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Mersk
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| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
| And, you're still wrong. The dream came before any notion of political reconciliation, not after it. . |
 so what kind of political reconsiliation u mean ? huh ?...
Aisya was all about her father ... her father was very importhant man for Muhammad saw. some time it wasnt about nation but clan.
Muhammad made new union out of clan system which called UMMAH. reconsiliation was not only after heejra but before it in mecca. |
So Islam is about politics and HAM used Allah using Aishah for his political cause? Which is which?
Who is this Allah of Islam? Is he a Kingmaker or is he a Spritual Almighty?? This reads like something straight from Greek Tragedy!!
A case of killing two birds with one stone?
There are loads of people in history doing those of thing, proclaim Allah spoke to them to sleep with young beauties to rid them of some diseases etc.
But ISLAM as a religion must be the first to have a prophet pedophile lusting after a virgin six years old for a political cause. You agree as the Hadiths above has shown?!!
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
and what's wrong with that word ??
it's about nice honey moon and nice mariage ... jabir was a young boy and he need it. it was ideal condition that supported by prophet for Jabir.
it was all about Jabir not Muhammad himself. so that's why i called your conclusion as stupidity. |
Wrong with that word is obvious. If you don't get it; reboot your system.
Muhammad asked "Why doesn't his buddy have a "LIKING" for virgins. If Muhammad had to ask so, he must have a LIKING for virgins.
How do you like them apples?
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morningstar777
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The Prophet was a red-blooded male, and naturally, he loved women. And he treated his women like delicate flowers.
I think mr mansour is a bit jealous. Perhaps he is a virgin, not having felt the touch of a female? Or perhaps he is Amish. |
Muhammed was a great playboy because he treated 9 delicate flowers in one night
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Brendalee
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
| And, you're still wrong. The dream came before any notion of political reconciliation, not after it. . |
so what kind of political reconsiliation u mean ? huh ?...
Aisya was all about her father ... her father was very importhant man for Muhammad saw. some time it wasnt about nation but clan.
Muhammad made new union out of clan system which called UMMAH. reconsiliation was not only after heejra but before it in mecca. |
There seems to be a major flaw in your thinking. Even if you could make the case that it was politically necessary for Mohammad to marry the daughter of a man who was ALREADY a follower of Mohammad and HIS BEST ALLY, and even if you could ignore his earlier lusting after this little girl in a dream, you are then left to answer: So, WHY COULD HE NOT WAIT FOR HER TO BECOME MATURE? WHY did he have to have SEX with his little 9 year old wife?
Was the SEX to satisfy politics, or to satisfy the selfishly lustful Mohammad? |
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ABI FATHAN
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
If Muhammad had to ask so, he must have a LIKING for virgins. |
say what u mean ?
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
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If Muhammad had to ask so, he must have a LIKING for virgins. |
say what u mean ? |
Special liking for virgins means "Virgin Obsession"
Btw, do you want more hadiths to know Muhammad's magnificent virgin obsession? I can do it but right now, I am busy with work. If you need, just inform me and I wll bring them to you later.
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ABI FATHAN
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Brendalee wrote: |
| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
| And, you're still wrong. The dream came before any notion of political reconciliation, not after it. . |
so what kind of political reconsiliation u mean ? huh ?...
Aisya was all about her father ... her father was very importhant man for Muhammad saw. some time it wasnt about nation but clan.
Muhammad made new union out of clan system which called UMMAH. reconsiliation was not only after heejra but before it in mecca. |
There seems to be a major flaw in your thinking. Even if you could make the case that it was politically necessary for Mohammad to marry the daughter of a man who was ALREADY a follower of Mohammad and HIS BEST ALLY, |
read what Abu bakr done for Muhammad first then you u'll got my point.
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| WHY COULD HE NOT WAIT FOR HER TO BECOME MATURE? |
He did ... that's why Muhammad maried her twice
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ABI FATHAN
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
If Muhammad had to ask so, he must have a LIKING for virgins. |
say what u mean ? |
Special liking for virgins means "Virgin Obsession"
Btw, do you want more hadiths to know Muhammad's magnificent virgin obsession? I can do it but right now, I am busy with work. If you need, just inform me and I wll bring them to you later. |
many peoples around here have hadith collection in big number, but they have small brain to understand those hadith 
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Okay ABIFATHAN, Weren't you doubtful over Muhammad's obsession to virgins? See the hadith:
This is from Sahih Bukhari. See Muhammad's magnificent virgin obsession:
Narrated Aisha : I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Suppose you landed in a valley where there is a tree of which something has been eaten and then you found trees of which nothing has been eaten, of which tree would you let your camel graze?" He said, "I will let my camel graze of the one of which nothing has been eaten before." (The sub-narrator added: 'aisha meant that Allah's Apostle had not married a virgin besides herself .) [Sahih Bukhari.Book:62 Hadith:14]
This is a Mutawatir hadith. There is one more like this in Sahih Bukhari. See what Muhammad preferred in this hadith. And read the hadith in which he asked his buddy "Why did not he have a liking for virgins"
You will get the picture clear then. Muhammad's virgin obsession..!
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
If Muhammad had to ask so, he must have a LIKING for virgins. |
say what u mean ? |
Special liking for virgins means "Virgin Obsession"
Btw, do you want more hadiths to know Muhammad's magnificent virgin obsession? I can do it but right now, I am busy with work. If you need, just inform me and I wll bring them to you later. |
many peoples around here have hadith collection in big number, but they have small brain to understand those hadith |
No ABIFATHAN, I know your tradition well because I lived a Muslim life quite a long time. Don't write off all and see the post above. Puhleeezzz 
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sum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Hello ABI FATHAN
Would you consider that it is acceptable to follow the example of Muhammad in all ways or is there anything that you would not want to follow?
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Brendalee
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Brendalee wrote: |
| ABI FATHAN wrote: |
| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
| And, you're still wrong. The dream came before any notion of political reconciliation, not after it. . |
so what kind of political reconsiliation u mean ? huh ?...
Aisya was all about her father ... her father was very importhant man for Muhammad saw. some time it wasnt about nation but clan.
Muhammad made new union out of clan system which called UMMAH. reconsiliation was not only after heejra but before it in mecca. |
There seems to be a major flaw in your thinking. Even if you could make the case that it was politically necessary for Mohammad to marry the daughter of a man who was ALREADY a follower of Mohammad and HIS BEST ALLY, |
read what Abu bakr done for Muhammad first then you u'll got my point. |
That is not an answer. That is an evasion. If you have a point, SAY what it is.
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| WHY COULD HE NOT WAIT FOR HER TO BECOME MATURE? |
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| He did ... that's why Muhammad maried her twice |
DID HE? Then why is there no ahadith about the divorce that must have taken place for him to marry her the second time? Why do you display your ignorance so openly? Is it perhaps that Mohammad CONTRACTED the marriage when she was SIX and then the ACTUAL(consumated) Marriage was when she was NINE? Perhaps he needed time to loot more to pay the mahr! Perhaps he did not get aroused by bald-headed little girls and wanted her hair to grow back after her illness! What is your hadith/Quranic source that he waited because he wanted to let her get "mature"? CITE YOUR SOURCE!!! Prove that she was "mature" at the age of 9 (Actually 8 and three quarters)! This is a CHILD, Abi!
And answer my question: Whatever fake political reason you invent for the marriage, what was the purpose of the SEX with Aisha when she was only nine years old?
Wasn't it just Mohammad's selfish filthy LUST that was satisfied by this? |
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ABI FATHAN
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Okay ABIFATHAN, Weren't you doubtful over Muhammad's obsession to virgins? See the hadith:
This is from Sahih Bukhari. See Muhammad's magnificent virgin obsession:
Narrated Aisha : I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Suppose you landed in a valley where there is a tree of which something has been eaten and then you found trees of which nothing has been eaten, of which tree would you let your camel graze?" He said, "I will let my camel graze of the one of which nothing has been eaten before." (The sub-narrator added: 'aisha meant that Allah's Apostle had not married a virgin besides herself .) [Sahih Bukhari.Book:62 Hadith:14]
This is a Mutawatir hadith. There is one more like this in Sahih Bukhari. See what Muhammad preferred in this hadith. And read the hadith in which he asked his buddy "Why did not he have a liking for virgins"
You will get the picture clear then. Muhammad's virgin obsession..! |
[poll] Would You Prefer to Marry a Virgin?
Question: Which would you marry?
The virgin 270 (61.1%)
The other one 172 (38.9%)
Total Votes: 442
i dont know how u think about OBSESSION ... choosing virgin as wife is general choice ... Muhammad just part of it.
i'm still in my statement that your conclusion is STUPIDITY
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ABI FATHAN
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| sum wrote: |
Hello ABI FATHAN
Would you consider that it is acceptable to follow the example of Muhammad in all ways or is there anything that you would not want to follow?sum |
sum i told you in many times that there is an exception for our prophet ...
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ABI FATHAN
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Brendalee wrote: |
| That is not an answer. That is an evasion. If you have a point, SAY what it is. |
Abu Bakar's clan was sub of Quraish However, his clan gave him little protection, he felt alone in community of ummah. Abu Bakr's relationship with Muhammad will more strongly with mariage of Muhammad and his daughter.
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| He did ... that's why Muhammad maried her twice |
Prove that she was "mature" at the age of 9 (Actually 8 and three quarters)! This is a CHILD, Abi! |
the number could be wrong ..! no validity in counting age that time ..
i proved it many time .. 
the only thing surely that Muhammad waited Aisya for ready in mariage
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