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Richard_The _Lionheart
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 Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: Mohammed’s Parents |
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I ask this question to Muslims:
Are Mohammed’s parents in Hell?
We know they were Pagans and Mo’ himself was a pagan as a child.
They died before he became (as you say) a ‘Prophet’ so they couldn’t have been worshiping Allah.
Did Mo’s parents go to hell as unbelievers? |
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menjalara
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: Re: Mohammed’s Parents |
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| Richard_The _Lionheart wrote: |
Did Mo’s parents go to hell as unbelievers? |
First of all, address the Prophet directly by his name "Muhammad", and not by perjoratively abbreviating his name to "Mo".
As for your question, yes, they did die as unbelievers.
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syamal
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| Did Mo’s parents go to hell as unbelievers? |
Pagan god maintain paradise as beautiful as switzerland. Mo-ham-mad's
parents are living there happily. Mr allah tried to put them in hell but was beaten by pagan god. Muslim paradise is as filthy as Sudan, Afganisthan, Nigeria. |
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Mohammed’s Parents |
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| menjalara wrote: |
| address the Prophet directly by his name "Muhammad", and not by perjoratively abbreviating his name to "Mo". |
To most non-Muslims, the name "Mo" may sound a little silly,
but it's a lot better than "Muhammad", which is on par with "Mofo".
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Richard_The _Lionheart
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Mohammed’s Parents |
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| menjalara wrote: |
| Richard_The _Lionheart wrote: |
Did Mo’s parents go to hell as unbelievers? |
First of all, address the Prophet directly by his name "Muhammad", and not by perjoratively abbreviating his name to "Mo".
As for your question, yes, they did die as unbelievers. |
I'll call Mo' whatever I like, I think Mo' looks good and it saves time typing the many spellings of his name, Mohammed, Muhammad, Mahomet.
Mo' will do fine.
So are you saying non-believers go to hell if they haven’t heard of Islam.
If so, what happened to all the souls of people in North/South America?
Why didn’t Allah send them a Koran or a Prophet?
Doesn't Allah love them?
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TheOtherWhiteMeat
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Mohammed’s Parents |
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| menjalara wrote: |
| Richard_The _Lionheart wrote: |
Did Mo’s parents go to hell as unbelievers? |
First of all, address the Prophet directly by his name "Muhammad", and not by perjoratively abbreviating his name to "Mo".
As for your question, yes, they did die as unbelievers. |
How about Moohammy? Or just Hammy? That's halal right?
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Alkaliel
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menjalara
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Mohammed’s Parents |
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| Richard_The _Lionheart wrote: |
I'll call Mo' whatever I like, I think Mo' looks good and it saves time typing the many spellings of his name, Mohammed, Muhammad, Mahomet.
Mo' will do fine. |
In that case...
I'll call Ri' whatever I like, I think Ri' looks good and it saves time typing the many spellings of his name, Richard, Ricky or Rich.
Ri will do just fine
Do you mind, Ri? 
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So are you saying non-believers go to hell if they haven’t heard of Islam.
If so, what happened to all the souls of people in North/South America? |
I did not say that. You are guilty of putting words into my mouth, things that I did not say. The issue is certainly much more complicated than that.
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Why didn’t Allah send them a Koran or a Prophet?
Doesn't Allah love them? |
This is the Qur'anic answer:
And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Qur'ân 10:47)
And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e., do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). (Qur'ân 16:36)
God Almighty is far more farsighted than you give Him credit for.
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John59
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And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), truth). (Qur'ân 16:36)
God Almighty is far more farsighted than you give Him credit for.
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So who was the messenger to the Chinese, Egyptians,Indians,ect. ?
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TheOtherWhiteMeat
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| So who was the messenger to the Chinese, Egyptians,Indians,ect. ? |
Minister Joseph Smith, the last and most important prophet of Allah!
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menjalara
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So who was the messenger to the Chinese, Egyptians,Indians,ect. ? |
And that is "important" to be known?
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Hector
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Yup, why did Allah discriminate against the Chinese, Indians, Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Amerindians, Australian Aborigines, Africans etc. by not providing these 'innocent' people with a prophet of their own, or the means to hear the message of the Muslim prophets?
Kind of remiss of him, wasn't it? Or did he just forget about them in favour of only the Arabs and their victims?
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Righteous
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Of course. It refutes the Quranic verse:
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| And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), truth). (Qur'ân 16:36) |
which you brought up. So, you admit that no Messengers were sent to China, Egypt, etc.
I find it strange that a God will forsake his creations for millenia, and then in the last couple of millenia "revealed" Judaism and then only to the select few. Even excluding Arabs who were not the Chosen. Islam was not "revealed" until recently.
Allah goofed up and had to give a "free pass" to heaven as an apology to all those souls that missed out on a Messenger, including the Chinese, the Egyptians for a few thousand years, the Celts, the Amerindians, the Eskimos, the South Pacific Islanders, the Australian aborigines, the Japanese, the Koreans, ...
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menjalara
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| So, you admit that no Messengers were sent to China, Egypt, etc. |
Never said that. Just because that we do not know who these Messengers are is not proof that they never existed. In any case, a good article on the issue can be found here:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/prophet.html
If the article documented by Islamic Awareness is anything to go by, it is an indictation that soon, if more data is collected we can find evidence of the Prophets sent to previous Nations as noted by the Noble Quran.
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Righteous
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| menjalara wrote: |
| Righteous wrote: |
| So, you admit that no Messengers were sent to China, Egypt, etc. |
Never said that. Just because that we do not know who these Messengers are is not proof that they never existed. In any case, a good article on the issue can be found here:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/prophet.html
If the article documented by Islamic Awareness is anything to go by, it is an indictation that soon, if more data is collected we can find evidence of the Prophets sent to previous Nations as noted by the Noble Quran. |
Why do you believe in these poorly written and extremely poorly researched articles without questioning them with a healthy dose of skepticism? That appears to be a common trait amongst desperate theists.
To answer the first assertion that there MAY have been messengers (note: not prophets because Mo' must be the last prophet as he claimed), there is no record of any Messengers of Islam. That's the point - Islam. Don't lay claim to other religion as Islam. This is what the article deceitfully attempts - to lay claim to Kapauku and Dinka. The Kapauku are animistic and the Dinka are polytheistic, and yet the article tries to claim some kind of connection with Islam.
The countries mentioned in prior posts include those highly civilized with a great recorded history. None of these long recorded histories mention a messenger of Islam in their midsts. Surely something as significant as a Messenger of God would be recorded. Again proof that there were none.
The article you pointed out is also full of errors. It seeks to draw similarities between Islam and ancient primitive religions/people. If you look hard enough at any religion, there will be similarities. It is the substance that matters. Just because two religions also mention the sky or earth or have similar creation myths does not make them the same religion. It would be hard to find a religion that does not mention the sky or earth or some creation myth.
Even beyond the superficial, the article makes glaring ommissions. It seeks to give the impression that the Dinka are monotheistic. This is so far from the truth. Their model of God(s) is closer to the Greek, with a supreme God in the company of lesser Gods. Here is something about the Dinka Gods....
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http://www.godulike.co.uk/faiths.php?chapter=29&subject=who
Chief over all the Dinka gods is Nhialic or Nhial, the one great universal spirit, who not only lives in the sky - he is the sky. Being the top man he chooses not to get too involved with the everyday occurrences like life and death, and leaves all the easy stuff like that to Abuk, Deng, Garang and Macardit.
Deng is the one that commands most respect, he is the recognised ancestor of all the Dinka people and the direct - and only - link to the boss, Nhialic.
Deng possesses not only people through the effects of trance, but even more usefully, a great big club with which he bashes the clouds together and brings out the rain.
Macardit is the bad guy and there is absolutely nothing good about what they call 'The Big Black One'.
Abuk and Garang make a good double act. She (Abuk) looks after the growing of things - trees and plants - with the added responsibility of maintaining the water supply and Garang has to look after everything else not covered by the good the bad and the pretty one. |
The author betrays his deceit by failing to mention Abuk, Deng, Garang and Macardit and tried to give the impression that only Nhialic existed.
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