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IND:About intelligence, are you positive that intelligence due to size/weight ratio came about in last few hundread thousand years? Are you also positive that without such condition intelligence is not possible? Because if that is true the news for you is that reproductive organs which we were talking about came before the big brains. So who had higher size/weight ratio then? Who gave shape to so much intelligence before?
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Yes bigger the brain organism is lot more intelligent. Very small brain reptiles have no intelligence , just survive by reflexes and instinct. They di fine for millions of years.
You are asking more question . no answers.
I was talking about human evolution. Yes humanoids , australopithecus and Lucy had smaller brains. Later homosapiens had larger brains. Other branches of humanoids did not survive only homosapiens ruled the planet since last 25000 years.
I did not say that humanoids, primates and even monkeys who were on this planet since Miocene ( 20 million yaers ago) were not intelligent. They were less intelligent.None of the other species on planet was contemplative and had conceousness of action, preplanning like humans.
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IandonlyI
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IND:About intelligence, are you positive that intelligence due to size/weight ratio came about in last few hundread thousand years? Are you also positive that without such condition intelligence is not possible? Because if that is true the news for you is that reproductive organs which we were talking about came before the big brains. So who had higher size/weight ratio then? Who gave shape to so much intelligence before?
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Yes bigger the brain organism is lot more intelligent. Very small brain reptiles have no intelligence , just survive by reflexes and instinct. They di fine for millions of years.
You are asking more question . no answers.
I was talking about human evolution. Yes humanoids , australopithecus and Lucy had smaller brains. Later homosapiens had larger brains. Other branches of humanoids did not survive only homosapiens ruled the planet since last 25000 years.
I did not say that humanoids, primates and even monkeys who were on this planet since Miocene ( 20 million yaers ago) were not intelligent. They were less intelligent.None of the other species on planet was contemplative and had conceousness of action, preplanning like humans.
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I dont know why you keep quoting evolution that cant answer the central question which I am in quest of and you have not been able to answer. Where did the intelligence come from? I do not understand a lots of things about evolution and I agree that physical changes are possible but I do not agree and dont see how intelligence is possible without an input of intelligence itself.
If you want to just tell me without any proof, which science demands, that things got created by accident on their own and whatever worked survivied and whatever diddnt died. It is fine if you want to tell me that but then I am also telling you that "God created everything" and to my mind both, your statement and mine, seem equally ridiculous.
Come on science guys, if you want the world to believe in evolution than you can bring better proof than that. Stop teaching the world to believe in fairytales and if you do than quit having problems with believers of God.
Sorry CC, Darwin's theory of selection makes perfect sense but the theory of origins of life makes no sense whatsoever. You see I would give it benefit of doubt but it doesnt' otheriwse I would let you off hook on proofs but since it doesnt you have to provide proof. INTELLIGENCE CAN NOT TAKE BIRTH ON ITS OWN, PERIOD, and I am not going to give up. Keep it up but you know this is not going to end. You have no proof and you are just dancing around the topic but can not even touch the central question and you will never be able to touch in your lifetime and I will not let you lose my focus from central point of this debate.
If you want to end, I am going to post my summary below.
All,
We are ofcourse very intelligent but untill we have answers to all the questions and problems that can arise in our mind belief in the unknown superpower is very important. Relieving the problems itself, even if on the non-existant, on the God is the solution of problem itself. Maybe God does not exist and maybe God does but that belief itself solves the problem of mind atleast. Maybe God cant take care of Hitler but it solves the problems of life. So that belief is atleast that important. Maybe it is just power of mind that solves the problem by offloading it to someone to take care of problems, but it works and my own self is the witness of it.
There is no answer to many problems that mind faces, science cant solve it. Science is great and I wish all the scientists all the luck to solve the problems but the belief should not be abandoned untill science can. The day you take away belief from humans they will become animals.
I am not anti-science for any field of science, even evolution, if that clears allt he records on this forum. But biggest problem I have with science is that science, for example, is all about chemicals if you take about human brain. It is no big deal to figure out eh chemicals and which chemical will cure what just by observing. But science makes a huge mistake by ignoring the emotional and thinker and philosophical part of mind.
You see they say that happness and success has 90% to do with emotional intelligence and 10% with intelligence. Science keeps focusing on the 10% part while ignoring the larger one. Religion on the other hand deals with the 90% part and that is very important if you ever really think about it. You see it is very hard for any mind to digest the below that scince would like to tell it.
Mr. XYZ talking to himself, "Hey XYZ you took birth because your parents had sex one find day and nothing else. It is not like there is some purpose of you really. If you decide to kill yourself its coold if you do something in life it is your choice. If you are a failure after working all your life and nothing really came out of it than you are just a loser and there isnt anything really to look forward to"
YOu see the mind of this Mr. XYZ would be very miserable and he might kill himself or worst few other people. Yes science has medicine for depression but if you have heard on news people with issues dont really seek help and it is ALWAYS too late when it is caught. It is usually shooting in a mall or school or in som epublic places. And scince does not have answer for that. Science cant even detect it.
A true science is the one that will bring emotional happiness and religion is that medicine for these problems and a simple proof of that is western world is declining in religious beliefs and we see on news what is happening. I still dont understand how a 16 years old kid kills 75 years old woman for 50 cents. But that man has nothing but unhappy mind and science cant detect it beforehand and cant cure it. And BTW, what we hear on news is just the extreme cases I bet we have more and more unhappy and sad people outthere.
So, there is no replacement of religion and belief yet and untill we do we need to stop attacking beliefs as belief is for mind and just like thoughts dont really exist in physical realm God probably doesn't either but it works. Maybe chemicals in the mind of atlhiests are fine so he/she doesnt need to believe in God but not everyone is same, some people might have chemical problems in their brains and so they need to believe to be sane. WOuld you rather see that man shoot some innocent people and his problems never get caught untill it is too late or would you just let him believe in that non-existant god and be sane?
SO all my dear brothers and sisters science is great and I have lots of respect for scientists and I keep track of and read all new discoveries but in my opinion there is no replacement for belief yet and so it should be left alone. All in all science can not answer the question, "Who am I" and untill it does it is just useless while religion on the other hand has answer to it, maybe that answer cant be proven in lab, but it does and it works for most people.
And lastly, I hope science does not rule out the power of hope, blessings, good wishes, faith etc. What answers does science have for them? There are plenty of proofs that these powers do exist and it does bring positive results.
CC if you want to continue with this I am here. If you admit the issue of intelligence in science than we can just stop and maybe scientists can someday figure it out.
Truely Yours,
IandonlyI
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Because belief does not require logic or reasoning, it requires faith. While Science requires proof. Belief does not ask for proof but science does. Is it hurting you all because your science cant stand up to its own standards?
Science and belief are two different things. And mind you, in my book even athiesm is welcome but I am just speaking out because you athiests are too intolerant and radicals.
In either case, science is all good and welcome but if you are going to be intolerant and radicals in your athiest/scientific belief then I hold you to your own standareds. Which is provide proof of everything you are saying. Since you believe in science and science requires proof, provide proof damn it. No religion asks for proof but it asks for faith and believers have faith. Simple.
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Dear IandonlyI,
My post was not really addressed to you, I was expressing solidarity to crazy canuck who deserves a medal for his patience and constancy.
You are very welcome to go on believing in Jinns, flying horses and Sky Gods.
People used to "believe" that the earth was flat, God made the sun rise, caused rain, lightning and thunder.
It is thanks to science that we now know the truth.
Intelligence is consistent with evolution because it gives obvious survival advantages.
Greater intelligence allows more effective foraging, especially for learning and remembering where and when fruits ripen (Kaplan et al. 2000).
Greater intelligence allows more effective tool invention and use.
Greater intelligence allows more successful functioning in the complex social groups that primates form.
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IandonlyI
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Because belief does not require logic or reasoning, it requires faith. While Science requires proof. Belief does not ask for proof but science does. Is it hurting you all because your science cant stand up to its own standards?
Science and belief are two different things. And mind you, in my book even athiesm is welcome but I am just speaking out because you athiests are too intolerant and radicals.
In either case, science is all good and welcome but if you are going to be intolerant and radicals in your athiest/scientific belief then I hold you to your own standareds. Which is provide proof of everything you are saying. Since you believe in science and science requires proof, provide proof damn it. No religion asks for proof but it asks for faith and believers have faith. Simple.
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Dear IandonlyI,
My post was not really addressed to you, I was expressing solidarity to crazy canuck who deserves a medal for his patience and constancy.
You are very welcome to go on believing in Jinns, flying horses and Sky Gods.
People used to "believe" that the earth was flat, God made the sun rise, caused rain, lightning and thunder.
It is thanks to science that we now know the truth.
Intelligence is consistent with evolution because it gives obvious survival advantages.
Greater intelligence allows more effective foraging, especially for learning and remembering where and when fruits ripen (Kaplan et al. 2000).
Greater intelligence allows more effective tool invention and use.
Greater intelligence allows more successful functioning in the complex social groups that primates form. |
Very well Popeye. I have not advocated closing doors on science but you dont want to look at the foolishness of science, atleast the evolutionary part. It is as bad as believing in flying horses and Jinns. It is OK though it seems we all have this box we live in and are too insistent in believing that our box is the entire world. Atlest my box has some room for both belief and science.
You want world to believe that thinigs got created on their own and so intelligent that it brings awes and whatever did not fit with nature died while at same time you have problem with people who believe in God? Damn it, human brain even today is the most complicated device in the known universe and it created on its own? I guess it is time to come out of that box. Things got created on their own, LOL, heck of a chances that are while there is no chance that there could be God right? You guys crack me up.
Read my last post to CC.
God bless.
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crazy canuck
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IND:About intelligence, are you positive that intelligence due to size/weight ratio came about in last few hundread thousand years? Are you also positive that without such condition intelligence is not possible? Because if that is true the news for you is that reproductive organs which we were talking about came before the big brains. So who had higher size/weight ratio then? Who gave shape to so much intelligence before?
Your turn. |
Yes bigger the brain organism is lot more intelligent. Very small brain reptiles have no intelligence , just survive by reflexes and instinct. They di fine for millions of years.
You are asking more question . no answers.
I was talking about human evolution. Yes humanoids , australopithecus and Lucy had smaller brains. Later homosapiens had larger brains. Other branches of humanoids did not survive only homosapiens ruled the planet since last 25000 years.
I did not say that humanoids, primates and even monkeys who were on this planet since Miocene ( 20 million yaers ago) were not intelligent. They were less intelligent.None of the other species on planet was contemplative and had conceousness of action, preplanning like humans.
C.C. |
I dont know why you keep quoting evolution that cant answer the central question which I am in quest of and you have not been able to answer. Where did the intelligence come from? I do not understand a lots of things about evolution and I agree that physical changes are possible but I do not agree and dont see how intelligence is possible without an input of intelligence itself.
If you want to just tell me without any proof, which science demands, that things got created by accident on their own and whatever worked survivied and whatever diddnt died. It is fine if you want to tell me that but then I am also telling you that "God created everything" and to my mind both, your statement and mine, seem equally ridiculous.
Come on science guys, if you want the world to believe in evolution than you can bring better proof than that. Stop teaching the world to believe in fairytales and if you do than quit having problems with believers of God.
Sorry CC, Darwin's theory of selection makes perfect sense but the theory of origins of life makes no sense whatsoever. You see I would give it benefit of doubt but it doesnt' otheriwse I would let you off hook on proofs but since it doesnt you have to provide proof. INTELLIGENCE CAN NOT TAKE BIRTH ON ITS OWN, PERIOD, and I am not going to give up. Keep it up but you know this is not going to end. You have no proof and you are just dancing around the topic but can not even touch the central question and you will never be able to touch in your lifetime and I will not let you lose my focus from central point of this debate.
Dear Indonyl,
Why I bring up evolution all the time,?because you bring up reproduction mecahnism and explanation for intelligence almost all the time.. My point is higher intelligence is product of evolution and natural selection.
Intelligent was not born but it gradually incresed in genus Primates. In line of homosapiens it surpassed everyone.
Glad to know that you think natural selection makes perfect sense. Many still thinks that its not perfect theory but explains lots of phenomena in nature from fossil records to bacterial mutations.I am one of those. We dont have airtight proof for natural selection either. Just evidence, logic and circumstance. If you go back in time and apply natural selection, you have to ask how life originated. Given that life came to earth on space ship, first natural selection must have taken place beween numerous species of bacteria( anerobic) trying to survive environment with just organic soup without oxygen.
Origin of Life is altogather different theory. In short gases, liquids and energy in the soup created very primitive life. Life without any intelligence , just unicellular organisms called procaryotes like bacteria and fungus. C.C.
If you want to end, I am going to post my summary below.
All,
We are ofcourse very intelligent but untill we have answers to all the questions and problems that can arise in our mind belief in the unknown superpower is very important. Relieving the problems itself, even if on the non-existant, on the God is the solution of problem itself. Maybe God does not exist and maybe God does but that belief itself solves the problem of mind atleast. Maybe God cant take care of Hitler but it solves the problems of life. So that belief is atleast that important. Maybe it is just power of mind that solves the problem by offloading it to someone to take care of problems, but it works and my own self is the witness of it.
There is no answer to many problems that mind faces, science cant solve it. Science is great and I wish all the scientists all the luck to solve the problems but the belief should not be abandoned untill science can. The day you take away belief from humans they will become animals.
I am not anti-science for any field of science, even evolution, if that clears allt he records on this forum. But biggest problem I have with science is that science, for example, is all about chemicals if you take about human brain. It is no big deal to figure out eh chemicals and which chemical will cure what just by observing. But science makes a huge mistake by ignoring the emotional and thinker and philosophical part of mind.
You see they say that happness and success has 90% to do with emotional intelligence and 10% with intelligence. Science keeps focusing on the 10% part while ignoring the larger one. Religion on the other hand deals with the 90% part and that is very important if you ever really think about it. You see it is very hard for any mind to digest the below that scince would like to tell it.
Mr. XYZ talking to himself, "Hey XYZ you took birth because your parents had sex one find day and nothing else. It is not like there is some purpose of you really. If you decide to kill yourself its coold if you do something in life it is your choice. If you are a failure after working all your life and nothing really came out of it than you are just a loser and there isnt anything really to look forward to"
YOu see the mind of this Mr. XYZ would be very miserable and he might kill himself or worst few other people. Yes science has medicine for depression but if you have heard on news people with issues dont really seek help and it is ALWAYS too late when it is caught. It is usually shooting in a mall or school or in som epublic places. And scince does not have answer for that. Science cant even detect it.
A true science is the one that will bring emotional happiness and religion is that medicine for these problems and a simple proof of that is western world is declining in religious beliefs and we see on news what is happening. I still dont understand how a 16 years old kid kills 75 years old woman for 50 cents. But that man has nothing but unhappy mind and science cant detect it beforehand and cant cure it. And BTW, what we hear on news is just the extreme cases I bet we have more and more unhappy and sad people outthere.
So, there is no replacement of religion and belief yet and untill we do we need to stop attacking beliefs as belief is for mind and just like thoughts dont really exist in physical realm God probably doesn't either but it works. Maybe chemicals in the mind of atlhiests are fine so he/she doesnt need to believe in God but not everyone is same, some people might have chemical problems in their brains and so they need to believe to be sane. WOuld you rather see that man shoot some innocent people and his problems never get caught untill it is too late or would you just let him believe in that non-existant god and be sane?
SO all my dear brothers and sisters science is great and I have lots of respect for scientists and I keep track of and read all new discoveries but in my opinion there is no replacement for belief yet and so it should be left alone. All in all science can not answer the question, "Who am I" and untill it does it is just useless while religion on the other hand has answer to it, maybe that answer cant be proven in lab, but it does and it works for most people.
And lastly, I hope science does not rule out the power of hope, blessings, good wishes, faith etc. What answers does science have for them? There are plenty of proofs that these powers do exist and it does bring positive results.
CC if you want to continue with this I am here. If you admit the issue of intelligence in science than we can just stop and maybe scientists can someday figure it out.
Truely Yours,
IandonlyI |
Glad to know that you are prepared to live with some dichotomy between science and metaphysics.I also agree that science does not have all the answers but maKES lots of sense while explainining lots of things.
End of discussion. C.C. |
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IandonlyI
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IND:About intelligence, are you positive that intelligence due to size/weight ratio came about in last few hundread thousand years? Are you also positive that without such condition intelligence is not possible? Because if that is true the news for you is that reproductive organs which we were talking about came before the big brains. So who had higher size/weight ratio then? Who gave shape to so much intelligence before?
Your turn. |
Yes bigger the brain organism is lot more intelligent. Very small brain reptiles have no intelligence , just survive by reflexes and instinct. They di fine for millions of years.
You are asking more question . no answers.
I was talking about human evolution. Yes humanoids , australopithecus and Lucy had smaller brains. Later homosapiens had larger brains. Other branches of humanoids did not survive only homosapiens ruled the planet since last 25000 years.
I did not say that humanoids, primates and even monkeys who were on this planet since Miocene ( 20 million yaers ago) were not intelligent. They were less intelligent.None of the other species on planet was contemplative and had conceousness of action, preplanning like humans.
C.C. |
I dont know why you keep quoting evolution that cant answer the central question which I am in quest of and you have not been able to answer. Where did the intelligence come from? I do not understand a lots of things about evolution and I agree that physical changes are possible but I do not agree and dont see how intelligence is possible without an input of intelligence itself.
If you want to just tell me without any proof, which science demands, that things got created by accident on their own and whatever worked survivied and whatever diddnt died. It is fine if you want to tell me that but then I am also telling you that "God created everything" and to my mind both, your statement and mine, seem equally ridiculous.
Come on science guys, if you want the world to believe in evolution than you can bring better proof than that. Stop teaching the world to believe in fairytales and if you do than quit having problems with believers of God.
Sorry CC, Darwin's theory of selection makes perfect sense but the theory of origins of life makes no sense whatsoever. You see I would give it benefit of doubt but it doesnt' otheriwse I would let you off hook on proofs but since it doesnt you have to provide proof. INTELLIGENCE CAN NOT TAKE BIRTH ON ITS OWN, PERIOD, and I am not going to give up. Keep it up but you know this is not going to end. You have no proof and you are just dancing around the topic but can not even touch the central question and you will never be able to touch in your lifetime and I will not let you lose my focus from central point of this debate.
Dear Indonyl,
Why I bring up evolution all the time,?because you bring up reproduction mecahnism and explanation for intelligence almost all the time.. My point is higher intelligence is product of evolution and natural selection.
Intelligent was not born but it gradually incresed in genus Primates. In line of homosapiens it surpassed everyone.
Glad to know that you think natural selection makes perfect sense. Many still thinks that its not perfect theory but explains lots of phenomena in nature from fossil records to bacterial mutations.I am one of those. We dont have airtight proof for natural selection either. Just evidence, logic and circumstance. If you go back in time and apply natural selection, you have to ask how life originated. Given that life came to earth on space ship, first natural selection must have taken place beween numerous species of bacteria( anerobic) trying to survive environment with just organic soup without oxygen.
Origin of Life is altogather different theory. In short gases, liquids and energy in the soup created very primitive life. Life without any intelligence , just unicellular organisms called procaryotes like bacteria and fungus. C.C.
If you want to end, I am going to post my summary below.
All,
We are ofcourse very intelligent but untill we have answers to all the questions and problems that can arise in our mind belief in the unknown superpower is very important. Relieving the problems itself, even if on the non-existant, on the God is the solution of problem itself. Maybe God does not exist and maybe God does but that belief itself solves the problem of mind atleast. Maybe God cant take care of Hitler but it solves the problems of life. So that belief is atleast that important. Maybe it is just power of mind that solves the problem by offloading it to someone to take care of problems, but it works and my own self is the witness of it.
There is no answer to many problems that mind faces, science cant solve it. Science is great and I wish all the scientists all the luck to solve the problems but the belief should not be abandoned untill science can. The day you take away belief from humans they will become animals.
I am not anti-science for any field of science, even evolution, if that clears allt he records on this forum. But biggest problem I have with science is that science, for example, is all about chemicals if you take about human brain. It is no big deal to figure out eh chemicals and which chemical will cure what just by observing. But science makes a huge mistake by ignoring the emotional and thinker and philosophical part of mind.
You see they say that happness and success has 90% to do with emotional intelligence and 10% with intelligence. Science keeps focusing on the 10% part while ignoring the larger one. Religion on the other hand deals with the 90% part and that is very important if you ever really think about it. You see it is very hard for any mind to digest the below that scince would like to tell it.
Mr. XYZ talking to himself, "Hey XYZ you took birth because your parents had sex one find day and nothing else. It is not like there is some purpose of you really. If you decide to kill yourself its coold if you do something in life it is your choice. If you are a failure after working all your life and nothing really came out of it than you are just a loser and there isnt anything really to look forward to"
YOu see the mind of this Mr. XYZ would be very miserable and he might kill himself or worst few other people. Yes science has medicine for depression but if you have heard on news people with issues dont really seek help and it is ALWAYS too late when it is caught. It is usually shooting in a mall or school or in som epublic places. And scince does not have answer for that. Science cant even detect it.
A true science is the one that will bring emotional happiness and religion is that medicine for these problems and a simple proof of that is western world is declining in religious beliefs and we see on news what is happening. I still dont understand how a 16 years old kid kills 75 years old woman for 50 cents. But that man has nothing but unhappy mind and science cant detect it beforehand and cant cure it. And BTW, what we hear on news is just the extreme cases I bet we have more and more unhappy and sad people outthere.
So, there is no replacement of religion and belief yet and untill we do we need to stop attacking beliefs as belief is for mind and just like thoughts dont really exist in physical realm God probably doesn't either but it works. Maybe chemicals in the mind of atlhiests are fine so he/she doesnt need to believe in God but not everyone is same, some people might have chemical problems in their brains and so they need to believe to be sane. WOuld you rather see that man shoot some innocent people and his problems never get caught untill it is too late or would you just let him believe in that non-existant god and be sane?
SO all my dear brothers and sisters science is great and I have lots of respect for scientists and I keep track of and read all new discoveries but in my opinion there is no replacement for belief yet and so it should be left alone. All in all science can not answer the question, "Who am I" and untill it does it is just useless while religion on the other hand has answer to it, maybe that answer cant be proven in lab, but it does and it works for most people.
And lastly, I hope science does not rule out the power of hope, blessings, good wishes, faith etc. What answers does science have for them? There are plenty of proofs that these powers do exist and it does bring positive results.
CC if you want to continue with this I am here. If you admit the issue of intelligence in science than we can just stop and maybe scientists can someday figure it out.
Truely Yours,
IandonlyI |
Glad to know that you are prepared to live with some dichotomy between science and metaphysics.I also agree that science does not have all the answers but maKES lots of sense while explainining lots of things.
End of discussion. C.C. |
Cool man, yes I have always be supporter of both, this thread only started because athiests want to straight out tell the world that THEY ARE WRONG and I hate that and these so called athiests are the citizens of democratic world. It is very simple, if you are happy with what you believe in great but dont force it on others. What is difference between a athiest and belivers if the intolerance is in same levels. Maybe the 3rd world war will be between believers and athiests and in which case athiesm brought nothing positive to the world.
And BTW, you were good. I think this is your feild of work as well, if I am not wrong.
Actually you could be right or wrong about intelligence into animals and how natural selection and evolution could've made some animals more intelligent but it does not explain the intelligence in universe which predated the intelligence in animals. That is what I meant that where did it come from.
Anyway, it was a good discussion.
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You want world to believe that things got created on their own and so intelligent that it brings awes and whatever did not fit with nature died while at same time you have problem with people who believe in God? Damn it, human brain even today is the most complicated device in the known universe and it created on its own? I guess it is time to come out of that box. Things got created on their own, LOL, heck of a chances that are while there is no chance that there could be God right? You guys crack me up.
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Dear IandonlyI,
I never said that things "got created on their own", they have evolved through natural selection to become what they are.
Evolution is still going on.
What happened to the dinosaurs will probably happen to humans.
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"This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it?
In fact it fits me staggeringly well, it must have been made to have me in it!''
This is such a powerful idea that our vanity rarely examines any other possibility.
But as the sun rises in the sky the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything is going to be all right, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. |
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