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bamianipotres
Joined: 17 Dec 2008 Posts: 10
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: How can we solve the Jihad problem forever |
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1. Scrap 295A from our constitution.
IPC 295A - "Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs."
Due to this IPC code our media cant publish any article which hurts the religious sentiments of Indians.(Note the A after 295, its 295A)
We need to give complete freedom of speech for media and should a reporter wants to publish some news or article against any religion, he should be allowed to do it, without any scare for law suit or libel, even if it offends religious feelings.
This code will sop the responsibility on religious people to decide they get offended or not.
In a democracy the only right you have is the right to get offended. Thats how democracy works.
Now in India anyone can create a religion and say anything in that sacred text and Indian law will protect that person. That needs to be changed.
2. Promote the copy of quran free by govt in respective mother tongue of Indians.
If you read quran once as a non-muslim, you will know what is in stock towards a non-muslim in quran.
This will enable non-muslims to realize the hate and bigotry in quran especially towards polytheists, which are hindus.
In quran, there is only 2 choice Hindus have, they are
1. Convert to Islam
2. Or die
But christians and jews has one more option, which is to pay Jizya, thats a tax they should pay to the muslim ruler in order to follow their religion and get protected.
Isnt this similar to the protection given to shop owners by Mumbai underworld? Not only that, Jizya is a degrading tax and no place in our civilized society.
3. Right to carry arms for defense at home
Amend our constitution to carry fire arms for self-defense at home for people, to avoid Kashmir style atrocities and routing.
From 1989, 400,000 kashmiri pandits are living in other parts of India as refugees, this could have been avoided if the people had arms to defend themselves.
This kind of atrocities will happen again, if people cannot protect themselves. Not only that, jihadis are well armed and they easily get the AK 47 they need, people at the receiving end are the taz paying law abiding people like you and me.
Another advantage is, politicians will feel some more responsibility, if people are armed, they will realize if they fail to protect the people, people will take out politicians first.
I know that there is chance that India become a anarchy with gun wielding people roaming around like in Afgan, but thats only a scare, because normally people dont want to involve in fights, they want to leave their own peaceful life, they get agitated only if govt fails to protect them.
In US everyone can buy arms and use it for defense at home, its not an anarchy. On the other hand, its the most secure country in terms of business investment in the world, due to the fact that govt of US is most secure in world.
Please dont bring in crime rate to prove this wrong, I know that crime rate is high in US compared to India, but that alone is not the criteria to determine the security of a govt.
4. Burn Jihadis in pig oil wraped in pig skin once they are dead
I know non-muslims will scoff at this idea as trivial and superstitious or naive. But I sure this is a splendid idea.
According to Islamic theology, if a dead body touched by pig skin cannot enter Islamic heaven with 72 virgins and for gay Jihadis pearl eyed boys.
According to Islamic theology, a dead muslim will be tortured in grave if he is a bad muslim. Good muslims are not tortured, they lie in thier grave and Mohammad will recommend these good muslims to heaven on judgment day or dooms day.
Jihadis assume that they are good muslims. By taking out the gestation period for heaven in the grave by burning the dead body, we are denying the religious right of a Jihadi to go to heaven.
We all know that a jihadi is a fanatic religious person and he believes Islam to be the ultimate truth and everything in quran is true. Our sykic in this forum, a moderate muslim believe in judgment day and heaven, so just think about a jihadi, he is dying for it.
Now even if this doesnt work, this is a very easy and very cheap thing to do. Whats there for us to loose?
I think we should make this our policy, even moderate muslims cant oppose this idea, due to the fact that, they always tells us, Jihadis are not muslims.
Moderate muslims always complain that we dont trust them, but lets trust them on this and burn these jihadis in pig oil.
5. Rein in on mullahs.
Prophet Mohammad was a coward man, he never fought any war personaly just for one occasion, at that time too, he was in the backside of the army just cursing.
He always instigated his followers to do all the evil act, just like many cowards in the history.
Similarly, these mullahs are cowards, these mullahs follow Mohammads policy of instigating hate from behind the scenes in almost every mosques in India.
We need to control these mullahs very strictly by some kind of law and monitor their movements.
We need to bring some special laws for instigating hate when that person is a religious person who preaches in religious organizations.
These mullahs dont want to die, but they motivate and inspire young jihadis to die for the cause of Islam. In the process, these mullahs earn points to go to heaven. Thats all Islam is all about, earning points to go to heaven. Fighting jihad with person is the fast way, another way is mullahs way accumulating points by sending jihadis to fight for Islam. |
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Sugar'n'Spice
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Hey, your 5-point plan seems doable and easy. But who will bell the pig?
Whom do we vote in that will follow such plans? That is where the real problem lies. |
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bamianipotres
Joined: 17 Dec 2008 Posts: 10
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Sugar'n'Spice,
Its not about implementing, its about spreading the information since majority of non-muslims lives in a democracy.
In a democracy, knowledge is power and politicians make laws according to the wish of the public.
For example, those mumbai jihadis could have burned in pig oil when the muslim cemetry rejected the dead body if all the public know about this pig oil strategy. it didnt happen, only because public dont know about it. Thats where I'm trying to plug the gap. |
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Agnostic Indian
Joined: 30 Jul 2008 Posts: 208
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Here's my contribution: spread it across |
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The Religion of Peace
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Peaceful Verses from the Noble Quran
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Muslims, Non-Muslims, Atheists, Apostates and Unbelievers |
[Authentic Sources with three most respected translators’ interpretation]
1. On how to peacefully treat idolaters (Christians and Hindus etc.)
Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)]
Verse: 5
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005
2. On how to peacefully deal with unbelievers
Sura: 8 [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)]
Verse: 12
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Source:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html#008.012
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Sura: 3 [AAL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)]
Verse: 28
YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
Source:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028
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Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)]
Verse: 28
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
Source:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.28
3. Peaceful hand-holding of non-muslims
Sura:9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)]
Verse:29
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029
4. Peace all the way with Christians and Jews
Sura: 5 [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)]
Verse:51
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051
5. Here’s more peace with pagans (idolaters) and Jews. Christians are spared!!
Sura: 5 [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)]
Verse: 58
YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
PICKTHAL: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.
SHAKIR: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/005.qmt.html#005.082
6. You can peacefully leave Islam. (Fundamental Right: Freedom of Religion)
Sura: 3 [AAL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)]
Verse: 85
YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html#003.085
7. Peaceful treatment of Women
Sura: 4 [AN-NISA (WOMEN)]
Verse:34
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.034
8. Peaceful acknowledgement of other religions
Sura: 2 [AL-BAQARA (THE COW)]
Verse: 193
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
PICKTHAL: and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.193
9. Greet thy neighbour peacefully
Sura:9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)]
Verse:123
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123
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008.038
YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html#008.039 ]]
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Spread this message of Peace
As far as you can!
As much as you can!
BUT WAIT…..
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Muslims are as good a people as of any other religion. Unfortunately, the moment they start believing that the Quran is the final word of Allah and must be followed literally, that we find a group of religiously bigoted and motivated people emerge and act against entire Humanity.
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The purpose of this document, apart from eliciting the root cause, is to urge the Muslim scholars to please investigate thoroughly before they buy into the concept of Quran as the ‘Final word of Allah’.
[ Because if they unfortunately do end up believing the Quran is the Final word of Allah, then the above verses of Quran will never be tolerated in a secular, multiethnic and multi religious world that we live in. Human Beings will/shall find ways to combat and eradicate the zombies of such a religion that preaches hate against every other religion and Humanity as a whole] |
Below is some food for thought suggesting that the Quran MAY NOT be the final word of Allah
[All the articles/claims below have been accessed from the web but corroborated against valid Islamic resources]
1. Masjidul Aqsa
Muslims are absolutely certain that Allah revealed Quran through his angle Gabriel to Muhammad and nothing of that is changed.
Let us put this claim to the test. There is a hadith that reports Muhammad one night, rode on a winged horse that drove him from Masjidu’lHaram to Msjidu’l Aqsa (in Jerusalem) and from there to the seventh heaven where he was shown the hell and the paradise and then taken to the presence of Allah. This story that is commonly accepted by All the Muslims and is known as Mi’raj is also confirmed in Quran
Glory to (Allah)
Who did take His Servant for a journey by night,
From the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque.
-- Quran 17:1
Here we are not going to question the absurdity of such trip. Considering that it would take the light (fastest thing in the universe) 8 years to make a round trip to the closest solar system, and 30 billion years to the outskirts of the known universe, and considering that wings don’t serve beyond the atmosphere of the Earth, such trip performed on the back of a horse with wings in one night is just stuff of the fables. If Muhammad could travel from Medina to the presence of Allah, riding on a winged pony, and come back in one night, then Allah’s palace must be not much far from Medina. I wonder how come no one has found it yet? We are not also going to ask whether the gate of the heaven is in Jerusalem? Why Muhammad had to go to Masjidul’ Aqsa in order to go to heaven?
The biggest problem with this story is that the Masjid’ul Aqsa “Farthest Mosque” was built after the death of Muhammad.
When Omar conquered Jerusalem he performed a prayer in the site where Temple of Solomon used to stand. The Romans in 70 A.D destroyed that temple. Since then no temple, church or mosque stood on that spot. It was Calif ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan who built the Dome of the Rock around 691 A.D. i.e 72 years after Hijrah. And Masjidu’l Aqsa was built on the Temple Mount by the end of the 7th century. This is reported in The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, 1989, p. 46 and 102.
Muhammad’s alleged Mi’raj took place around the year 622. At that time Jerusalem was in the hands of the Christians. There were no Muslims living there and certainly there was no Mosque in Jerusalem. 53 years after the death of Muhammad, Muslims built the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa on the site where Solomon had his temple
This makes one wonder that perhaps, just like the Bible, also Quran was written, manipulated and “enriched” years after its author passed away, permitting the fables that were constructed around Muhammad after his death to crepe into his book. Whoever has been the author of the verse 17:1, was not aware that Masjid ul Aqsa did not exist during the time of Muhammad and he could not have made his trip to heaven from a place that did not exist.
This, is an obvious blunder of those who compiled Quran so much so that many Islamic scholars, including Yusuf Ali are of the opinion that by Masjid’u’ Aqsa, it is intended the SITE of the building and not the actual building.
This apologetic line could have been a way out of the dilemma if it was not for the following Hadith, which unequivocally asserts that Masjid’ul Aqsa was an actual building which existed in the time of Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 636:
Narrated Abu Dhaar:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them?" He replied, "Forty (years)." He then added, "Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you."
Muslims could bring the excuse that “Masjid’ means any place of worship (sojda), that is why the prophet refers to the temple of Solomon as Masjid. In that case, all churches, synagogues and the Zoroastrian Ateshkadehs are Masjids. During the time of Muhammad there were many such “Masjids” built in cities much farther than Jerusalem. (i.e farthest from Mecca or Medina) and the Masjid’ul Aqsa actually was not the farthest mosque.
This hadith presents yet another problem. Masjid’ul Haram (Ka’ba) was allegedly built by Abraham. He lived about 2000 BC and the Temple of Solomon (the site of the Msjid ul’Aqsa) was built about 958-951 BC. There is a gap of about over 1040 years between the dates of the construction of the two buildings. His holiness Muhammad’s mistake was a mere one thousand years.
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2. Dhul-qarnayn: This is historical past happened not far from Arab and again this historical statement is seriously erroneous. This Dhul-Qarnayn history (Quran:18:83-9 is said to be about Alexander the Great who came from the north (Macedonia). Quran amazingly claims that Alexander the Great was a righteous man (Muslim), even though, history tells us that, Alexander was a licentious, belligerent, idolatrous and claimed to be the son of Amun, the God of Egypt. And Quran amazingly stated that, the Alexander was the one who reached the west point of earth where sun set down in a well of muddy water, and also he reached the point of eastern end of the earth where he saw sun was rising.
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3. Quran mentioned (Quran: 19:28, 66:12, 3:35) Mary (Mother of Jesus) as the sister of Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Imran. This is a grave error of the history. Virgin Mary the mother of Jesus had no brother named Aaron and Mary was born almost 1500 hundreds years after the Moses and Aaron was born.
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| MORE THAN THE ABOVE FACTS, CAN YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD WHO... |
…Does not have the power of making everybody take birth in His religion but needs the help of His human armies to convert those born under other religion?
…Disowns 4/5th of Humanity just because they follow a different religion to reach Him/Her?
…Would command His followers to fight aggressively against fellow human beings without being provoked just because they belong to other religion?
…Would have made his final discourse in the 7th Century and is now asleep and never going to say a word again!?
How do we Human Beings, irrespective of the religion we belong to buy into the philosophy that there must be a God up above who creates Human beings just to check who all are worshiping Him?
Then one fine Dooms Day He decides to punish/reward people and be done with it. Is that all a God does?
What’s the Job of God after the Dooms Day judicial engagement is over?
I don’t have an answer to that…your holy book may have one ;-)
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Thank you for reading what I thought you should through the lens of rationality and common sense.
This document was written with intent to reach people through the internet as the secular media of most of our countries would not dare to be secular enough to give voice to this root-cause, the most dreaded offshoot of which we recognize and now painfully face everywhere as
Islamic Terrorism
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Agnostic Indian
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: How can we solve the Jihad problem forever |
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1. Scrap 295A from our constitution.
IPC 295A - "Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs."
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Hey bamianipotres!
Can't 295A be applied to ban Quran.
Any maulvi who preaches the above verses(mentioned in my previous post) of the Quran is essentially carrying out a deliberate and malicious act, intended to outrage religious feelings(of Christians,Jews and Hindus) or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.
A PIL can be filed i guess ?! |
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ab185050
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WELL JIHAD IN KASHMIR HAS TO BE SOLVED THE SAME WAY THAT SIKH FUNDAMENTALISM WAS DEALT WITH ie FORCE..
DURING 1990 WEN KASMIRI MUSLIMS WERE BLARING ANTI INDIA SLOGANS FROM MOSQUES AND HINDUS WERE ASKED TO LEAVE OR GET KILLED AND TERRORISTS DANCED AROUND DEAD BODIES OF HINDUS ,, MUSLIMS SHUD HV BEEN FUKKED THAT TIME ONLY..
AFTER SOME TIME MR. JAGMOHAN WAS APPOINTED AS GOVERNER OF J&K AND HE ORDERED SHOOT AT SITE ORDERS AND ECONOMIC BLOCKADE POLICY ie NO TRADE WITH LOCAL KASHMIRI(MUSLIMS AND DOUBTLESS ANTI INDIANS) . AS A RESULT THEY WERE FORCED TO COOPERATE WITH ARMY AND WERE NOT PROVIDING SHELTER TO TERRORISTS, WHICH THEY EARLIER DID., WHOLE KASHMIR WAS BANKRUPT AND THESE MUSLIM PIGS WERE LITERALLY BEGGING AND ONLY IN SPAN OF 4 MONTHS TERRORIST ACTIVITIES WERE REDUCED BY 82% AND NOT A SINGLE HINDU WAS ATTACKED..
BUT THEN MUHAMMAD REINCARNATED IN FORM OF LATE MR. RAJIV GANDHI AND REPLACED A TRUE NATIONAL JAGMOHAN FOR HIS VOTE BANK POLITICS. AND REST IS HISTORY |
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secularmindedhindu
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 1228
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ab185050 wrote: |
WELL JIHAD IN KASHMIR HAS TO BE SOLVED THE SAME WAY THAT SIKH FUNDAMENTALISM WAS DEALT WITH ie FORCE..
DURING 1990 WEN KASMIRI MUSLIMS WERE BLARING ANTI INDIA SLOGANS FROM MOSQUES AND HINDUS WERE ASKED TO LEAVE OR GET KILLED AND TERRORISTS DANCED AROUND DEAD BODIES OF HINDUS ,, MUSLIMS SHUD HV BEEN FUKKED THAT TIME ONLY..
AFTER SOME TIME MR. JAGMOHAN WAS APPOINTED AS GOVERNER OF J&K AND HE ORDERED SHOOT AT SITE ORDERS AND ECONOMIC BLOCKADE POLICY ie NO TRADE WITH LOCAL KASHMIRI(MUSLIMS AND DOUBTLESS ANTI INDIANS) . AS A RESULT THEY WERE FORCED TO COOPERATE WITH ARMY AND WERE NOT PROVIDING SHELTER TO TERRORISTS, WHICH THEY EARLIER DID., WHOLE KASHMIR WAS BANKRUPT AND THESE MUSLIM PIGS WERE LITERALLY BEGGING AND ONLY IN SPAN OF 4 MONTHS TERRORIST ACTIVITIES WERE REDUCED BY 82% AND NOT A SINGLE HINDU WAS ATTACKED..
BUT THEN MUHAMMAD REINCARNATED IN FORM OF LATE MR. RAJIV GANDHI AND REPLACED A TRUE NATIONAL JAGMOHAN FOR HIS VOTE BANK POLITICS. AND REST IS HISTORY |
Would it be possible for you to post a complete chain of political events in India that happened during 1989-90 which led to eviction of the Hindus from the Kashmir valley ?
I can find it out myself. But I am requesting this information from you as you are from Kashmir. |
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ab185050
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Posts: 9
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: CHAIN OF POLITICAL EVENTS IN KASHMIR DURING 89-90 |
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I WUD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THE INFO AND HOPE NON MUSLIMS IN INDIA REALISE WHAT DEMOGRAPHIC INVASION BY MUSLIMS CAN DO..
HOWEVER I WUD LIKE TO TELL YOU A BIT OF HISTORIC EVENTS THAT HV A CONNECTION WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN 1989-90.
it was aurangzeb who caused the mass islamisation of kashmir which was a clever political move because kashmiri and kashi brahmins were considered as most intelligent and had gr8 hold on hindu politics at that time and auranzeb knew if he could force kashmiri hindus 2 convert most of hindustan shall follow, but hindus preferred consuming poison than accepting islamic crap. as a result catastrophe was there and it is a recorded fact that only 11 hindu families were left in valley.
Ahindu delegation went to sikh guru-GURU TEG BAHADUR AND GURU GOBIND SINGH FR HELP AND THEY OBLIGED WHICH HALTED FURTHER DAMAGE. BY THE TIME INDIA GOT INDEPENDENT ONLY 10% KASHMIRIS WERE HINDUS.
FROM 1947 TO 1988 THERE WAS PEACE BUT ALWAYS THERE WERE INCEDENTS OF SUPPRESSION OF HINDUS IN DAILY LIFE.
IN 1988 PAKISTAN ADOPTED ISLAMIC RULES(SHARIA) AND AS A CONSEQUENCE HATRED FOR HINDUS WAS PREACHED ACROSS THE BORDR AND PAKISTAN TELEVISION AND PAKISTAN RADIO CHANNELS INSTIGATED MUSLIMS FOR JIHAD IN KASHMIR.THIS WAS IN PERIOD WHEN FAROOQ ABDULLAH(WHO IS A TERRORIST HIMSELF) WAS THE CM OF J&K. HE ORDERED THE STATE MACHINERY ie POLICE TO THREATEN HINDUS.MOSQUES SHOUTED HOLY sh!t FROM KORAN AND THREATENED HINDUS TO LEAVE (IMAGINE EVERY 9 HOUSES OUT OF 10 WERE OF MULLAS).DURING FAROOQS GOVT MANY TIMES AT NIGHT DOORDARSHAN AND AIR WAS STOPPED AND PTV AND PAKISTAN RADIO HATRED MESSAGES WERE AIRED IN KASHMIR.
TRAINIG CAMPS STARTED OPERATING IN POK AND KASHMIRI MULA YOUTHS (WHO WERE MOSTLY ILLITERATE AND UNEMPLOYED )WERE INSTIGATED FOR TRAINING AS IT WAS SOURCE OF INCOME AND SERVING ALLAH.IN 1989 MASS MURDER OF HINDUS OCCURED IN MANY DISTRICTS AND GRADUALLY HINDUS STARTED MIGRATING MOSTLY IN ARMY TRUCKS TO JAMMU .
DURING THIS TIME NEW DELHI WAS SLEEPING AS MUST BE RECALLED THAT THERE WERE 3 PRIMEMINISTERS IN 1 YEAR AND WE DIDNOT HV A STABLE GOVT AT CENTRE AND MR VP SINGH,MR DEVILAL,MR CHANDERSHEKHAR WERE BUSY IN HORSE TRADING AND SAVING THEIR GOVTS. WHICH FURTHER AGGRAVATED THE SITUATION FOR HINDUS.
HOWEVER MR JAGMOHAN(BJP) WAS APPOINTEDAS GOVERNER AND EMERGENCY WAS DECLARED IN J&K--MANY KASHMIRI HINDUS STILL REMEMBER HIM AND ARE THANKFUL 2 HIM COS WHOSOEVER ARE ALIVE ARE MAINLY BECAUSE OF HIM.HE ORDERED SHOOT AT SITE AND POLICY OF ECONOMIC ISOLATION OF KASHMIR(WHICH ONLY HAD MULLAS), AS A RESULT MULLAS WERE DYING OF HUNGER AND UNEMPLOYMENTAND BORDERS WERE SEALED TOO. DURING THAT PERIOD HINDUS WERE OPTIMISTIC REGARDING THEIR RETURN.BUT SAS ALWAYS OUR SHAMELESS POLITICIANS REMOVED HIM ON CHARGES OF FASCISM AND AGAIN KASHMIRI POLITICIANS FORMED THE GOVT AFTER ELECTIONS AND FURTHER AGGRAVATED THE PROBLEM.NO SURPRISE ALL KASHMIRI HINDUS WERE HAPPY WHEN RAJIV GANDHI WAS ASSASINATED.MEANWHILE TERRORISM IN PUNJAB WAS ELLIMINATED AND KPS GILL OFFERED AND PROMISED TO END KASHMIR PROBLEM IN 6 MONTHS IF PROVIDED FULL LIBERTIES WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY REJECTED BY OUR POLITICIANS FR THEIR PETTY VOTE BANK CONCERNS.
HINDUS WERE LIVING IN REFUGEE CAMPS(IN THEIR OWN MOTHERLAND) AND SOME OF THEM ARE STILL LIVING LIKE THAT. MEANWHILE A KASHMIRI TERRORIST NAMED KUKKA PARREY HAD SURENDERED AND REALISE ISLAM WAS sh!t AND STARTED ANTI TERRORIST ATTACKS WITH SUPPORT FROM ARMY. HE HAD RECRUITED SOME KASHMIRI HINDU YOUTHS ALSO IN HIS PARTY WHO WERE DYING FOR REVENGE, THIS CONTINUED FOR SOME TIME TILL KASHMIRI LEADERS GOT HIM AND MOST OF HIS ANTI TERRORISTS KILLED BY POLICE(THOUGH THEY CLAIM TERRORISTS KILLED HIM ).AND THIS WAS THE LAST HOPE HINDUS HAD , THEY NOW HAD TO START THEIR LIFE ALL OVER AGAIN , ITS SHOCKING TO BELEIVE THAT IN OUR COUNTRY A PATRIOTIC COMMUNITY WAS ALLOWED (COS GOVT CUD HV STOPPED THAT EASILY)TO BE MASSACRED AND DRIVEN OUT OF THEIR HOMES FOR SHREWD POLITICS.(STILL THEY ALL R DOING THE SAME).AFTER MIGRATION ONLY 1 MAN CAME FOR HELP OF HINDUS OPENLY , MR BALA SAHEB THACKERAY AND STARTED RELEIF WORK AND STARTED RESERVATION QUOTAS FOR HINDU STUDENTS IN VARIOUS ENGINEERING AND MEDICAL COLLEGES ACROSS MAHARASHTRA, DUE TO WHICHMOST OF KASHMIRI HINDUS ARE WELL SETTLED NOW AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE HAVING A SENSE OF SALVATION AND WOUNDS HV BEEN HEALED A BIT, BUT OUR CHARACTERLESS GOVT IS STILL APEASING THOSE ANTIINDIANS AND 100S OF CRORES EVERY YEAR ARE SENT INTO HANDS OF JIHADIS IN FORM OF ECONOMIC PACKAGES,THESE ILLITERATE,UNINTELLIGENT,TRAITORS BASTARD KASHMIRI MULLAS ARE LIVING OFF OUR MONEY AND ARE SUCKING OUR BLOOD LIKE PARASITES, I M JUST HOPING THAT A DAY WUD COME WHEN THESE PIGS ARE MADE TO REALISE THEIR MISTAKE AND ARE DUMPED INTO sh!t WHERE THEY CAME FROM//. |
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bamianipotres
Joined: 17 Dec 2008 Posts: 10
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: How can we solve the Jihad problem forever |
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| Agnostic Indian wrote: |
Hey bamianipotres!
Can't 295A be applied to ban Quran.
Any maulvi who preaches the above verses(mentioned in my previous post) of the Quran is essentially carrying out a deliberate and malicious act, intended to outrage religious feelings(of Christians,Jews and Hindus) or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.
A PIL can be filed i guess ?! |
Actually there is a petition filed against quran in Calcutta sometime back, its called culcutta petition. But the politicians shut it down, but its not yet thrown from the court. Read about it here.
http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tcqp/ |
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