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HILLMAN.
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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| Once, in the ol' days, i read indonesian FFI...nothing is interesting ...just blaming-even threatening- each other with no strong argument. At some points...it seems that people think proving islam is wrong means proving christian is right and vice versa ...which is ridiculous ... |
these christians think that they're better than muslims ... what a big mouth they have ... 
even these creatures never learn the true meaning of "RE-ACTION" ..they're so busy with reaction and they have less time for understanding "the ACTION" itself ...so ridiculous 
they see the world with one eye  ..so sad ! |
Yes, THE ACTION started when Muhammad claimed himself as the last prophet.
(Ya, AKSI itu dimulai ketika Muhammad meng-klaim dirinya sebagai nabi terakhir.)
And THE ACTION started when Islam Followers (Khalifah) colonize the Christians and force them to became Islam Follower, THE RE-ACTION was the FIRST CRUSADE began.
(Dan AKSI itu dimulai ketika pengikut ajaran Islam (Khalifah) menjajah negara Kristen dan memaksa mereka untuk mengikuti ajaran Islam, REAKSInya adalah PERANG SALIB PERTAMA terjadi.)
Here we are the RE-ACTION of those. 
{Kini kita adalah REAKSI dari semua itu. )
One eye?
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Head-Fixer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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...oooo boy !!!
you are soooooo bizzare .... hey where's your logic ?
what's the matter with you guy ?
i can be your nice friend if you wanna talk your private affair to me. 
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HILLMAN.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Ha..ha.. Please reading history my friend.
Wassalam |
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Mangga Manis
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Head-Fixer wrote: |
these christians think that they're better than muslims ... what a big mouth they have ...
even these creatures never learn the true meaning of "RE-ACTION" ..they're so busy with reaction and they have less time for understanding "the ACTION" itself ...so ridiculous
they see the world with one eye ..so sad ! |
Dear Head-Fixer,
Christians never think that they're better than muslims, they KNOW that they are better than muslims. 
regards
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Head-Fixer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| HILLMAN. wrote: |
Ha..ha.. Please reading history my friend.
Wassalam |
you just got wrong start of history. christian used roman empire as war machine for cover centuries spreading christianity to other lands and other nations by forcing before Islamic age.
see ??
i told you that you see the world with one eye ... you never learn at all
now, time to rebuild your conclusion about "the action" !
according to Hillman's formula, i think we need somebody who will instruct his forefinger to Adam and bestowing him "the first trouble maker award" .. |
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HILLMAN.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| HILLMAN. wrote: |
Ha..ha.. Please reading history my friend.
Wassalam |
you just got wrong start of history. christian used roman empire as war machine for cover centuries spreading christianity to other lands and other nations by forcing before Islamic age.
see ??
i told you that you see the world with one eye ... you never learn at all
now, time to rebuild your conclusion about "the action" !
according to Hillman's formula, i think we need somebody who will instruct his forefinger to Adam and bestowing him "the first trouble maker award" .. |
You said that my friend. I did'nt ...
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire
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Persecuted religions I assumed you knew the meaning of "persecuted".
Christianity
As Christianity began to spread throughout the empire it was initially largely left in peace.
Suetonius mentions passingly that: "[during Nero's reign] Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief" [35] but he doesn't explain for what they were punished.
Tacitus reports that after the Great Fire of Rome in AD 64 some in the population held Nero responsible [36] and that to diffuse blame, he targeted and blamed the Christians [36]. |
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I
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Religious policy
Further information: Constantine I and Christianity
Constantine is perhaps best known for being the first Christian Roman Emperor. His reign was a turning point for the Christian Church. In 313 Constantine announced toleration of Christianity in the Edict of Milan, which removed penalties for professing Christianity (under which many had been martyred in previous persecutions of Christians) and returned confiscated Church property. Though a similar edict had been issued in 311 by Galerius, then senior emperor of the Tetrarchy, Galerius' edict granted Christians the right to practice their religion but did not restore any property to them. [188]
Scholars debate whether Constantine adopted his mother St. Helena's Christianity in his youth, or whether he adopted it gradually over the course of his life.[189] Constantine was over 40 when he finally declared himself a Christian.[190] Constantine however still maintained the title of Pontifex Maximus, which emperors bore as heads of the pagan priesthood. Writing to Christians, Constantine made clear that he believed he owed his successes to the protection of the Christian High God alone.[191] Throughout his rule, Constantine supported the Church financially, built various basilicas, granted privileges (e.g. exemption from certain taxes) to clergy, promoted Christians to high ranking offices, and returned property confiscated during the Great Persecution of Diocletian.[192] His most famous building projects include the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and Old Saint Peter's Basilica.
The reign of Constantine established a precedent for the position of the Christian Emperor in the Church; Constantine considered himself responsible to God for the spiritual health of his subjects, and thus he had a duty to maintain orthodoxy.[193] [194] The emperor ensured that God was properly worshipped in his empire; what proper worship consisted of was for the Church to determine.[195] In 316, Constantine acted as a judge in a North African dispute concerning the heresy of the Donatists. After making a decision against the Donatists, Constantine led an army of Christians against Christians. After 300 years of pacifism, this was the first intra-Christian persecution. More significantly, in 325 he summoned the Council of Nicaea, effectively the first Ecumenical Council (unless the Council of Jerusalem is so classified), to deal mostly with the heresy of Arianism. Constantine also enforced the prohibition of the First Council of Nicaea against celebrating Easter on the day before the Jewish Passover (14 Nisan) (see Quartodecimanism and Easter controversy).[196]
Constantine instituted several legislative measures which had an impact on Jews. They were forbidden to own Christian slaves or to circumcise their slaves. Conversion of Christians to Judaism was outlawed. Congregations for religious services were restricted, but Jews were allowed to enter Jerusalem on Tisha B'Av, the anniversary of the destruction of the Temple. |
Since Edict of Milan, Christianity spread through the Roman Empire in peaceful way.
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Head-Fixer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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oh yeaa ... i can see it ... 
according to Ibnu Kathir's tafseer :
as was mentioned by Al-Hafiz Ibn `Asakir in his biography of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah Al-Sahmi, one of the Companions. He said that he was taken prisoner by the Romans, who brought him to their king. The king said, "Become a Christian, and I will give you a share of my kingdom and my daughter in marriage.'' `Abdullah said: "If you were to give me all that you possess and all that Arabs possess to make me give up the religion of Muhammad even for an instant, I would not do it.'' The king said, "Then I will kill you.'' `Abdullah said, "It is up to you.'' The king gave orders that he should be crucified, and commanded his archers to shoot near his hands and feet while ordering him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then the king gave orders that he should be brought down, and that a big vessel made of copper be brought and heated up. Then, while `Abdullah was watching, one of the Muslim prisoners was brought out and thrown into it, until all that was left of him was scorched bones. The king ordered him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then he ordered that `Abdullah be thrown into the vessel, and he was brought back to the pulley to be thrown in. `Abdullah wept, and the king hoped that he would respond to him, so he called him, but `Abdullah said, "I only weep because I have only one soul with which to be thrown into this vessel at this moment for the sake of Allah; I wish that I had as many souls as there are hairs on my body with which I could undergo this torture for the sake of Allah.'' According to some reports, the king imprisoned him and deprived him of food and drink for several days, then he sent him wine and pork, and he did not come near them. Then the king called him and asked him, "What stopped you from eating'' `Abdullah said, "It is permissible for me ﴿under these circumstances﴾, but I did not want to give you the opportunity to gloat.'' The king said to him, "Kiss my head and I will let you go.'' `Abdullah said, "And will you release all the Muslim prisoners with me'' The king said, "Yes.'' So `Abdullah kissed his head and he released him and all the other Muslim prisoners he was holding. When he came back, `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "Every Muslim should kiss the head of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah, and I will be the first to do so.'' And he stood up and kissed his head. May Allah be pleased with them both.
sooo sweet huh ?... |
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HILLMAN.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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It is just a story which made up to lullaby.
Did Ibnu Kathir mentioned the name of the King of Romans who captured Abdullah bin Hudhafah Al-Sahmi ?
No, my friend, Ibnu Kathir did'nt have any proof of that story. He can't gave the name, my friend.
Btw, it will be a different story if Abdullah captured the Roman's King. The King will beheaded, not released with kisses.
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HILLMAN.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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What are you trying to tell me with that link, my friend?
Action & Reaction?
I wrote before, Islam & Christianity against each other because "the first action" of spreading Islam was doing by sword.
Remember the hadits
Muhammad (saw) said:
أمرت أن أقاتل الناس حتى يقولوا لا إله إلا الله فإذا قالوها عصموا مني دماءهم وأموالهم إلا بحقها وحسابهم على الله
"I have been ordered to fight mankind until they say, "Laa ilaaha illallah wa anna Muhammadar Rasoul-Ullah - There is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (saw) is the messenger of Allah." If they say that, their blood and wealth will be saved from me, except from the right of Islam (the Sharee'ah); and their accountability will be with Allah." (Musnad al-Imaam Ahmad)
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Head-Fixer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: |
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now you're bewildered by your own statement.
time to learn and think carefully  |
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HILLMAN.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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You did the same as before, my friend.
Self proclaimed, when you can't answer the post. |
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Head-Fixer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| And THE ACTION started when Islam Followers (Khalifah) colonize the Christians and force them to became Islam Follower, THE RE-ACTION was the FIRST CRUSADE began. |
you wrote text above .. think twice before you raised something !!
i told you that you choosed wrong start of history to conclude this case.
churchs and roman empire took over other lands especially Arab. step by step.
now, should muslims wait their land be conguered by them ??
who made the first action then ??? |
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HILLMAN.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Is Arab = Islam?
Please read.
Source: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/regy/hd_regy.htm
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Rome's rule over Egypt officially began with the arrival of Octavian (later called Augustus) in 30 B.C., following his defeat of Marc Antony and Cleopatra in the battle at Actium. Augustus, who presented himself to the people of Egypt as the successor to the pharaohs, dismantled the Ptolemaic monarchy and annexed the country as his personal estate. He appointed a prefect (governor) for a limited term, which effectively depoliticized the country, neutralized rivalries for its control among powerful Romans, and undermined any possible focus for local sentiments. For almost a decade, Egypt was garrisoned with Roman legions and auxiliary units until conditions became stable. All business was transacted according to the principles and procedures of Roman law, and local administration was converted to a liturgic system in which ownership of property brought an obligation of public service. New structures of government formalized the privileges associated with "Greek" background. |
Can you give me the name of Islam's country which taken by Roman?
Do you slandering the church for this?
Same habit you did.
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elang_laut
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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from the above discussions...it s crystal clear that both indonesians moslems and christians are at the same level of darkness ...
come on wake up guys ....your are mumbling around old stories about abrahamaic epics ..
but this is new millenium ....get some elightenment folks!!
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