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Raggedy Ann
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 Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: "Muslims have better morals than Westerners" |
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Hi,
This is my first post here - I don't anticipate participating in here all that often because I already post on a couple other forums that I feel addicted to and the last thing I need is another forum to get addicted to. 
My father's family is Muslim but my mother's is not. Over the years, this had caused a severe degree of pain, although I have seen worse accounts of pain from people here. I have never been a practicing Muslim - and my father could be described as a nominal Muslim too. I was taught little of Islam but I have learned a lot about it on my own over the years.
A lot of the pain in my past was about fights I used to have with my parents (the fights have gone but the memory of them is pretty strong). The principal themes of the fights were: (and when I say Westerners - the main group of people I am referring to are practicing Christians - but you don't have to restrict it to those people at all)
- Muslims don't go around have sex before marriage like Westerners do
- Muslims don't commit adultery as rampantly as Westerners do
- Muslims have more stable marriages than Westerners do and you don't have to fear being the victim of divorce
- Western civilization is more decadent than the Muslim world and has a lower standard of morality
- You can be safer going out with a Muslim than with an American man
The list could go on. But these are the principal themes.
When faced with these themes - how would you respond to this? I would like some serious input LOL - because sometimes it can get rowdy here LOL. |
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Aceology
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: "Muslims have better morals than Westerners" |
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| - Muslims don't go around have sex before marriage like Westerners do |
don't see anything immoral with having sex as long as two (or more) parties are adults and agree to have sex.
Now let's compare it to muslims :
1.They marry with 6 year olds , and can have sex with them when they become physically fit (as long as she is not going to die under his dick)
2.They can have sex OUT of marriage(definition of adultery) with slaves,and they don't even need the slave's permission to have sex with them.
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Book 29, Number 29.32.100:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, "Tell them." She was embarrassed. He said, "It is alright, and I do it myself."
Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practising coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else's slave-girl as a wife, does not practise coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission." |
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/036.mmt.html#036.36.23.25
so westerners have sex with another consenting adult ,
muslims have ex with :
a married slave + without her permission + she is 9 years old.
and they spend their free time searching for gay porn ;
Top 4 countries searching for "Boy Ass" on Google ;
1. Pakistan
2. Saudi Arabia
3. Iran
4. Egypt
http://www.google.com/trends?q=boy+ass&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
Top 7 countries searching for "Girl f.ck" on Google ;
1. Pakistan
2. India
3. Malaysia
4. Egypt
5. Iran
6. Indonesia
7. Saudi Arabia
Top 4 countries searching for "Donkey Sex" on Google ;
1. Pakistan
2. India
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Egypt
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| Muslims don't commit adultery as rampantly as Westerners do |
as I said ,...having sex with married slave women is adultery on steroids
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| Muslims have more stable marriages than Westerners do and you don't have to fear being the victim of divorce |
I wonder why
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| Western civilization is more decadent than the Muslim world and has a lower standard of morality |
if you consider crucifying people (Quan 5:33) moral, then I have to say yes.
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| You can be safer going out with a Muslim than with an American man |
But for your post you'll get one  points.
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sword_of_truth
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| don't see anything immoral with having sex as long as two (or more) parties are adults and agree to have sex. |
Pregnancy, STD's, and responsibility to the other person's feelings must be taken into account as well.
Coming at you from a hardline atheist.
27 year old virgin, too.
The number of single moms I run into in my dating exploits is a big thorn in my side here in the USA. Of course, some are divorced and had kids through a legitimate marriage.
As far as marriage, even for some atheists it can be nice to wait to make it something special, but I don't see why it's morally required. Marriage is only a formal agreement. It's not like it does anything magical.
As far as divorce, you can be a victim of divorce, but you can also be a victim of a marriage that does not allow divorce.
What if a woman is being abused?
The hadith goes that a man will not be asked why he beat his wife.
Being trapped in a marriage with a horrible person is much worse than divorce. |
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Ram
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| - Muslims don't go around have sex before marriage like Westerners do |
Muslim men have sex before marriage with prostitutes. Yes there are prostitutes in Muslim countries.
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| - Muslims don't commit adultery as rampantly as Westerners do |
I am laughing. Many middle class (not very rich) Saudi married men travel to Mumbai, the first thing they do is to pick up a prostitute. Actually there are pimps in Mumbai who specialize in procuring prostitutes for Arab men. What about the custom of Mu'ta (temporary marriage) in Iran? This is legalized prostitution. Muslim men can have 4 wives. That is immoral.
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| - Muslims have more stable marriages than Westerners do and you don't have to fear being the victim of divorce |
This is one more lie. Muslim men divorce their wives frequently. Muslim women do not have the right to divorce.
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| - Western civilization is more decadent than the Muslim world and has a lower standard of morality |
This is the biggest lie. Look at the decadance of well off Arabs and Muslims. Rich Muslims travel to Europe for gambling. They also drink alcohol, not in their countries, only when they travel outside.
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| - You can be safer going out with a Muslim than with an American man |
Muslim men are sexually frustrated. A woman is more likely to raped by a Muslim than by an American man. |
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: Re: "Muslims have better morals than Westerners" |
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Hi
Welcome to FFI
I am a Muslim all my life, so let me advice you with what you should tell your parents replying to their allegations:
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| - Muslims don't go around have sex before marriage like Westerners do |
Wrong, they do it exactly as the westerners, the only difference that they do it in secret
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| - Muslims don't commit adultery as rampantly as Westerners do |
Wrong, adultery is very common in the so called Muslim socities
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| - Muslims have more stable marriages than Westerners do and you don't have to fear being the victim of divorce |
True, but it is not because of Islam, rather because of the culture, in fact if it was because of Islam then divorce is halal and is sanctioned by Allah, on the other hand westerners who are mainly raised as christians, they cannot divorce according to their religion yet they do it, therefore it has nothing to do with religion rather with culture
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| - Western civilization is more decadent than the Muslim world and has a lower standard of morality |
This is true but the reason for it is simply the so called Muslims are ashamed to do their sins in public while calling themselves Muslim, so they do it behind doors in secret
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| - You can be safer going out with a Muslim than with an American man |
Wrong, you will have the same risk going out with both becauuse we are dealing with humans who can snap at any point of time if the circumstances are right
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Aceology
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: Re: "Muslims have better morals than Westerners" |
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Hi
Welcome to FFI
I am a Muslim all my life, so let me advice you with what you should tell your parents replying to their allegations:
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| - Muslims don't go around have sex before marriage like Westerners do |
Wrong, they do it exactly as the westerners, the only difference that they do it in secret
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| - Muslims don't commit adultery as rampantly as Westerners do |
Wrong, adultery is very common in the so called Muslim socities
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| - Muslims have more stable marriages than Westerners do and you don't have to fear being the victim of divorce |
True, but it is not because of Islam, rather because of the culture, in fact if it was because of Islam then divorce is halal and is sanctioned by Allah, on the other hand westerners who are mainly raised as christians, they cannot divorce according to their religion yet they do it, therefore it has nothing to do with religion rather with culture
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| - Western civilization is more decadent than the Muslim world and has a lower standard of morality |
This is true but the reason for it is simply the so called Muslims are ashamed to do their sins in public while calling themselves Muslim, so they do it behind doors in secret
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| - You can be safer going out with a Muslim than with an American man |
Wrong, you will have the same risk going out with both becauuse we are dealing with humans who can snap at any point of time if the circumstances are right
Salam |
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Raggedy Ann
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
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Mersk
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You read your Quran and you will know everything about Modk revolves around sex, the promise of sex, what to do with sex, Allah giving him 'sexy' dreams and so forth. Sex is on his mind the foremost after killing kafirs!! Well .. actually there is also the question of dealing with money, loot and land he acquired on behalf of his Allah.
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AhmedBahgat
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist
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Mersk
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Of course Beggar Muslims cannot explain why there are so many versions of Islam, including confused MAMs and Muslims not knowing about apostasy laws in their respective countries.
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Raggedy Ann
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist |
Nah - it's certainly not MY idea to try to "fix" Islam to make it a "better" religion - I'm more in favor of getting the heck OUT of Islam.
Either way gets you killed anyway (ok that wasn't great but whatever  ) |
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist |
Nah - it's certainly not MY idea to try to "fix" Islam to make it a "better" religion - I'm more in favor of getting the heck OUT of Islam.
Either way gets you killed anyway (ok that wasn't great but whatever ) |
Hmmm, I have to say, I am very impressed with myself, I sensed a freak and I am right
now the freak wants to get me killed, I better increase the security level
Bring it on, freak
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Raggedy Ann
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist |
Nah - it's certainly not MY idea to try to "fix" Islam to make it a "better" religion - I'm more in favor of getting the heck OUT of Islam.
Either way gets you killed anyway (ok that wasn't great but whatever ) |
Hmmm, I have to say, I am very impressed with myself, I sensed a freak and I am right
now the freak wants to get me killed, I better increase the security level
Bring it on, freak |
I may not be a freak but I am a weirdo:p
anyway - is this the general attitude of this forum?  |
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AhmedBahgat
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| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist |
Nah - it's certainly not MY idea to try to "fix" Islam to make it a "better" religion - I'm more in favor of getting the heck OUT of Islam.
Either way gets you killed anyway (ok that wasn't great but whatever ) |
Hmmm, I have to say, I am very impressed with myself, I sensed a freak and I am right
now the freak wants to get me killed, I better increase the security level
Bring it on, freak |
I may not be a freak but I am a weirdo:p
anyway - is this the general attitude of this forum? |
Yes, this is the general attitude of this forum against the religion of Islam, thanks for coming clean
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Raggedy Ann
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| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist |
Nah - it's certainly not MY idea to try to "fix" Islam to make it a "better" religion - I'm more in favor of getting the heck OUT of Islam.
Either way gets you killed anyway (ok that wasn't great but whatever ) |
Hmmm, I have to say, I am very impressed with myself, I sensed a freak and I am right
now the freak wants to get me killed, I better increase the security level
Bring it on, freak |
I may not be a freak but I am a weirdo:p
anyway - is this the general attitude of this forum? |
Yes, this is the general attitude of this forum against the religion of Islam, thanks for coming clean |
I didn't mean the attitude against Islam, I meant the attitude toward newcomers  |
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