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AhmedBahgat
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| Ex-muslimah wrote: |
4 of the texts you have given us is OT, only Luke is NT, only the NT is christian texts, the OT is jewish texts  |
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Jesus ordered his followers to also follow and apply the Torah, therefore what you see now days are not Chritsians, rather a bunch of confused souls bound to hell
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Then how come they don't do the Torah in churches, the christian texts IS the applied Torah, the torah is the OT, the christian texts is the NT, it even says this fact on wikipedia!
I'd say the confused one is yourself Ahmed, the OT is not applied in christianity (If it is it is seldom mentioned). When I was at school, we used to have a minister come and speak to us and only once he mentioned about the old testiment. The truth is the Christians follow the NEW testiment, the Jewish follow the OT or Torah.
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Let the Bible expose expose such ignorant idol worshipper of a christian N S:
1. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot's daughters said: "there's not a man in the earth (erets) to come in unto us" (Gen 19:31),
2. Exodus 9:33 "the rain was not poured upon the earth", the earth in here means a certain area in Egypt.
3. Jeremiah 34:1, "all the kingdoms of the earth of his dominion, and all the peoples, fought against Jerusalem." in this passage the phrase "of the earth" is limited to "his dominion," i.e., the dominion of Nebuchadnezzar.
4. Chronicles 36:23, Cyrus' empire is said to have encompassed "all the kingdoms of the earth." surely there were other kingdoms in the far east.
5. Luke 2:1 refers to a decree which went out to tax "the whole world." But this was only refers to Romans who controlled the land of Judea.
From the above, it is clear that using the word Earth shoul commonly mean, LOCAL LAND |
Paedophile worshipper,
It also proves that if the allah in koran were using the SAME language as the man-made language of the "corrupted" bible then this allah was no supereme being but just some local Torah and injeel plagerizer.... no?
Isn't it ironic how overzealous muslims in defence of the koran, rush to verses of the "corrupted" bible to prove the koran correct?
In reality, on its own the koran is just as useful as a screen door in a submarine...
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Look, Jesus worshipper
It seems that you are too stupid to come with such argument, if NO ONE should have not been left on earth, then it should cover Noah and those saved with him
see how stupid of an idol worshipper you are
you are gettin closer to a life dismissal, I guess getting it shou ld be the highest achievment of your wasted life |
Listen, you deluded follower of the pagan prophet
The stronger my arguments get, the sillier you sound in panic, pathetic Cube worshipper.
Noah begs Allah not to leave any EVIL person on the surface of the land, asking Allah to destroy everyone EXCEPT himself and believers like him (the people in the ark)! Noah and people who follow him LEAVE the land to embark the ark!
Open your eyes and at least read your Koran carefully.
Dismissed once more.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Ex-muslimah wrote: |
| 4 of the texts you have given us is OT, only Luke is NT, only the NT is christian texts, the OT is jewish texts |
Elephant worshipper
Jesus ordered his followers to also follow and apply the Torah, therefore what you see now days are not Chritsians, rather a bunch of confused souls bound to hell |
Wait a second....you said the Torah was corrupted and that you've never read the real one, so how do you know what Jesus ordered in order to determine whether his orders were followed?? Totally busted laughing stock.
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Dear me, the Koran EVEN brainwashes them on what to say. I can see how the Koran is a corrupt bible and I am now of an inclination that the "Injeel" was in fact his uncle, how other way would Mo get hold of christian texts?  |
The uncle of his first wife, Khadeja, was a Christian preist.
This priest is the one who conducted the wedding ceremony of Mohammad to Khadeja, this means that Mohammad wedded according to the Christian rite and thus Mohammad was then a Christian.
Beside, there were many Christians and Jews in Saudi then. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Let the Bible expose expose such ignorant idol worshipper of a christian N S:
1. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot's daughters said: "there's not a man in the earth (erets) to come in unto us" (Gen 19:31),
2. Exodus 9:33 "the rain was not poured upon the earth", the earth in here means a certain area in Egypt.
3. Jeremiah 34:1, "all the kingdoms of the earth of his dominion, and all the peoples, fought against Jerusalem." in this passage the phrase "of the earth" is limited to "his dominion," i.e., the dominion of Nebuchadnezzar.
4. Chronicles 36:23, Cyrus' empire is said to have encompassed "all the kingdoms of the earth." surely there were other kingdoms in the far east.
5. Luke 2:1 refers to a decree which went out to tax "the whole world." But this was only refers to Romans who controlled the land of Judea.
From the above, it is clear that using the word Earth shoul commonly mean, LOCAL LAND |
Now you are unsurprisingly playing the idiot!
Genesis 19:31 Lot's daughters use a hyperbole to justify their incest.
Exodus 9:33 The context makes it clear that the phrase "upon the earth" refers to Egypt.
9:33 And when Moses was gone from Pharao out of the city, he stretched forth his hands to the Lord: and the thunders and the hail ceased, neither did there drop any more rain upon the earth.
Jeremiah 34:1 You did not quote this verse properly!
34:1 The word that came to Jeremias from the Lord, when Nabuchodonosor king of Babylon, and all his army, and all the kingdoms of the earth that were under the power of his hand, and all the people fought against Jerusalem and against all the cities thereof.
2 Chronicles 36:23 and Luke 2:1 are based on hyperboles that designate the universality of those kings' authority and dominion. Ironically, these verses have the phrase "of the whole world" to highlight the universality of the kingdoms, not vice versa.
These quotations taken from the "Bible" do not allow you to interpret the phrase "ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH" in Noah's prayer as a reference to a specific portion of the land. As I said before, the Koran distinguishes a specific piece of land (locality) from the surface of the earth (universality) through the use of prepositions.
For instance, in the following verse the phrase IN THE EARTH refers to the land of Egypt:
Surah 28:4
Lo! Pharaoh exalted himself in the earth and made its people castes.
Now the phrase used in the verse above is not the same as used in the one below:
Surah 71:26
And Noah said: My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers in the land.
You should study Arabic until your next dismissal.
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| Ex-muslimah wrote: |
| 4 of the texts you have given us is OT, only Luke is NT, only the NT is christian texts, the OT is jewish texts |
Elephant worshipper
Jesus ordered his followers to also follow and apply the Torah, therefore what you see now days are not Chritsians, rather a bunch of confused souls bound to hell |
Cube worshipper
Jesus never asked His followers to OBSERVE the Mosaic Law. He came to fuilfill the law and the prophets.
You are bound to hell and idiocy very much like your pagan prophet
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Ex-muslimah
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ex-muslimah wrote: |
| Dear me, the Koran EVEN brainwashes them on what to say. I can see how the Koran is a corrupt bible and I am now of an inclination that the "Injeel" was in fact his uncle, how other way would Mo get hold of christian texts? |
The uncle of his first wife, Khadeja, was a Christian preist.
This priest is the one who conducted the wedding ceremony of Mohammad to Khadeja, this means that Mohammad wedded according to the Christian rite and thus Mohammad was then a Christian.
Beside, there were many Christians and Jews in Saudi then. |
That's who I was referring to with the uncle
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AhmedBahgat
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Look, Jesus worshipper
It seems that you are too stupid to come with such argument, if NO ONE should have not been left on earth, then it should cover Noah and those saved with him
see how stupid of an idol worshipper you are
you are gettin closer to a life dismissal, I guess getting it shou ld be the highest achievment of your wasted life |
Listen, you deluded follower of the pagan prophet
The stronger my arguments get, the sillier you sound in panic, pathetic Cube worshipper.
Noah begs Allah not to leave any EVIL person on the surface of the land, asking Allah to destroy everyone EXCEPT himself and believers like him (the people in the ark)! Noah and people who follow him LEAVE the land to embark the ark!
Open your eyes and at least read your Koran carefully.
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Hahaha, what an idiot of a Christian
You have been done you dumb, so after I call you Jessus worshipper, you got pissed and called me: 'you deluded follower of the pagan prophet'
See you punk, I never claimed to worship my prophet, nor that I ever claimed to worship the cube
but you claimed to worship Jesus, yet you took it as an insult to be called Jesus worshipper, hahahahahahahaah
piss off, you stupid confused punk
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Look, Jesus worshipper
It seems that you are too stupid to come with such argument, if NO ONE should have not been left on earth, then it should cover Noah and those saved with him
see how stupid of an idol worshipper you are
you are gettin closer to a life dismissal, I guess getting it shou ld be the highest achievment of your wasted life |
Listen, you deluded follower of the pagan prophet
The stronger my arguments get, the sillier you sound in panic, pathetic Cube worshipper.
Noah begs Allah not to leave any EVIL person on the surface of the land, asking Allah to destroy everyone EXCEPT himself and believers like him (the people in the ark)! Noah and people who follow him LEAVE the land to embark the ark!
Open your eyes and at least read your Koran carefully.
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Hahaha, what an idiot of a Christian
You have been done you dumb, so after I call you Jessus worshipper, you got pissed and called me: 'you deluded follower of the pagan prophet'
See you punk, I never claimed to worship my prophet, nor that I ever claimed to worship the cube
but you claimed to worship Jesus, yet you took it as an insult to be called Jesus worshipper, hahahahahahahaah
piss off, you stupid confused punk |
Shalom Ahmed,
There is only one thing I want to know. Were you born a dumb or did you gradually turn into a dumb as a result of your affection for the pagan prophet?
I called you a deluded follower of the pagan prophet and a cube worshipper because this is exactly what you are! LOL
It is not true that I got pissed off because you called me a Jesus worshipper. I am a Christian, which means a follower of Christ. However, I know what you imply when you call me a Jesus worshipper. Let's see your filthy act:
You called me a Jesus worshipper
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You call ex-Muslimah an elephant worshipper.
Sounds familiar, right? This proves that you consider Jesus equal to an elephant that someone supposedly worships. This is what Muslims always do! They, very much like their Cube worshipper demoniac pagan prophet, PRETEND to love and honour Jesus, but actually hate Him and look for the ways of insulting Him. Hypocrisy = Islam.
Dismissed for the third time in a row.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Regarding the following verses quoted by AhmedBaghat:
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1- Say: O unbelievers.
2- I do not worhsip what you worhsip,
3- Nor you worship what I worship.
4- And I ma not worshipping what you worship.
5- And you are not worshipping what I worship.
6- You have your religion and I have my religion.
[The Quran ; 109:1=6] |
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| So the Koran orders you to SAY these words to the kafirs. So what? How does you SAYING these things establish a general principle of indefinite peaceful coexistence with anybody and everybody who does not molest the Muslims in the solely ritualistic practice of their religion? Verse 9:03 orders you to "proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.". What might be the nature of this "grievous penalty" of which you are ordered to warn the Kafirs? |
To which AhmedBaghat further replied:
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| Obvioulsy you do not understand, the verses above are directed at the hostile kafirs, for example, the verses above should be directed at all the FFI goons who attack Islam got it, pinhead? |
Well no I HAVEN'T "got it" AB. Where in the Koran does it explicitly state or at least IMPLY that these verses are to be directed solely at "hostile Kafirs"? What is your rationale for claiming this? The verse simply orders you to say these things to "the disbelievers" [Kafirs]. We have at least now gleaned from you that "attacking Islam", in your definition, includes commenting on it adversely with words and not just attacking Muslims physically. Correct? Now supposing you "invite" someone to Islam as the Koran says you must but the person so invited refuses. Supposing you then warn them that they will burn in hell as the Koran says you must. Supposing they reply "if there is a hell it is you and your prophet Muhammad that will be burning there". Would someone who said such a thing be "attacking Islam" according to your definition? Answer please.
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| antineoliberalaxgrinder wrote: |
| Regarding the following verses quoted by AhmedBaghat: |
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1- Say: O unbelievers.
2- I do not worhsip what you worhsip,
3- Nor you worship what I worship.
4- And I ma not worshipping what you worship.
5- And you are not worshipping what I worship.
6- You have your religion and I have my religion.
[The Quran ; 109:1=6] |
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I replied: |
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| So the Koran orders you to SAY these words to the kafirs. So what? How does you SAYING these things establish a general principle of indefinite peaceful coexistence with anybody and everybody who does not molest the Muslims in the solely ritualistic practice of their religion? Verse 9:03 orders you to "proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.". What might be the nature of this "grievous penalty" of which you are ordered to warn the Kafirs? |
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To which AhmedBaghat further replied: |
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| Obvioulsy you do not understand, the verses above are directed at the hostile kafirs, for example, the verses above should be directed at all the FFI goons who attack Islam got it, pinhead? |
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| Well no I HAVEN'T "got it" AB. |
And it seems that you will not get it, if that is going to be the putcome at the end then it must be your problem not mine.
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| Where in the Koran does it explicitly state or at least IMPLY that these verses are to be directed solely at "hostile Kafirs"? |
It least it has to be directed at the kafirs who dispute the religion of Islam, possibly I used the word hostile loosely
It cannot be directed at those kafirs who careless about Islam, really, because such kafirs ALREADY do not worship what the Muslims worship, nor the Muslims worship what the kafirs worship
Ias that hard for you to understand?
| antineoliberalaxgrinder wrote: |
| What is your rationale for claiming this? The verse simply orders you to say these things to "the disbelievers" [Kafirs]. |
Read above
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| We have at least now gleaned from you that "attacking Islam", in your definition, includes commenting on it adversely with words and not just attacking Muslims physically. Correct? |
Of course, those who attack Islam must be attacking the religion itself, not its followers.
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| Now supposing you "invite" someone to Islam as the Koran says you must but the person so invited refuses. |
Well, you have to show me the verses from the Quran to support your allegation
Now the verses we have in hand do not talk about any invitation for the kafirs to join Islam, in fact it BOLDLY tell the kafirs sort of: Fuk off. That can not be an invitaion to islam.
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| Supposing you then warn them that they will burn in hell as the Koran says you must. Supposing they reply "if there is a hell it is you and your prophet Muhammad that will be burning there". Would someone who said such a thing be "attacking Islam" according to your definition? Answer please. |
Of course not, The Quran already coonfirmed that all prophets will be attacked and mocked, the Quran never told us to take retribute of such low actions by the kafirs bound to hell. Why should we if they are already bound to hell?
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Before I continue with AB's last post a brief resume of questions of mine which AB has failed to respond to at least in an intelligent manner:
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I have replied to sura 9, not once, not twice, not three times, but possibly 10 times, therefore your following repeated crap has to be dismissed: {It may be technically true that AB has discussed surah 9:29 with others on this thread and elsewhere. However he has made NO attempt to address my particular questions (as follows) in an intelligent manner}
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| Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. |
The "crimes" outlined in this verse are:
1) believing not in Allah nor the Last Day - ie rejecting (at least openly) the Koran's claim to be of divine origin and/or engaging in other Koran-defined acts of "kufr"
2) not holding forbidden that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger - "His Messenger" being defined by the Koran as Muhammad
3) not acknowledging "the religion of Truth" ie Islam
The punishment for these "crimes" as committed by "People of the Book" is to be "fought" - and presumably KILLED - unless they pay the Muslims something called "Jizya". I put it to you that the inflicting of this punishment is no more limited by verse 60:8 than the command to punish adulerers with a "merciless" flogging. Afterall why would Allah bother to define those to be fought until they pay jizya as (1),(2) and (3) if these were not ALONE sufficient reason? Wouldn't he otherwise just have said "fight the people of the book who have fought you for your faith and driven you from your homes until they pay you jizya"? |
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| Where in the Koran does it state or imply that adulterers or other "zina criminals" are to be flogged only "on Muslim land"{as AB claimed}? |
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| Do you or do you not agree that attempting to make people disbelievers is an act of kufr? |
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| So the Koran orders you to SAY these words to the kafirs[to me my religion to me yours etc]. So what? How does you SAYING these things establish a general principle of indefinite peaceful coexistence with anybody and everybody who does not molest the Muslims in the solely ritualistic practice of their religion?{AhmedBaghat did in fact address this question while I was compiling this post (see above). Perhaps he can do likewise with the others. Actually AB HASN'T answered this question adequately so disregard that last remark} |
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| Verse 9:03 orders you to "proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.". What might be the nature of this "grievous penalty" of which you are ordered to warn the Kafirs? |
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| It least it has to be directed at the kafirs who dispute the religion of Islam, possibly I used the word hostile loosely |
An important admission AB. A "hostile" Kafir can merely be one who "disputes" Islam. I will resume this in due course.
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