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Islamis_Allah_Tashit

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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Zorasta_Russ wrote:

Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote:

BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1

Ahmed Bahgat changes the subject of the debate when he is losing a debate. Even after shooting himself in the foot he claims victory.

Is he even worth debating?

Yeh, I am not worth debating, now I dare you that you ask me any question in the future

BagHat, I ask you tons of questions and you never answer any of them sufficiently. I don't mean some of them, I mean any of them. There's always some wrong, screwball twist that you attempt and you get caught every single time. Let's go through the list.

1) You can't explain the problem of meteors chasing things.

2) You can't explain the problem of the sky being decorated with stars and therefore containing the stars and the sky being separated from the earth and raised above it. How do you explain that? You don't. There's only one way this could be said, and that would be if the author thought the sky was solid and was like a canopy which is exactly what the Quran even comes out and tells us.

3) You can't explain why the Quran refers to "peices" of the sky.

4) You can't explain why God would err in making his past scriptures corruptible and then correct his error by finally figuring out how to create a incorruptible scripture.

5) You can't explain why God would need to trick people into believing in the crucifixion rather than simply stopping it. Who else had the power to "make it appear that way"? He didn't need to trick them to save Jesus, so why bother with the party tricks?

6) You can't explain why two former enemies,, Christians and Jews corrupted the older scriptures in a nearly identical fashion. Wow!!! Amazing!!! But if Mo says it, then it must be true, eh?

7) You can't explain why an all knowing being needs to test us. Why would an all knowing being need to test anything? And remember, it says nothing about the test being for our benefit. It says Allah tests us to see who is worthy, it does NOT say Allah allows us to test ourselves. Boy, THAT one was quite the blunder on Muhammad's part. He didn't have a very good philosophical mind.

You got spanked by Deuteronomy 17:15 in your dishonest attempt to use Deuteronomy 18:18 to say it predicts Muhammad.

The list goes on. In fact, maybe others would like to add to the list
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infidel_01

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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:15 am Post subject:

Yes IAT, I can say the followings which come into my mind right now. May be I can add many of them later: 9) Bees eat fruit 10) Wife beating issue 11) Daughters share (2 or more) 12) 2 Easts and 2 Wests 13) Slavery issue 14) 7 layers to be seen by believers What a joke islam makes of its believers _________________ It is NOT IMMORAL for muslims to have non-muslims as slaves and sex slaves; But it is definitely IMMORAL for non-Muslims to own Muslim slaves -- Allah Diya, MTD & NAV; WHY? None could answer

Islamis_Allah_Tashit

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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject:

Where's the slam dunk BagHat b*tch now? _________________ Somebody get me a hairdryer

Islamis_Allah_Tashit

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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:

infidel_01 wrote:

Yes IAT, I can say the followings which come into my mind right now. May be I can add many of them later:

9) Bees eat fruit
10) Wife beating issue
11) Daughters share (2 or more)
12) 2 Easts and 2 Wests
13) Slavery issue
14) 7 layers to be seen by believers

What a joke islam makes of its believers

In number 11, we got to see how utterly retarded this Mobot is. He claims that 4:11 means 1/3 for daughters two or more, not 2/3. So, it turns out that Allah is retarded enough to let one daughter have 1/2 of the total inheritance, but if there are 2 or more daughters, they only get 1/3 of the total inheritance to split among them. So the more daughters there are, the less of the total pot they are given to split. So if there is $100 to split, and there is one daughter, she gets $50 and doesn't have to split it. But if there are 2 or more daughters, they have to split $33. Does that make any sense to anybody here? Yes, this retard is actually this bad off. Look at how desperate these people get that they are even willing to invent completely retard lies.
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AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:10 am Post subject:

Here is a comment from brother Windsor on my site to one of the goons in here:

Windsor wrote:

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I still can't get over how twisted Islam is to completely degrade ANGELS, they are full of love, which Islam isn't

Islam is not twisted and does not degrade angels at all. In fact it is the only religion that does not make a mockery out of angels. It is also full of love to all the peaceful of the world. Your last sentence here is very wrong.

I think her confusion arises from the traditional description of angels. Angels in our conscious are those small white guys with 2 wings. It is the same with devils and demons. They are those big red ugly creatures with 2 horns. Such ignorant depictions are despite the fact that there are many peaceful and believing demons in the Quran.

Now, I have 2 comments to make here:

1. Angels in Islam are full of love. This does not mean ignoring the orders of God and forgiving criminals. If angels are punishing people in Hell, it is because those people are sinners/criminals that deserve such punishment. Love does not mean injustice. It is actually contrary to injustice.

Now she could make the claim that Hell is a merciless punishment even for sinners/criminals, but this is another totally different issue and even if it was true it would mean that God is merciless (Since He is the actual Punisher and Creator of Hell) and not angels at all.

2. Even if some angels in Islam were not full of love, which is untrue as we have seen, it still does not mean that Islam is not full of love. Who said that all angels must be full of love? According to whom? According to what consensus?

The whole argument is childish and baseless. When reading such arguments one wonders whether she was ever a "Muslimah".

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infidel_01

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:55 am Post subject:

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It is also full of love to all the peaceful of the world

Can some muslim elaborate this for we infidels? Especially, the bolded part.

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Islamis_Allah_Tashit

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Here is a comment from brother Windsor on my site to one of the goons in here:

Windsor wrote:

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I still can't get over how twisted Islam is to completely degrade ANGELS, they are full of love, which Islam isn't

Did Windsor read the 10 or so areas that we mentioned where you got thoroughly spanked?
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Ex-muslimah

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject:

peaceful and loving demons? Erm Demons are NOT peaceful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon That says more about demons, we in the west say that they are evil entities. I have seen a demon (a shadow demon) and they are creepy. I am a psychic and to me personally demons are not good, these ones are the scary poltergeists we see, there is no good intent with them, they want to wish you harm, either through some trauma they've endured or some pure malice. These entities can't been seen inless they are directly interacting. Those one had a creepy smile! _________________ The Borg is si-fi's Islam. The "Collective" is the Ummah and they assimilate the kaffir. http://www.karmanirvana.org.uk/ - For if you are in a forced marriage in the UK

AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject:

pvb wrote:

and all various meaning of each word. Thank - you!!

Waqawlihim
inna
qatalna
almaseeha -messiah
AAeesa -Jesus
ibna - son of
maryama -Maryama
rasoola -messanger
Allahi - God
wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

004.158
YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
PICKTHAL: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Actually without even changing the translation the interpretation seems wrong to me!

The Jews didn't Kill Jesus, the Romans did, no Judas, but actually GOD did for it was in His plan for our salvation. In the next verse GOD takes Jesus up to Himself. Which He eventually did!!

Thanks again!!

I am not sure what is your message exactly?

You bring a quran verse asking for a word for word translation then you end up your question by saying the the Jews did not kill Jesus

I am not going to reply to the Quran verse as it seems that you do not know what the hell you are talking about, however I will reply to this line:

pvb wrote:

The Jews didn't Kill Jesus, the Romans did, no Judas, but actually GOD did for it was in His plan for our salvation. In the next verse GOD takes Jesus up to Himself. Which He eventually did!!

Well, the logical law is simple, if you conspire to kill, then you must be part of the killing, let me show you what some non Muslims say:

Accoridng to the Bible a Jewish mob conspired to keep Jesus imprisoned and ensure his torture and crucifixion, and even as he was led to his death, he is further abused by a Jewish mob.

For Pilate , after being forced by the Jewish mob to sentence Jesus to death, Pilate symbolically washes his hands and pronounces:

I am not responsible for the death of this man! This is your doing. The whole crowd [the Jews] answered back: Let his blood be on our heads and the heads of our children.
(Matthew 27:24-25)

-> See, After the Jews manipulated Pilate to kill Jesus, THEY ADMITTED THAT THE BLOOD OF JESUS BE UPON THEM: Let his blood be upon us and upon our children,

Now, for Paul, the most important personality in the history of the christianity, makes a special point of blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus:

14: For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
(1Thessalonians ; 2:14-16)

-> See what Paul suppose to have said in his Bible: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets,, clearly Paul confirmed that the Jews killed Jesus and many other prophets.

Today modern day Jews claim that they cannot be held responsible for the death of jesus because what happened was 2,000 years ago when they were helpless Jews that were under the power of the mighty Roman empire.

Matthew on the other hand tell us that the the jews will do it again (kill the prophets) if given another chance, let's have a look:

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
(Matthew 23:30)

-> Simply, the Jews will do it again, Why? Because they are of the same generation - the same race.

Conclusion:

1) The Jews are guilty as charged with the crime of conspiring to kill Jesus

2) Slam Dunk # 41 has been slammed:

# 41
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:57 am Post subject:

CONCLUSION: The so-called Muslim Ahmed AGREES with the Bible that the Jews of Jesus' time unintentionally contributed to Jesus' death and to the divine plan of salvation ordained by God. He quotes a few verses from the New Testament to support his view that the Jews of Jesus' time actually DID kill Jesus. This is overtly denied by his Koran, which states that the "Jews neither killed Jesus nor crucified Him". Ahmed has suprisingly denied the Koran and become a true Kafir. DISMISSED not by me, but his false god mohammad! LOL _________________ I am choosing not to submit either willingly or reluctantly. Catch me if you can!

AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:19 am Post subject:

Nosubmission wrote:

CONCLUSION:

The so-called Muslim Ahmed AGREES with the Bible that the Jews of Jesus' time unintentionally contributed to Jesus' death and to the divine plan of salvation ordained by God. He quotes a few verses from the New Testament to support his view that the Jews of Jesus' time actually DID kill Jesus. This is overtly denied by his Koran, which states that the "Jews neither killed Jesus nor crucified Him". Ahmed has suprisingly denied the Koran and become a true Kafir.

DISMISSED not by me, but his false god mohammad! LOL

What a clear cut idiot you NS, it seems that you have to resort to pure crap of a propaganda because it is your only method of refuting my very powerful arguments

let me do it with you slowly, you low IQer

I do npt agree that the Jews killed Jesus, nor that I agree that Jesus was ever killed by any human, the whole argument you dumb is this:

Some stupid goons of FFI say 4:157 is a clear contradiction in the Quran, because the verses said that the Jews said that they killed Jesus, now for the confused goons, they claim that the Jews never said so, i.e. for the goons 4:157 is an error,

Now I have showed clearly from your corrupt Bible that the Jews indeed claimed so and SAID: let the blood of Jesus be upon our heads and the heads of our children

i.e. 4:157 is 100% accurate that the Jews SAID so

on the other hand the same verse 4:157, also said that what they said was nothing but lie, i.e. the Jews never killed Jesus because IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM AS IF THEY DID KILLED HIM

you are dismissed
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:04 am Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Nosubmission wrote:

SHALOM, Ahmed the great Islamic Kafir LOL

Your arguments are powerful? Hmm. Most likely swimming in the same pool of fantasies as your pagan prophet. You have no arguments at all that can be designated as powerful or weak.

You seem to be as fool as your pagan prophet because you do not understand on what basis non-Muslims criticise your crap scripture.

Jesus was not killed by a human? What was He killed by then? A ferocious animal? A carnivorus plant? By a power superior to humans? Angel? Allah Himself? Please give me an answer and thus do something your Koran forgets or fails to do!

Your scripture suprisingly emphasises that who killed Jesus was not Jews. However, it is mysteriously silent on who perpetrated the crucifixion. Your Koran can do nothing more than denying the supposed Jewish bragging about murdering the Messiah:

Surah 4:156-157
And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny; And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto THEM.

The underlined personal pronouns in subject and object position refer to the JEWS.Let's rephrase this verse:

"The JEWS slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto the JEWS."

What about the Romans? What about Jesus' followers? Your scripture is so vague and meaningless! It does not say "NO ONE killed Jesus" or "Jesus was NOT crucified and murdered", but says "The JEWS did not kill Jesus." Why is the emphasis on the Jews? This reminds me of a funny tale about a man who drives the judge mad during his trial because he always says what his name is NOT rather than simply giving his name.

More, how can you know for sure that the verses you quote from the New Testament are not corrupted? Your stupid Koran, being a product of forgery and corruption, cannot be the checklist for the biblical accuracy, you daydreaming idiot! LOL

DISMISSED once again for failing to understand a simple point raised by a non-Muslim. Your brain must be on Christmas (or Hanukkah) holiday.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Salam all,

One of the kafirs of FFI, brought in a stupid argument by another confused kafir who is asking are slave women equal to animals under Islam?, let's have a look:

planck of FFI wrote:

A possible re-interpretation of a few arabic words? I don't know arabic so I'm not sure if what's written below is true. But I thought I'd offer it up in this section to those of you who do study the quran.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023923.php

Quote:

Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to animals?

Many are now aware that the Koran—that is, Allah’s word—permits, not just polygamy, but forced concubinage (sex with captive women), according to Koran 4:3: “Marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then only one, or what your right hands possess [captive women taken in war].” There is, however, an interesting, and very telling, linguistic aspect to this verse that is often overlooked—or intentionally obscured. The Arabic states: “Ankahu [marry]…ma [what] malakat [possess] aymankum [your right hands].”

Oddly enough, the Arabic relative pronoun used to indicate these captive women is "ma": ma malakat aymankum, literally, “what your right hands possess” (see Shakir’s acclaimed English translation which most literally translates this). In Arabic, when one refers to a rational being (i.e., a human), the word used is min, which means “who(ever)”; ma, on the other hand, refers only to things or animals—trees, rocks, dogs and cats—very much similar to the English “it.” Thus, in proper Arabic the phrase might have been min malakat aymankum: “who(ever) your rights hands possess.”

For long I assumed this was but a stylistic matter. However, the highly revered Islamic scholar al-Qurtubi (d.1273) also makes this observation in vol. 5, p.12 of his authoritative 20-volume Tafsir Al Koran (Exegesis of the Koran). He points out that members of the human race should be referred to with min (who), whereas only “inanimate objects” or “brute beasts” should be referred to with ma (what).

Does this suggest that the Koran’s Arabic—touted as the most perfect Arabic—is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords well with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example, records Muhammad saying “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer.” Indeed, in Qurtubi’s same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after examining such hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a sheep—even a cow or a camel—for all are ridden.”

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And here is my slam to it:

His understanding to the word Ma is flawed

Certainly Ma can be used to refer to intelligent beings, here is a verse where it clearly refers to Allah Himself:

Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[The Quran ; 109:3]

وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ (3)

-> See Mohammed is saying to the kafirs: وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ, Wala Antum Aabidoon MA Aabud, i.e. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:

And I am also sure that Min may also be used for non intelligent beings, I may post a verse later inshaallah

The writer of such crap in your comment is certainly wrong and confused

Then I added:

Here is another example where the word Ma is used to refer to intelligent beings includiing humans:

Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them wheresoever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Cognizant of all things.
[The Quran ; 58:7]

أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۖ مَا يَكُونُ مِنْ نَجْوَىٰ ثَلَاثَةٍ إِلَّا هُوَ رَابِعُهُمْ وَلَا خَمْسَةٍ إِلَّا هُوَ سَادِسُهُمْ وَلَا أَدْنَىٰ مِنْ ذَٰلِكَ وَلَا أَكْثَرَ إِلَّا هُوَ مَعَهُمْ أَيْنَ مَا كَانُوا ۖ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُمْ بِمَا عَمِلُوا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ (7)

-> See Mohammed is saying to the kafirs: مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتَِ , Ma Fi Alsamamwat, i.e. whatever is in the heavens, and مَا فِي الْأَرْضِ , Ma Fi Alard, i.e. whatever is in the earth which should cover all humans on earth.

Now, here is an example where the word Min is used with the ships and the cattle:
And He Who created pairs of all things, and made for you of the ships and the cattle what you ride on
[The Quran ; 43:12]

وَالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا وَجَعَلَ لَكُمْ مِنَ الْفُلْكِ وَالْأَنْعَامِ مَا تَرْكَبُونَ (12)

-> See: مِنَ الْفُلْكِ وَالْأَنْعَام, Min Alfulk Wa AlanaamAlard, i.e. of the ships and the cattle

Here you have it again, the writer of such crap is 100% confused and never studied the Quran.

And finally came the third nock down which made the knowck out and the 40[sup]th[/sup] slam:

What I just discovered which will make the writer of such crap to look like a clear cut idiot is the simple fact that the same verse 4:3 is referring to the second, third and fourth wife using the word Ma, let's have a look:

And if you fear that you cannot act justly with the orphans, then marry whoever pleased you from the women, two and three and four; but if you fear that you shall not act equitably (between them), then only one or what your oaths possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate.
[Al Quran ; 4:3]

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ (3)

-> See: فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم, Fa'ankihu Ma Taba Lakum, i.e. marry whoever pleased you

Here you have it for the third time, but this time, it must be so embarrassing to such writer of such crap, however he achieved making it to my slam dunk show

# 40

i got 2 words for you bro ....

"YOU ROCK"
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:12 am Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

# 41

That was really a great dismissal. You are right. Both are equally responsible for torturing the man.

Anyway, the story that the man died and was resurrected is a hoax.
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:19 am Post subject:

myxtic wrote:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Quote:

# 40

i got 2 words for you bro ....

"YOU ROCK"

I agree with you. HE ROCKS! And he explains very well.

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