God is the psychological illusion of human beings...!!??

[Haik Monsieur]

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“Don’t worry… it is all in your brain”

[I choose to start with this because this is going to be important for what I am going to say.]

Many would have heard this at least once in their life from another. It is not impossible to say it to oneself but our thought processes are often beyond our control. (Emphasis on “often”) Here the problem is, though we may say it ourselves or hear it from someone else; it helps little or (more often for many) not at all;

I am thinking of expanding it. I expect more disagreements than agreements and that is what I am looking for. A fruitful discussion; but remember when I refer to God in lines below, I mean a “personal God.”

“God” is the burden of human beings and human beings alone”

The only species over this planet bothers of god is “homo sapiens.” This thought is not genuine at all because at least there was one Nietzsche who retorted to Descartes “God is the psychological illusion of human beings” It might have went unnoticed, but can we disregard it anymore?

God has always been a concept without having existence in reality. I am not being arrogant to state so, but if we can not verify god in reality now, there is no good reason to believe god was verifiable in the past. Anyone who argues otherwise bears the burden of proof. I have yet to come across a theologist claim God is something once existed and ceased to exist. If God existed and manifested once, there is no good reason to believe he will continue existing but will deny his manifestation to us.

After all, God is merely a concept and no concept can exist in the absence of conceivers. If it is not for human beings god can not exist at all; again to narrow down, if it is not for a particular organ of a specific species god can not exist at all.

This can be defined as the fundamental flaw of God, but what is reasonable here? Would it be reasonable to believe God is defective than God does not exist?

Bottom-line: Don’t know whether Prozac scientist claimed he can dissipate god with Prozac; but the claim shall not be a joke if there was such.

Regards

KhaliL
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[The Cat]

I don't think of G-d as an entity that the mind can apprehend. It will err throughout any process of analyzing because G-d cannot possibly be divided while the mind is a divisive principle and factory. This is what I understand in The Garden of Eden allegory.

That's why faith is the exact contrary of beliefs, although they are usually held to be synonymous. The former brings inner peace and harmony while the later carries dissensions of all sorts. Faith has not the certainty and vanity of beliefs, which are truly idolatry, but carries the humility of the unknown. Faith delivers some pain but then again it'll strengthen you all along. That's the allegory behind Jesus' crucifixion and redemption, as I understand it.

The mind will raise or thorn apart -notions- of G-d. But the entity we call by this appellation stands undivided, unrestricted.

Now and then a great spiritual teacher comes to us, like a timeless lighthouse. The mind will end up in beliefs and wreck itself once again.
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Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.

[charleslemartel]

In my opinion, before the discussion proceeds we should first define God. I think that when human beings talk of God, they normally mean

1. The creator of the universe.
2. The sustainer of the universe.
3. The judge of our deeds and dispenser of justice (rewards and punishments)
4. A being who has a certain personality.

There are other concepts too but they tend to be more abstract and believed in by a tiny minority of people. It would be interesting to know what people posting in this thread think about the four attributes listed above.

I am sure there is going to be a lot of disagreement on the definition itself
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Happy New Year to Everyone

Fear is the most powerful emotional tool, it can turn off the areas of the brain responsible for rational thought.
Is that why Muslims can't be rational?

[ygalg]

[The Cat]

[Haik Monsieur]

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The Cat argues original existences of things are not tied to our approval. I will concede it but the fact is god does not have such an existence at all.

Think of it a moment. Is god a tangible entity? Did god leave any remnants or does he leave any of verifiable means for us to reach to his real existence? NO. God has not left any remnants, he fails to leave any of such that would lead us to the reality of his existence. It means god is not a real existence at all. Anything that does not have existence in reality requires our approval and only in approval it exists. Once we stop approving, the mere concept ceases to exist. I repeat again, no concept can exist without conceivers.

Personal god is the weakest of all gods because he fails to prove his existence in reality. If he fails to exist in reality, that means he fails to be real. If we do not succeed to reach to god through empirical means; that amounts to NIL at the end we try to hit on.

God is inexistent until proven otherwise;

Regards
KhaliL
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[sword_of_truth]

I am a soft atheist. I do believe that there is no God, but I don't claim to know. There may be other concievers who do know that there is a God, if there is one. God, himself. I just don't find the idea very plausible and I don't think there is any real evidence for it. Since there is no justification for a God's existence, I just think the idea is a bit of a shot in the dark, hence the odds are against its being true. However, in the end, that is just speculation. It is only a belief that there is no God, even a personal one.

Religious versions of God are another matter. I am quite certain that all religion is a hoax dreamed up by superstitious people. There are thousands of hoaxes, thousands of false religions (many are mutually exclusive), and religions come from superstitious times. History is too unreliable a guide to rely on to believe in such grandiose supernatural claims. But even then, I cannot claim 100% certainty. Even with Islam, I am very very confident that it is false, but I can't rule it out 100%.

If there is a creator, he would be too smart to play the silly games with us that religion claims he does. It is certainly unreasonable to expect the creator of the universe to have the maturity level of a highschool bully. The religious God has the most petty human attributes.

Grow up, God. Are you so pitiful, you will throw a temper tantrum just because I use the brain you gave me to conclude that there is no evidence for your existence? A brain that is very successful at learning so many things and figuring so much out and usually being right about it on Earth? I am supposed to ignore what it tells me and belief despite very poor evidence is considered a virtue? What kind of a God is that?

If this God wanted respect from the more intelligent and kind people, he would have provided better evidence and not tarnished his image with the horrific things written in so-called holy books.

There are two seperate questions. Do we want something to be true, and is it actually true? I wouldn't mind a nice God being there. I'd put my vote in for a nice, kind, respectful creator. But I don't think there's any evidence for that. Such a God has my approval, but not the approval of the evidence. In its almost complete silence, the evidence suggests that such a God is merely an arbitrary idea--a shot in the dark, with only a virtually infinitesimal chance of being a reality--at least as far as our best guesses can tell.

[The Cat]

[Suman]

From the beginning of the Earth no one didn't able to say that who is God. But still we are all trying to find him. My believe is......only GOD knows who is he !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have few questions to Haik Monsieur & others who don't believe in GOD, THE SUPRIME REALITY !!!


Q 1. Could you please tell me about the origin of the World/Earth ? Where we are from ( All creations ) ? Where we will go after death ? How many uncountable creation are creating ( Human/animal... etc. ) every day ? who is creating those ?

Q 2. When I am writing this mail to you, uncountable lifes (Human...Animal...etc) are leaving this world ( Coming too !!) with reason & without reason but we are still alive (You & Me.........) . Why we are not leaving ????? Or why we are not able to stop them to leave this earth ? Is not it suprime power, who is doing this ? We are very helpless here ?

Q 3. Perhaps you uses wrist watch in your hand.... if you see, the indicator of second, minutes, hour are moving
right to left.....Why ? because the mechanic of the watch fixed few parts which insists those indicators to move from right to left. In the Galaxy , sun, moon, our earth, stars etc.....are moving to their own ways....why they are not collision between each other ?.......who is insisting them to moving to their own ways ? is not it Suprime power ? The great mechanic !!

Q 4. Do you have knowledge ( Please don't mind) about everything in the world ? Do your know ,who created The Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean ? If you don't know , that means there are lots of things in the world which are behind of your knowledge !!! So, how we will be able to know the Suprime Power to use our little knowledge whereas we are surrounded by MAYA ( illusion ) of Suprime Power which obstructing us to know the Him ! If any one in the world will be able to cross the MAYA (illusion) definitely he will know the Suprime reality, will be able to connect himself with Almighty & will get suprime feedom of human life--

Waithing for reply from any one.

Regards,
Suman
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Great creation of Almignty we can do lots of things but can't find out him, because we are created by HIM................That's why from the creation of the univers to till today, we are dusscussing about him but the result is .......0

[S.A.M]

Beloved ones of God, you may belong to any race, cast, creed, or nation, still you are all impartially beloved by God. You may be a believer or an unbeliever in the supreme Being, but He cares not. His mercy and grace flow through all His powers, without distinction of friend or foe.

Every leaf of tree, Allah's praise displays,
Only the pious mind can hear their sacred lays.

The sun, moon, and stars give light; the timely change of seasons promotes health and cheerfulness; the rain grows corn, fruits, and flowers; and the alternation of day and night provides the opportunity for work and rest.

Earth, water, fire and air,
All work harmoniously.
For thee they always food prepare,
Thou shouldst not eat unthankfully.
For how each day the sun shines and serves,
All praise from thee Allah deserves.

If you study your own body, you will find its mechanism to be the original model of the artificial mechanism of the world. Art and science fail if compared with that of His nature. The ear, eyes, and all other organs, how perfectly they are adapted in shape and mechanism to the purpose which they must serve! How liberally the needs of life, water, air, and food, are supplied; even milk is prepared in the mother's breast for the unborn infant. Should we not appreciate the liberality of the Creator, and thank him each moment with all humility and gratitude?

Praise be to Allah, the worship of whom is the means of drawing closer to Him, and the giving of thanks to whom involves an increase of benefits. Every breath which is inhaled prolongs life, and when exhaled it quickens the frame. In every breath, therefore, two blessings are contained, and for every blessing a separate thanksgiving is due.

He has fashioned and molded you after His own image, and made you Ashraf al-Makhluqat, the highest of all beings and the pride of the universe, having given you command over all other beings of both worlds. As is said in the Quran, 'Do you not see that Allah has subjected all things on earth to you?' And at the same time He has given you, by His grace, the attributes of humanity: kindness, gratitude, faithfulness, justice, modesty, piety, sympathy, reverence, bravery, patience, love, knowledge, and wisdom. This is an open proof of your being the real object of creation and the most beloved of God.

Quran says, "Know thyself and know God ", and another Sura, "Know God in nature."

[careperson]

God is greed!
It is ego deified.
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[Agnostic Indian]

Scenario

Q:Can the micro-organisms within my body conclusively say that I do not exist?
A:Yes they can.
Q: Amongst these micro-organisms , am I thinking at all of punishing those that are not accepting my existence nor are praying to me 5 times a day?
A:No I am Not

Deduction

Do I exist: Yes
Do they exist: Yes
Do i believe they exist:Yes! because i can examine their system from outside
Do they believe I exist:No! because they don't have the tools 'within' to analyze a system 'without'

To analyze a system from within the system is not only erroneous but sometimes lures us to believe that
what does not exist 'within' cannot exist 'without'

[manta ray]

I wonder if a child's imaginary friend could turn into something dominating and overbearing like God.

It is said in the Bible that Abraham was a friend of God. He walked with God all his life.
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I'd better have questions that I can't answer rather than answers that I can't question.

[syamal]