. Christians do evil deeds DESPITE OF what Jesus taught them; on the contrary, Muslims commit evil deeds BECAUSE OF what Muhammad taught them.
Salaam to you, my fellow human being. |
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The Persian Cataphract
Joined: 08 Apr 2005
Posts: 213
Location: In Ecbatânâ, fully armoured, mounted on a Parthian, fully barded steed
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| I know many iranians that cry for their grand Persia, but what is really that great? |
Did Iran manage to resurrect as a superpower, post-Islamic conquest? No. The Safavid Shi'ites, even under strong ruler Abbas, was highly unstable, and much thanks to the Safavids, Iran was ravaged by invasions, leaving Isfahân (Nesfe-Jahan, a nickname meaning "Half The World") to become nothing more than a mere ghost town, later infamous for hosting wild animals. The Afsharid dynasty? Don't even get me started there. Nader Shâh was a military genius, restoring a great deal of the Iranian borders lost by the end of Safavid reign, but most certainly a murderous madman, not of the same calibre as Khosrô (Chosroës I 'The Just') "Anôushiravân", Ardashîr-e-Pâpakân (Ardashir I) , Mêhrdâd II (Mithradates II), Darius III Codomannus, Darius I, Artaxerxes II, or Cyrus The Great.
Aristotle himself had warned Macedonian leader Alexander for underestimating the Persians. He had himself stated that "If you master them, you will have overthrown the highest column of excellence". In the end, the Parthians ousted the Seleucids (The Successors of Alexander, or precisely Seleucis/Seleukos) and revived an Iranian superstate, recognized and feared by Rome herself.
Iran never became a superstate after being subdued by the Islamic forces. Despite of Ctesiphon being sieged a score of times and being conquered by the Romans, Palmyrans and the Byzantine, no less than five times, the world city of Ctesiphon, never recovered from the sacking of the muslim Arabs. It was a city, with a splendour, vivacity and the size, only of legendary proportions. All that there is left today is the "Taq-el-Kasrah", or "Eivân-e-Khosrô" of this once ancient metropolis.
We Iranians had the greatest of all empires at those days. Until we became the slaves and the whores of the muslim Arabs after the battle of Nahâvand. No matter if we were Mandaean, Mithraists, Zoroastrians, Manichaean, Jewish, Nestorians, polytheists or even Mazdakites, we all became the slaves of Mohammed's creed, and the whores of the camelriders from Hijaz. The splendour, prestige, might and the unsurpassed wealth of Sassanid Iran crumbled in no less than 15 years by opportunists who played foul tactics to subdue us.
Much like how Alexander The Great subdued us, when he burned down Persepolis, the Persian totem of splendour and prestige, the muslim Arabs ate our hearts whilst during their looting and their sacking of Ctesiphon. A place, without doubt, surpassing the past splendour of Persepolis. As Dr. Shahbâzi said, in the 70's, while he still worked as the custodian of the modern institution of Persepolis: "Everyday I see Persepolis, I am reminded over how Alexander destroyed an empire. He took many things from us, and gave us practically nothing.".
In the same sense, I see the Muslim invasion. The Muslim Arabs destroyed and ravaged an empire, and whenever I see the miniscule remains of what used to be Ctesiphon, I will forever be reminded over how the Muslim Arabs ultimately destroyed a civilization, and effectively killed it's rich history. Whenever I see the ruins of Ctesiphon, I cannot help but shed tears of sadness over the suffering, the terror and the danger our ancestors were exposed to. How the Muslims killed, ravaged terrorized and humiliated us.
We were the greatest. We were the highest pillar of excellence. Scholars speak of how Alexander conquered Achamaemenid Persia, but few of these scholars, noteworthy Dr. Clive Irving, realized that the Persianized behaviour of Alexander meant that Persia rather conquered Alexander. The column of splendour had, despite of hellenist supremism, sustained.
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| Mullahs come from Zoroastrians |
You know what's funny? After about 1500 years of Muslim humiliation, the wide diasporas and the hardships that the Zoroastrians experienced. All the persecutions, humiliations, insults and the fear of assimilating with other peoples... Being on the verge of extinction, living in remote enclaves in extreme poverty... Being forced to live only to be insulted by muslims, who deem them as "pagan fireworshippers" through islamic stereotypes.
You know what? The thought about insulting the Zoroastrians is engrossening enough, but to hear someone like you claim that "Mullahs come from Zoroastrians" pisses me off beyond sane levels. Muslims were close into succeeding with their devious plan of wiping out Zoroastrianism throughout these 1500 years, yet you think you have the audacity to insult the Zoroastrians? If 'audacity' was a locomotive, you would be the last stop, boy.
This little boy, Iranian or not, is not my brother, unless he begins to realize how much of a degenerate force Islam was (And still is) for the 1500 years that it influenced our beloved country. Here is the bull sh!t article that he mentioned:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/role_of_zoroastrianism_in_the_developement_of_shiism.htm
Enjoy the read, for I enjoyed reading a poorly composed essay which finds little academical support anywhere. Shi'ism does not share any resemblance with Zoroastrianism. It's a ridiculous and a highly unscholarly assertion.
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Rajah
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| I am not spreading hate. Please read carefully. I am fostering unity and love and fighting Islam because it foments hate. |
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