18:86 setting of sun in muddy spring...

[amarkhan352]

in koran 18:86 says
Pickthall Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

Yusuf Ali Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

Hilali-Khan Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

Shakir Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

Sher Ali Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water, and near it he found a people. WE said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, you may punish them, or treat them with kindness.'

Khalifa When he reached the far west, he found the sun setting in a vast ocean, and found people there. We said, "O Zul-Qarnain, you can rule as you wish; either punish, or be kind to them."

Arberry until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and he found nearby a people. We said, 'O Dhool Karnain, either thou shalt chastise them, or thou shalt take towards them a way of kindness.'

Palmer until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a black muddy spring, and he found thereat a people.' We said, 'O Dhu 'l Qarnain! thou mayest either torment these people, or treat them well.'

Rodwell Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people. We said, "O Dhoulkarnain! either chastise or treat them generously."

Sale until he came to the place where the sun setteth; [and] he found it to set in a spring of black mud; and he found near the same a certain people. And we said, o Dhu'lkarnein, either punish [this people], or use gentleness towards them.
above translations clearly says that koran says that zulkernain saw sun setting in the muddy spring. but it does not mean that qoaran is claiming that sun sets in the muddy spring .clearly it simply means that zulkernian saw that or it seems to zulkernain that sun it setting in murky water or muddy spring.
please explain it that how it is a contradiction or pseudo science in koran. there are a lot other contradictions but this one seems to me that not a error.
what do you think.
futher more
in the tafsir of al abas and tabri they gave their own veiws about that ayat. but i think that zakir naik's logic is fine that it is zulkernain's sense that he saw sun setting in muddy spring not the koranic error.
what do you think about that?
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Ahmed chose to reply to the LD wing resident HM:

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Surah 18:86
Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

The two verbs recurrently used in Dhu'l-Qarneyn's story are "reach" and "find", which make it clear that Dhu'l-Qarneyn went on a long excursion and discovered certain facts he had not known before. Thus, it is impossible to claim that what he saw was an optical illusion.

Besides, reaching the setting-place of the sun denotes a specific place where the act of the setting of the sun suposedly takes place. The authors of the Koran actually thought that it was possible to reach the specific place where the sun rose and set. In the same Surah Moses makes a similar claim when he says he wants to reach the place where the two rivers meet:

Surah 18:60
And when Moses said unto his servant: I will not give up until I reach the point where the two rivers meet, though I march on for ages.

More, the narrative of the sleepers, which is related in the same Surah, makes use of the Sun's rising and setting to illustrate the location of the sleepers in the cave:

Surah 18:17
And thou mightest have seen the sun when it rose move away from their cave to the right, and when it set go past them on the left, and they were in the cleft thereof. That was (one) of the portents of Allah. He whom Allah guideth, he indeed is led aright, and he whom He sendeth astray, for him thou wilt not find a guiding friend.

Dhu'l-Qarneyn, however, does not SEE the Sun rise or set, but finds the exact place where the Sun supposedly rises and sets and talks to the people who are in the middle of the world between the two-mountains.
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[amarkhan352]

thanx Nosubmission
i understood that matter clearly..........
actually i was neglecting "setting place of sun " ....
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Looks like we have a prade of ignorant on this thread, let me cheer them with Slam Dunk # 18 which was classified as a mother of slams:

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