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witty_boy
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Why does it take pressure from the Kafirs to get Muslims to do the right thing?
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 What is this thing in your head ?? is it brain ?? I don't think so.
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The first Europeans to use African slaves in the New World were the Spaniards who labourers on islands such as Cuba and Hispaniola, where the alarming decline in the native population had spurred the first royal laws protecting the native population (Laws of Burgos, 1512-1513). The first African slaves arrived in Hispaniola in 1501.England played a prominent role in the Atlantic slave trade.
The "slave triangle" was pioneered by Francis Drake and his associates. Slavery was a legal institution in all of the 13 American colonies, and the profits of the slave trade and of West Indian plantations amounted to 5% of the British economy at the time of the Industrial Revolution. |
READ THE FOLLOWING IF YOU HAVE EYES
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But the dream ends seconds after they get off the plane in Europe: they are put to work around the home as domestic slaves and never set foot in a classroom.
Some are beaten and abused, others end up as the sexual playthings of paedophiles.
Police fear many are being trafficked to Europe so their relatives can claim a host of welfare benefits.
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| There are thought to be 10,000 West African children living with strangers in the UK, many of whom may not be living the lives they had been promised. |
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Debe was taken, aged 13, to Italy by a white friend of his father.
For three years he was a sex slave to the man and his paedophile friends.
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Why does it take pressure from the Kafirs to get Muslims to do the right thing?
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piscohot
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Can you See slavery in the Islamic society now ??!! of course not,
by this way you can't find any slaves now in the islamic society. |
By bringing up 'slavery' in nonmuslim countries, you are proving that there is NO slavery in muslim countries?
Why don't we stick to the subject of 'RAPE'?
How about answering my earlier question?
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witty_boy
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Why don't we stick to the subject of 'RAPE'?
How about answering my earlier question? |
Excellent porker !
We won't talk about Slavery any more, and stick to the subject of 'RAPE'.
But i infrom you that your question was answered, if you don't like my answer, then tell me why , so that i can help you. but to claim that i didn't answer, that's  |
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When you have sex with a woman without her consent, that is rape. Muslims use the excuse that they married these women so therefore it is not rape. But they married these women without their consent, So the marriage means nothing. Therefore, it's still rape and the marriage is merely an attempted cover up for rape. Plain and simple. Muhammad approved rape.
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Sorry twitty boy, but your links do not change facts.
The Muslim African slave trade had been long established and was so well organised in Africa that by the time the Europeans reached it they had nothing left to do except buy the slaves from the ARAB slave traders and load them into the ships.
The Arab traders marched their slaves across desert to reach the Arab market, which caused the death of countless humans. The women were predominantly sold as SEX SLAVES; and, because eunichs sold for more money than "ungelded" men, large numbers of African men destined for the Arab markets were castrated. (As Muslims they were not really supposed to do this - so they paid non-Muslims to do it, the hypocrites.)
You might be advised to read a book or two about the Arab slave trade in Africa before you play the tu quoque game.
The African slave trade might be one of the only things the Muslims discovered before the Kafirs did.
The difference is that we ENDED IT OURSELVES(not requiring pressure from MUSLIMS to do the right thing!), acknowledged what we did, admitted we did wrong, and apologised.
And Muslims will do this.........when?
As for your rubbish about modern slavery in Europe and Britain,we do not ignore it, we publish honest figures about it, it is illegal, it is prosecuted, it is brought about mainly by the immigrants(including Muslims) that we so generously allow to come, and we do not idolise some slave-owning Uswa Hasana as a perfect example to emulate.
So I ask again: Why does it take pressure from the Kafirs to get Muslims to do the right thing?
The Arab slave trade in Africa HAS NOT YET ENDED.
P.S. Do you think, Twitty boy, that lots of different colours and big giant print makes you look more clever than you really are? Or do you just lack emotional depth and ability to communicate meaningfully with black normal sized type? |
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witty_boy
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You were the one who argued and oooh.. still argues there is no slavery. Of course there is no apparent slavery in your Islamic nations lest UN will kick your ass. Islam didn’t abolish slavery. Muhammad your prophet had slaves. And it continued until 1960s in Saudi Arabia where your man was born. It took intense international pressure to get it abolished in the birth place of Islam. But not completely. It remains in camouflage. This is Qanoon al-Kafeel you say nothing has to do with Islam? No my Muhammadan, it is the modern form of old Islamic slavery. Very much related to it.
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Can you understand ? just try. you can read a paragraph, read it again, and ask your self what do this writer want to say through these words, at this time you can understand.
Islam came while slavery was deeeeeep rooted in this society, Islam restricted it untill it became just in WARS in absence of Captives exchange. What happens in K.S.A 'Qanoon al-Kafeel ' isn't slavery. whatever what it is, i don't care. I concerned about what the religion of Islam says.
Oh my god, what are you all doing ???? go back to the original topic.
RAPE in Islam.
I can't find any one here could do any thing about this point; Rape in Islam.
Any body can prove that RAPE is permitted by Islam ??
We can see the post of Haik Monsieur :
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Does Quran approve Rape?
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Khail asks and answers, this is a debate between Khalil and himself
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| Whoever wants to argue Quran doesn’t allow sex with captive women (slave women) can attend this post and rebut. |
Khalil made "Right Hand possess" = slave women. However the Prophet (PBUH) says :
(Bukhari, 46 , 720) Narrated Abu Musa:
Allah's Apostle said, "He who has a slave-girl and educates and treats her nicely andthen manumits and marries her, will get a double reward."
So this man didn't do sex with her, but he can manumit and marry her. therefor, Khalil is talking about Saryya or Right Hands possess not any captive woman. so from the beginning, Quran didn't allow sex with any captive women but those who will be right hands possess. the two words are completely different.
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Through these verses there emerges out an alleged almighty Allah sanctions raping of women who are married but unfortunately became captives of Muslims. A divine authorization; of adultery and fornication. And in the right context it is the divine approval of rape.
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You are deceiful and lair. Allah allowed Muslims to take them as right hand possess, do you know what that means ? Read the following part from my thread to know that you are LAIR :
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At-Tasarri is treating the bondwoman as the wife, this man will be obligated to take care of her and provide her with all what she needs, and has the right to have intercourse with her as well. I think when you said Rape in Islam, you mean At-Tasarri. Therefor, We should know what At-Tasarri means so that we can know: Does it equal to Rape or not.
In fact, At-Tasarri doesn't equal to Rape, but it is very similar to the legal marriage, but the difference is that the woman-in this case- isn't free woman. We can say also that At-Tasarri raises her from just a captive to be 'Saryya'- and i mentioned what al-tasarri means- so she became very similar to the man's wife.
before perfroming At-tasarri, the man must make sure that this woman isn't pregnant, this is what happens in Marrige, Do you know why? because this man is about to take over the responsibility for this woman as his wife and he will be the father of her kids as no one can have intercourse with her but this man, and her kids from him will be verily free. what is this ? is this rape to a captive woman? I think any one will read this paragraph will think that i'm talking about the Marriage.
Now, you should imagine the Islamic society where those captive women are living without husbands, without houses, without any thing. Where are their husbands you talked about ??!! why didn't they come to the prophet(pbuh), parley with him, and request to return their captives? Do you find it impossible? but in fact it happened and the prophet accepted according to the following hadith,
[color=indigo]Al-Bukhari, Book 46, Number 716:
Narrated Marwan and Al-Miswar bin Makhrama:
When the delegates of the tribe of Hawazin came to the Prophet and they requested him to return their properties and captives. The Prophet stood up and said to them, "I have other people with me in this matter (as you see) and the most beloved statement to me is the true one; you may choose either the properties or the prisoners as I have delayed their distribution." The Prophet had waited for them for more than ten days since his arrival from Ta'if. So, when it became evident to them that the Prophet was not going to return them except one of the two, they said, "We choose our prisoners." The Prophet got up amongst the people and glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and said, "Then after, these brethren of yours have come to us with repentance, and I see it logical to return them the captives. So, whoever amongst you likes to do that as a favor, then he can do it, and whoever of you likes to stick to his share till we recompense him from the very first war booty which Allah will give us, then he can do so (i.e. give up the present captives)." The people unanimously said, "We do that (return the captives) willingly." The Prophet said, "We do not know which of you has agreed to it and which have not, so go back and let your leaders forward us your decision." So, all the people then went back and discussed the matter with their leaders who returned and informed the Prophet that all the people had willingly given their consent to return the captives. This is what has reached us about the captives of Hawazin. Narrated Anas that 'Abbas said to the Prophet, "I paid for my ransom and Aqil's ransom."
So How could these women still living in this status among muslims without eveb houses? I think if Islam accepted this situation, you would be able to claim that this society accepts fornication and prostitution, but in fact our society never accepted this anarchy, but assured that these women must be under the protection of men who take care of them and will be the fathers of the kids which these women will have.
Instead of putting them in prisons as the americans do with Iraqi women ,raping and excruciating them. It was WARS, our Muslims women can be captivated as their women, but in this time, our women wouldn't be treated with the same manner in which Muslims treat the captive women. I think you read what i wrote above, and you can read what happens in IRAQ. by the islamic treatment , this captive woman can't be called captive after all what she had. Man, House, Free Kids, protection,....... Do you think this is Rape ?? of course not.
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Do think that Allah allowed muslims to rape them ? Do you know what rape means
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| Three of them -- Barker, former Private Steven Green, and Sgt. Paul Cortez -- took turns sexually assaulting the girl, Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, in her living room, before Green shot her with an AK-47 several times, said Bierce, citing Barker's June 30 statement. Then Barker poured lamp kerosene on her and someone set her on fire.http://jimbenderoxford.blogspot.com/2006/08/american-soldier-confesses-to-murder.html |
Americans rape even themselves!
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The USA military has pillaged and raped the American Indians and the Mexicans in the southwest in the same way they are now doing to the Iraqis. Even today, naive Latinas who join the US Armed Forces are being brutalized and raped by racist Jews and white military personnel. They are being recruited for the exclusive enjoyment of depraved US Jewish and white military personnel.
watch the picture of these women crying.
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Go back here and see the contradiction in your miraculous post :
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Consequently these holy warriors practiced Azl = coitus interruptus with these women.
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| They had to consult with their holy prophet again; before practicing coitus interreptus; not for any moral reasons..... <<<and you brought the hadith which the prophet prevented him from doing AZL.>>> |
So, what do you really want ? they did it or not ?? if you find this question very embarrassing you can omit it, i think you should omit this post at all.
you were weeping as you want any Muslim to meet your challenge, so do you feel good now?
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piscohot
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Why don't we stick to the subject of 'RAPE'?
How about answering my earlier question? |
Excellent porker !
We won't talk about Slavery any more, and stick to the subject of 'RAPE'.
But i infrom you that your question was answered, if you don't like my answer, then tell me why , so that i can help you. but to claim that i didn't answer, that's |
namecalling by braindeads doesn't bother me.
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Is that a joke? YOu still havent answered the main question as to which woman in this world would love to have sex with a man who has killed her family?
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I gave you an example before, If this woman is a gangster's wife, she will never refuse the marriage with the officer. If she finds the life with Muslims is better, so what is the problem to life with them.especially, her tribe didn't do any thing to return her. you should know also that the muslims were this noble officer and never been this guilty |
Sahih Bukhari. Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
While he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence. [End of hadith]
What life with the muslims are you talking about witty_boy?
Raped and then sold for ransom or into slavery was the fate awaiting those women.
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Now that your 'she finds life with muslim is better' excuse had been shattered with the hadith that revealed there IS NO SUCH LIFE as you claimed, answer this: Would a woman willingly have sex with the killers of her father, husband, sons, brothers and uncles, knowing that after the sex, they would be sold into slavery or for ransom?
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| DRUNKEN American soldiers took turns to rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, a military tribunal has heard |
Should we feel badly for her that she became a spoils of war? Wouldn't she fall under koran surah 4:24 and become a right hand possession of these drunken American Soldiers? According to allah and mohammed, that is all she is, war booty and the laws of allah are very clear on what to do with the women captured that way (middle eastern girls mature much faster than other girls, ever...14, she's practically a matriarch according to islamic propaganda), they are simply following sharia law, to the letter. Please list this 14 year old's koranic rights as a slave won by opposing forces. (crikets chirp) ...according to American Military Tribunal, they committed a crime, they committed an awful crime. It seems like you are a hypocrite. You show a clear cut case of sharia law being enjoyed to it's finest, (you can't use sharia law to argue against it, but you can use sharia law to uphold it) but you still attempt to point out that it is an immoral act among the kafirs. Let's not forget, an act they are being charged criminally with, the exact same act your muslim warriers were paid with.
islam makes me sick, and this is just one example of how distorted mohemmians actually become following this sick doctrine. It's blessed by god when we do it, but criminal when you do. Yuck. witty_boy get a backbone, be a man and defend women, not some long dead, male wannabe you get a hard on over.
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Haik Monsieur
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You were the one who argued and oooh.. still argues there is no slavery. Of course there is no apparent slavery in your Islamic nations lest UN will kick your ass. Islam didn’t abolish slavery. Muhammad your prophet had slaves. And it continued until 1960s in Saudi Arabia where your man was born. It took intense international pressure to get it abolished in the birth place of Islam. But not completely. It remains in camouflage. This is Qanoon al-Kafeel you say nothing has to do with Islam? No my Muhammadan, it is the modern form of old Islamic slavery. Very much related to it.
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Can you understand ? just try. you can read a paragraph, read it again, and ask your self what do this writer want to say through these words, at this time you can understand.
Islam came while slavery was deeeeeep rooted in this society, Islam restricted it untill it became just in WARS in absence of Captives exchange. What happens in K.S.A 'Qanoon al-Kafeel ' isn't slavery. whatever what it is, i don't care. I concerned about what the religion of Islam says. |
You know witty_boy, I had to clear my inbox twice within a couple of days because of the flood of messages. All contain the same: not to spend my time to you. Still, I do for the sake of other readers, (We had more than 140 viewers quite a few hours apart).
You stay in Egypt and you don’t know what it means sponsorship laws of Gulf States. So be mute, if you want to be scholarly. I am living in this part and I know what the laws means.
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I can't find any one here could do any thing about this point; Rape in Islam.
Any body can prove that RAPE is permitted by Islam ?? |
I won’t answer at all for these kind of trifles. Many of my friends alerted me not to relegate myself into a Muslim level and they were mentioning my discussion to you. So, if you are capable of a scholarly debate, come on refute my article in which I proved Quran sanctions rape.
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Khalil made "Right Hand possess" = slave women. However the Prophet (PBUH) says :
(Bukhari, 46 , 720) Narrated Abu Musa:
Allah's Apostle said, "He who has a slave-girl and educates and treats her nicely andthen manumits and marries her, will get a double reward." |
So what? Right hand possessions in Islam means slave women. Whether one sells or manumits her is not the issue here. As long as she is his right hand possession, she is slave.
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| So this man didn't do sex with her, but he can manumit and marry her. |
Where in the hadith it says the man did not do sex with her? And what if I show you another hadith? See it here:
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: A man said: Apostle of Allah, I have a slave-girl and I withdraw the penis from her (while having intercourse), and I dislike that she becomes pregnant. I intend (by intercourse) what the men intend by it. The Jews say that withdrawing the penis (azl) is burying the living girls on a small scale. He (the Prophet) said: The Jews told a lie. If Allah intends to create it, you cannot turn it away. [Sunan Abu Dawud. Book:11, Hadith:2166]
There isn’t any war involved in here for you to come with anomalous argument anything can be done with war captives. Abu Said Al-Khudri asks Muhammad about withdrawing his penis from his slave-girl, not from his wife. So, slaves were exploited to sex. You can not deny it.
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| therefor, Khalil is talking about Saryya or Right Hands possess not any captive woman. so from the beginning, Quran didn't allow sex with any captive women but those who will be right hands possess. the two words are completely different. |
What are you talking about? Did you read my article? In it; It is clearly stated raping captive women in front of their husbands who are alive is sanctioned by Muhammad and Allah. I brought Sahih hadiths to make the case. Simply saying Quran didn’t allow sex with captive women will not work here. I have made a case and if you can, refute it and no more hocus pocus at all. I am trying to be as scholarly as I can so, do one thing. The case I made from Quran is clear. If you want to refute it, you must quote my article in parts and refute them. You are yet to do it.
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| You are deceiful and lair. Allah allowed Muslims to take them as right hand possess, do you know what that means ? Read the following part from my thread to know that you are LAIR : |
Okay for the purpose, I don’t retort to the insults in the same coin here. But I read your claptrap in full. Next time don’t bring this, but tell me what does it mean right hand possession in Islam? I don’t need your words but you should bring it from Quran and your Sahih sources. Right hand possession in Islam means slaves. And these slave can be used for sex. I proved it above.
So I chop your copy paste. They are irrelevant until you prove a right hand possession in Islam doesn’t mean female slaves. Keep this in mind.
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| Do think that Allah allowed muslims to rape them ? Do you know what rape means |
You mean war captives? Or Slaves? Whoever they may be Allah allowed Muslims to rape war captives even when their husbands are alive. It is what Sunan Abu Dawud hadith says, and it is the context of Quranic verse 4:24.
I know what rape is. No lengthy definition is necessary for it. Forced sex is what we call rape. Do you have a different rape?
Your post is utter chaos witty_boy. I had to chop a good part of it for being superfluous. It is like a kid’s drawing board. Next time try to present your case in a scholarly manner. If you can’t be one, bring someone else. You did it in the past so, I don't think it would be difficult for you to find someone who can present much better than you.
You quoted some news clips and proved Americans raped red Indians… There were Jewish rapes… Sorry man.., I am not at all interested what Uncle Sam or Israel does. As far as I am concerned, this topic is about rape in Islam. You can’t annul the notion of rape in Islam by pointing to the atrocious past of Americans. Stop this tu quoque business. In a logical debate it is called logical fallacy.
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Consequently these holy warriors practiced Azl = coitus interruptus with these women.
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| They had to consult with their holy prophet again; before practicing coitus interreptus; not for any moral reasons..... <<<and you brought the hadith which the prophet prevented him from doing AZL.>>> |
I brought the hadith and it is clear for all whose sense is intact. Your noblest of all Muslims consulted on AZL, with your prophet. And what your prophet told them? He said, “It is better for you not to practice AZL.
Now, let me ask you what does it mean AZL in Arabic? I know Arabic and you can’t fool me out. AZL means withdrawing penis from female vagina just prior to ejaculation. This method is adopted by some people to avoid pregnancy. Just keep this in mind.
All right. Your holy warriors consulted Muhammad of AZL. He said “You may better not to do AZL (withdraw your penis from the vagina before you ejaculate, because if any soul has to be born it will be born”)
So, what is earthquaking importance in this? Muhammad was signalling them to carry on without spoiling the fun of raping.
If any of my friends consults me of this AZL, I too will tell him, you may not do it because it doesn’t prevent pregnancy.Does that mean I tell him not engage in sexual activities at all?
Anything worthwhile in the form of refutation?
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So, what do you really want ? they did it or not ?? if you find this question very embarrassing you can omit it, i think you should omit this post at all.
you were weeping as you want any Muslim to meet your challenge, so do you feel good now? |
Sorry man, I have changed my attitude upon numerous request from my friends. So, I am not going to answer to this trifles. If you have anything worthwhile to say, come on. Otherwise..read below:
This is a warning too: If you continue in this mode, spoiling our page with oversized letters, multiple colours and after all bringing such childish repartees, I can inform moderators and your business with us will end forever. We don’t need a troll in FFI. If you can discuss matters in a scholarly level, you may. Otherwise using oversized, coloured letters will bring you an untimely demise, because you are closing to being a troll.
Be careful witty_boy. Address this post in a scholarly manner. Your impostor had done it prior to retiring, but you can find some other one in case to help you. But take this from me, walloping you for trolling and denying you access to FFI doesn’t take a blink for us.
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That's a laughing matter to you? 
Yes, people still enslave other people. In case you didn't notice that is ILLEGAL in civilized countries! Those people are commiting crimes. They enslave children in their home countries and smuggle them into the UK. FYI, that is also illegal. So, apart from this article being a tu quque (as if that would make slavery allowed by allah (the allknowing  , and allpowerful god of yours) any better), it's alsow wrong, since this is done illegally, whereas in Islam slavery is legal.
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Do you understand the difference between legal and illegal, kid? As it sure doesn't seem so.
Also note, that they speak of West Africa in the article, guess what religion is prevalent in a lot of those states? 
P.S. Writing in big red font doesn't make your arguments right.
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Hello witty_boy
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Any body can prove that RAPE is permitted by Islam ??
You are playing with words. Just so that we are on the same level, let us have your definition of rape.
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Good idea. I think he believes that if a man forcefully marries a woman without her permission, and then if he has sex with her, it's not rape because he married her, even though he forced her to marry him without her permission or approval or consent.
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I gave you an example before, If this woman is a gangster's wife, she will never refuse the marriage with the officer. If she finds the life with Muslims is better, so what is the problem to life with them.especially, her tribe didn't do any thing to return her. you should know also that the muslims were this noble officer and never been this guilty,for example you can see what the prophet said to the jews of
Madina :
Ibn Kathir wrote:
The Jews of the various branches and all others doiciled in Medina shall form with the Muslims one
composite nation; they shall practice their religion as freely as the Muslims. The allies of the Jews shall
enjoy the same security and freedom. The guilty shall be pursued and punished. The Jews shall join the
Muslims in defending Medina all enemies. The interior of Medina shall be a sacred place for all who accept this charter. All true Muslims shall hold in abhorrence every man guilty of crime, injustice or
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BULL sh!t!!!! you are talking nonsense. Can you prove that every single woman's husband was a dacoit and every single woman wanted to get rid of her husband? I am sad that i have to tell you such petty things. If what you said was true then no criminal in this world would have got wives. Further you are accusing others of being criminals when in reality it was your own prophet who was a dacoit. Let us leave
that topic for some other time to discuss. The quote from Ibn Kathir doesn talk anything about slavery . So do not bring unecessary quotes here.
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Husbands?? do you talk about their husbands?? what did make these men bring their wives to the battleground, these families could live in peace in their tribes (the tribes of Hawazin and Thakif ) what did
make them come to Hunain? for a walk? I think you don't know any thing. They could be husbands in their homes with their families,instead of leaving her homes to Hunain. But now these fighters and their wives became captives, and these women will be distributed among the muslims houses after they were purified (of menses or delivery) as you can see in the hadiths
::" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).[End of hadith]
That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."
This is the end which they deserve.
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Again BULL sh!t IS BETTER than your arguments. SO what if the husbands brought their women with them? How does that allow you to have sex with them and also how does that mean women reluctantly
came to the battlefields? To prove your case you need to prove that women were forced to come to the battlefield and they hated their husbands and thirdly they were wanting to become a property of muslims. If you cant simply shut up and do not bring arguments full of sh!t .
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Can you See slavery in the Islamic society now ??!! of course not, because our wars are over. and even if a war will break out, i think there will be captives exchange. So you have the right to open you mouth just if islam permits slavery in peace and war and forbids the captives exchange. otherwise, Keeeeep silent.
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Piscohot has pointed out that slavery can be seen in islamic countries however i am not interested in what you guys do.The debate is about what quran tells and not what muslims do today in case of slavery. Islam
sanctions slavery and hence quran needs to be thrown away .Just in case you are not aware let us see what GENEVA CONVENTION has to say about slavery.
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To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) Taking of hostages;
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
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Taking hostages is considered against human rights ANY TIME. Your bull sh!t quran sanctions slavery which means its against the human rights that we have today. Now dont come with useless arguments like you cant compare norms of past with the present. If your book cannot satisfy the requirement of time today then cannot be for entire humanity and hence it needs to be thrown into a dustbin.Now you may say that islam allows freeing the slaves. It could be allowing but it also allows you take them as slaves and that is where my opposition is.
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So, if this slave was free and believed in his freedom , why did you fight against us? i think if american soldier said I believe in my freedom, he will be crazy because he allowed himself to despoil the freedom of others.
If this slave wasn't a captive in war, Islam helped him to be free, by this way you can't find any slaves now
in the islamic society. Islam never allowed any one to make another be slave, or despoil his freedom. This is situation in both war and peace.
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Did women and children of Banu Quraiza fight with you? Forget women and the children their men also didnt fight with your filthy prophet. Why were they still sold into slavery? Islam gives you the permission to have
hostages and have sex with them so how can you say that islam never allowed you to make someone as slave? If islam never allowed slavery then we have an internal contradiction here. The verses 70:29-30 ,23:5-6 indicate that you can have sex slaves but according to you islam doesnt .
Please tell why did the Pakistani soldiers rape Bangladeshi
women? Who told them that you can have sex with the prisoners of war?? Isnt it your own SO CALLED DIVINE BOOK THAT TELLS THAT ITS OK TO HAVE SEX WITH PRISONERS OF WAR???How were they wrong when they raped them as per quran(bring quranic quotes to prove that what they did was wrong)? ITS YOUR OWN BOOK THAT SANCTIONS RAPE!!!!
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