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charleslemartel
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| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| Why don't just evolutionist put the evidence in a place like a museum where millions of people can see with their own eyes! Because i want to see evidence with my own eyes so i and others can decided for themselves if it is real or fake? |
They have. In fact, I am unaware of a single decent Natural History Museum without displays on evolution to include transitional fossils.
Where do you live, I'll be happy to point to a museum nearby (if there is one). |
He lives in New York.
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charleslemartel
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| And about NDE i know you won't believe it since you haven't experience it yourself therefore you will throw all the credible evidence that is so evident by millions of people who have experienced it. whatever the case you should have an open mind and search both sides. |
First off.... you overstate the frequency of NDEs. What study has ever established that there are "millions" of them? It's pretty clear you are just guessing.
That said, the problem with NDEs is that when all of the experiences are accounted for, the neat little "afterlife" explanation collapses pretty quickly. Promoters are very selective about which NDEs they anecdotally use to describe the phenomenon. They tend to leave out (for example) the 15% or so of NDEs that involve tortures by elves, giants, demons... or the ones that involve games of golf or illicit sex. I'm not making these up.
Interestingly... those NDEs that explicitly "support" religious beliefs sort by prejudice. Muslims tend to meet Muhammad "the Prophet," while Christians tend to meet Jesus "the Son of God." There are no recorded accounts of Christians being met by Muhammad.
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Dear Huxley, what is your opinion about NDE's where the person sees his body lying while he himself watches from some distance?
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crazy canuck
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| charleslemartel wrote: |
| THHuxley_redux wrote: |
| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| And about NDE i know you won't believe it since you haven't experience it yourself therefore you will throw all the credible evidence that is so evident by millions of people who have experienced it. whatever the case you should have an open mind and search both sides. |
First off.... you overstate the frequency of NDEs. What study has ever established that there are "millions" of them? It's pretty clear you are just guessing.
That said, the problem with NDEs is that when all of the experiences are accounted for, the neat little "afterlife" explanation collapses pretty quickly. Promoters are very selective about which NDEs they anecdotally use to describe the phenomenon. They tend to leave out (for example) the 15% or so of NDEs that involve tortures by elves, giants, demons... or the ones that involve games of golf or illicit sex. I'm not making these up.
Interestingly... those NDEs that explicitly "support" religious beliefs sort by prejudice. Muslims tend to meet Muhammad "the Prophet," while Christians tend to meet Jesus "the Son of God." There are no recorded accounts of Christians being met by Muhammad.
Go figure. |
Dear Huxley, what is your opinion about NDE's where the person sees his body lying while he himself watches from some distance? |
Our topic is " Some Evolution theories in question".
NDE experiences,reincarnation, UFOs, ESP or even proof that god exist has nothing to do with theory of evolution.
NED does not prove evolution is wrong. Its like arguing Pigs can fly because bumble bees cant swin. |
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charleslemartel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| crazy canuck wrote: |
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Dear Huxley, what is your opinion about NDE's where the person sees his body lying while he himself watches from some distance? |
Our topic is " Some Evolution theories in question".
NDE experiences,reincarnation, UFOs, ESP or even proof that god exist has nothing to do with theory of evolution.
NED does not prove evolution is wrong. Its like arguing Pigs can fly because bumble bees cant swin. |
You are right; I got carried away by the curiosity.
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THHuxley_redux
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| THHuxley_redux wrote: |
| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| Why don't just evolutionist put the evidence in a place like a museum where millions of people can see with their own eyes! Because i want to see evidence with my own eyes so i and others can decided for themselves if it is real or fake? |
They have. In fact, I am unaware of a single decent Natural History Museum without displays on evolution to include transitional fossils.
Where do you live, I'll be happy to point to a museum nearby (if there is one). |
He lives in New York. |
City?
And he has never been to the American Museum of Natural History? For heaven's sake, it has one of the premier displays on evolution on the planet!!!
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/other/evolution.html
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THHuxley_redux
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| charleslemartel wrote: |
| Dear Huxley, what is your opinion about NDE's where the person sees his body lying while he himself watches from some distance? |
I suspect that all NDEs are visual/auditory hallucinations. I myself had the same experience as a teenager sniffing chloroform in the highschool Biology lab.
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sword_of_truth
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I don't know if this can continue much longer.
Basically, what we have here is a denial of the power of human reason to figure things out. A denial of the human ability to understand. Well, I'm sorry, but humans can understand, and they have come to the right conclusions. The DNA evidence on cdk's video is pretty damning if you actually understand it. If you doubt the DNA evidence, you must at least suspend your judgement on it, and perhaps you may ask a scientist.
Basically, the only excuse that people offer for not believing in evolution is that it is too hard for their tiny brains to understand and investigate.
Unless you have a bio phd, then shut up. You have no right to object when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's like trying to take the plane from the pilot because you don't trust his flying skills. When you have your phd, take it up with the scientists.
The photos were photoshopped.
Sounds suspiciously like the flat-earthers explaination for the photos from space. Can you say, "paranoid delusional?"
Why the conspiracy theories?
Thousands of mad scientists all collaborating in this effort to fabricate all the evidence for evolution?
Yeah, I bet 9/11 was an inside job, too. The holocaust didn't happen. The moon landing was a hoax. Global warming is a big scientific conspiracy to get research money, just like evolution.
Damn, those scientists are just so crafty, aren't they?
DNA evidence is very very strong for evolution. It can be done from theory combined with observation.
Only direct observation will be accepted.
This is solipsism.
Evolution WORKS. Even, in the completely absurd event that it is wrong, say because God only made it LOOK like everything evolved, it still works, and is a legitimate theory to study. If evolution only gives the correct results because God designed everything to look like it evolved, it still gives the correct results.
It is much more reasonable to explain this by a mere extrapolation of things we have actually observed than by some completely ad hoc and out of left field hypothesis that supernatural events were occuring.
Creationists are like theives caught on camera trying to argue that the video was fake.
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
Damn, those guys are so tricky. Those scientists and all their hoaxes. |
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Radagast
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| sword_of_truth wrote: |
| Unless you have a bio phd, then shut up. You have no right to object when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's like trying to take the plane from the pilot because you don't trust his flying skills. When you have your phd, take it up with the scientists. |
That's the problem... we have people like abdul-rahman who is clearly not even pass secondary education... making proclamations based on their primitive understanding of anatomy when most qualified anatomists would have missed the implications of Levoniana.
If you present them a Levoniana jawbone, it would just be a piece of bone. The fact that the bone has fish-like and tetrapod like features would have totally missed them by......
The search for the "missing link" is over.
okay... such subtle nuisances aside, clearly Archaeopteryx but then those die-hard creationists would simply shift the goal-post by saying...
Go figure.... you ask them what it takes to be a transitional fossil, and you find one that complies, and then they say it is merely feature in common"! Isn't "feature in common" a hallmark of a transitional fossil in the first place? 
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Always_Faithful
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| Radagast wrote: |
okay... such subtle nuisances aside, clearly Archaeopteryx but then those die-hard creationists would simply shift the goal-post by saying...
Go figure.... you ask them what it takes to be a transitional fossil, and you find one that complies, and then they say it is merely feature in common"! Isn't "feature in common" a hallmark of a transitional fossil in the first place? |
That is why I more often bring up Caudipteryx. The avian features are so primitive that they could only conceivable have used their feathery tufts for brief hovering. In fact, even with creationist wriggling I can't see anyone bringing up grounds against it being a transitional organism.
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