Does Islam permit Rape?

[witty_boy]

[Mersk]

[sum]

Hello witty_boy

You have sunk into a deep state of denial. You have closed your eyes and mind to reality. What are you frightened of? I have given the Islamic legal ruling which permits the forcing of wives to have sex against their will but you just ignore it. Why are you running away from the truth that rape - forced sex - is legal within Islamic marriage?

Your own Islamic legislature states this - what more do you want?

Islam permits forced sex within marriage. This is rape and Islam permits this.

Face up to the fact that Islam is immoral and brutal. If you had any sense of morality you would renounce Islam and become an apostate.

sum

[Ex-muslimah]

[Aceology]

Since you (witty_boy) , are suffering from (short time memory loss ;

[Woland]

witty_boy,

I am be curious as to what you will answer to the post above. My personal guess is that you will either never post in this thread again, or avoid that post, or "address" it with fallacies and dishonest arguments.

Care to prove me wrong?

Woland

[witty_boy]

I was already asked this questions millions of times during the discussion, about Azl we talked more and more, about his second point i just answered it few posts ago. CASE ENDED AS YOU SAID.

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[sum]

Hello witty_boy

Before we close your thread, it has yo be recorded that the following hadith and current Islamic jurisdiction both show that forced sex is permissible in Islam.

Here is what HEDAYA (ref. 11, p. 141) writes:

One can enjoy a wife by force

But not if she be refractory.—If a wife be disobedient or refractory and go abroad without her husband’s consent, she is not entitled to any support from him, until she return and make submission, because the rejection of the matrimonial restraint in this instance originates with her; but when she returns home, she is then subject to it, for which reason she again becomes entitled to her support as before. It is otherwise where a woman, residing in the house of her husband, refuses to admit him to the conjugal embrace, as she is entitled to maintenance, notwithstanding her opposition, because being then in his power, he may, if he please, enjoys her by force.

Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practising coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission.Someone who has someone else's slave-girl as a wife, does not practise coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission."

I am sorry to say but you have no option but to admit that Islam does permit forced sex - rape. Your own Islam says so. It is all there for you to see unless you are going to rely on going into denial mode.

sum

[sword_of_truth]

Don't forget, we also got witty_boy to admit to several incriminating things about the early muslims, and that he left several points unanswered. In particular, he never gave any evidence to support his excuses about these muslims improving their behavior, since they were supposedly just learning. If we had our hands on the chronology of these events, this could lead to a very incriminating conclusion.

I think the case for the men cheating on their wives, at least, was very very strong. witty_boy claims that the reward of taking a slave girl home for the crime of cheating on their wives is, in fact, a punishment, and also claimed that the muslims changed their minds about having sex with the captives without providing any evidence for it. Whether or not they changed their minds, Muhammed's behavior clearly showed permission (conditional permission, perhaps) or indifference to it. Then, a further hadith showed that Umar ibn Khattab's son explicitly enforced this behavior, providing further evidence for this.

Finally, we saw that one entire school of legal thought permits marital rape.

Muslims are not supposed to agree on something that's wrong. There is a hadith about that, although I don't know the reference for it, unfortunately.

So, witty_boy may get away with thinking he has triumphed, in light of our failure to provide absolute certainty from the hadiths (despite very incriminating evidence), but some very damaging things have, never the less, been revealed.

[Haik Monsieur]

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[witty_boy]

Ok. oh, i mean ok.

[Aceology]

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[witty_boy]

Play away from here, baby. this thread was closed, i was just chatting with M.

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