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Ex-muslimah
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| if all your deeds are good but you do not believe in Allah then you still lose |
What about Mother Teresa, dear ahmed?
PS: Since it is you who is defining here, please don't come up with "allah knows best". |
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Dude or dudette, I have posed questions to him and not heard out, if he wants to ignore it, it makes it all better for the rest of us, shows how twisted he is.
Although he'd probably say that Mother Teresa is bound to hell for the motion she is a woman! 
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infidel_01
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| if all your deeds are good but you do not believe in Allah then you still lose |
What about Mother Teresa, dear ahmed?
PS: Since it is you who is defining here, please don't come up with "allah knows best". |
2nd time. |
Dude or dudette, I have posed questions to him and not heard out, if he wants to ignore it, it makes it all better for the rest of us, shows how twisted he is.
Although he'd probably say that Mother Teresa is bound to hell for the motion she is a woman! |
Ahmed has just 3 options left for himself.
1. Answer with "twist & turn" & by redefining everything caught by we kaffirs.
2. A dismissal which gaurantees that he has no answer (not even twisted ones)
3. Run away and never attempt such question, even after asked many times. The worst part is, he himself will bring such subject after couple of weeks as if nothing has happened.
This time he shot himself in foot, lets see what happenes to my question.
My guess is a dismissal.
BTW, I'm dude.
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Ex-muslimah
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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OK Dude, I didn't want to offend you!
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infidel_01
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| OK Dude, I didn't want to offend you! |
No offence taken. I was just clarifying. 
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The Cat
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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1. First of all, the Quran was not revealed in the order of the current Quran...
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1. Are you admitting that the Quran has been manipulated? |
No |
How the order could have been changed otherwise? |
It is an allegation that I believe it, on the other hand, it was not the people who colllected the Quran, it was Allah all along, the people were only a tool |
So you state that people were a tool in Allah's hand to change the original order of Allah's sequential revelations, so that the Quran is maintained perfectly ordered!
Do you realize that this is logically terminal? It comes down to say that Allah dismissed Himself, abdicating in favor of mere people to present His own -final- words, relegating Jibril's original messages to a formal fitnah status which needed to be altered by collectors!
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The Cat
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| 2. So ,the Quran -clearly- stipulates to be incomprehensible! Since it was meant to be confusing from the first, |
Not the whole Quran you confused, ONLY VERSES FROM IT, read 3:7 then dismiss yoursel |
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| 3.7 is itself confusing because what is allegorical from 'clear' revelations isn't properly defined. |
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| 3:7 is a Muhkam verse i.e. cannot be confusing, but for a kafir bound to hell like you, it has to be confusing |
Bad news for you: only hell-believers are bound to hell! They all are, one way or the other, from each other's hell and Pascal's wager. Disbelievers are freed from such shackles and fears. We're not gambling our lives away upon such infernal nonsense! Would you give away your job simply because you bought a lottery ticket?
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The Cat
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| well my English translation is going to be the first of its kind inshaallah, but you need to wait at least 2 years |
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| I guess, in the meantime we'll have twenty more. And we have plenty already. Each one of them intending to clarify the others like a mess-a-go-round. |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Well, you have to wait until mine is finished then I will still ignore your opinion |
The Babel Tower of 'accurate' quranic translations needed for its clarity is indeed pyramidal! It starts to look like the leaning Pisa's tower...
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| Seems like you're only adding to the confusion that the Quran first started. If it is that clear, then why do we have the Hadiths? |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| do not fukin ask me why we have the hadith, you need to ask the hadith worshippers, i mean Al Mushrikoon |
And those would behead you on sight for bringing fitnah into Islam. Such is the Islamic head-off clarity!
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AhmedBahgat
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Salam all,
One of the kafirs of FFI, brought in a stupid argument by another confused kafir who is asking are slave women equal to animals under Islam?, let's have a look:
planck of FFI wrote:
A possible re-interpretation of a few arabic words? I don't know arabic so I'm not sure if what's written below is true. But I thought I'd offer it up in this section to those of you who do study the quran.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023923.php
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Raymond Ibrahim: Are slave-girls in Islam equivalent to animals?
Many are now aware that the Koran—that is, Allah’s word—permits, not just polygamy, but forced concubinage (sex with captive women), according to Koran 4:3: “Marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then only one, or what your right hands possess [captive women taken in war].” There is, however, an interesting, and very telling, linguistic aspect to this verse that is often overlooked—or intentionally obscured. The Arabic states: “Ankahu [marry]…ma [what] malakat [possess] aymankum [your right hands].”
Oddly enough, the Arabic relative pronoun used to indicate these captive women is "ma": ma malakat aymankum, literally, “what your right hands possess” (see Shakir’s acclaimed English translation which most literally translates this). In Arabic, when one refers to a rational being (i.e., a human), the word used is min, which means “who(ever)”; ma, on the other hand, refers only to things or animals—trees, rocks, dogs and cats—very much similar to the English “it.” Thus, in proper Arabic the phrase might have been min malakat aymankum: “who(ever) your rights hands possess.”
For long I assumed this was but a stylistic matter. However, the highly revered Islamic scholar al-Qurtubi (d.1273) also makes this observation in vol. 5, p.12 of his authoritative 20-volume Tafsir Al Koran (Exegesis of the Koran). He points out that members of the human race should be referred to with min (who), whereas only “inanimate objects” or “brute beasts” should be referred to with ma (what).
Does this suggest that the Koran’s Arabic—touted as the most perfect Arabic—is flawed? Of course, no Muslim would allow for that. Nor need they, as this phenomenon (portraying concubines as non-human) accords well with a number of hadiths that place females and animals in the same category. Musnad Ibn Hanbal (vol. 2, p. 2992), for example, records Muhammad saying “Women, dogs, and donkeys annul a man’s prayer.” Indeed, in Qurtubi’s same Tafsir (vol.15, p.172), after examining such hadiths, he writes, "A Woman may be likened to a sheep—even a cow or a camel—for all are ridden.” |
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And here is my slam to it:
His understanding to the word Ma is flawed
Certainly Ma can be used to refer to intelligent beings, here is a verse where it clearly refers to Allah Himself:
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[The Quran ; 109:3]
وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ (3)
-> See Mohammed is saying to the kafirs: وَلَا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ, Wala Antum Aabidoon MA Aabud, i.e. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
And I am also sure that Min may also be used for non intelligent beings, I may post a verse later inshaallah
The writer of such crap in your comment is certainly wrong and confused
Then I added:
Here is another example where the word Ma is used to refer to intelligent beings includiing humans:
Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them wheresoever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Cognizant of all things.
[The Quran ; 58:7]
أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۖ مَا يَكُونُ مِنْ نَجْوَىٰ ثَلَاثَةٍ إِلَّا هُوَ رَابِعُهُمْ وَلَا خَمْسَةٍ إِلَّا هُوَ سَادِسُهُمْ وَلَا أَدْنَىٰ مِنْ ذَٰلِكَ وَلَا أَكْثَرَ إِلَّا هُوَ مَعَهُمْ أَيْنَ مَا كَانُوا ۖ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُمْ بِمَا عَمِلُوا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ (7)
-> See Mohammed is saying to the kafirs: مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتَِ , Ma Fi Alsamamwat, i.e. whatever is in the heavens, and مَا فِي الْأَرْضِ , Ma Fi Alard, i.e. whatever is in the earth which should cover all humans on earth.
Now, here is an example where the word Min is used with the ships and the cattle:
And He Who created pairs of all things, and made for you of the ships and the cattle what you ride on
[The Quran ; 43:12]
وَالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا وَجَعَلَ لَكُمْ مِنَ الْفُلْكِ وَالْأَنْعَامِ مَا تَرْكَبُونَ (12)
-> See: مِنَ الْفُلْكِ وَالْأَنْعَام, Min Alfulk Wa AlanaamAlard, i.e. of the ships and the cattle
Here you have it again, the writer of such crap is 100% confused and never studied the Quran.
And finally came the third nock down which made the knowck out and the 40[sup]th[/sup] slam:
What I just discovered which will make the writer of such crap to look like a clear cut idiot is the simple fact that the same verse 4:3 is referring to the second, third and fourth wife using the word Ma, let's have a look:
And if you fear that you cannot act justly with the orphans, then marry whoever pleased you from the women, two and three and four; but if you fear that you shall not act equitably (between them), then only one or what your oaths possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate.
[Al Quran ; 4:3]
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تُقْسِطُواْ فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَعُولُواْ (3)
-> See: فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم, Fa'ankihu Ma Taba Lakum, i.e. marry whoever pleased you
Here you have it for the third time, but this time, it must be so embarrassing to such writer of such crap, however he achieved making it to my slam dunk show
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1
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Zorasta_Russ
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1 |
Ahmed Bahgat changes the subject of the debate when he is losing a debate. Even after shooting himself in the foot he claims victory.
Is he even worth debating?
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1 |
Ahmed Bahgat changes the subject of the debate when he is losing a debate. Even after shooting himself in the foot he claims victory.
Is he even worth debating? |
Yeh, I am not worth debating, now I dare you that you ask me any question in the future
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Zorasta_Russ
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
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| BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1 |
Ahmed Bahgat changes the subject of the debate when he is losing a debate. Even after shooting himself in the foot he claims victory.
Is he even worth debating? |
Yeh, I am not worth debating, now I dare you that you ask me any question in the future |
You are not a challenge. You are boring.
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Zorasta_Russ wrote: |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
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| BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1 |
Ahmed Bahgat changes the subject of the debate when he is losing a debate. Even after shooting himself in the foot he claims victory.
Is he even worth debating? |
Yeh, I am not worth debating, now I dare you that you ask me any question in the future |
You are not a challenge. You are boring. |
i respect your opinion, however it seems that you are deluded enough that you still read every comment i make, mind you, there must be a bit of fun in my comments
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infidel_01
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Zorasta_Russ wrote: |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
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| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
| BagHat, we're still waiting for slam dunk #1 |
Ahmed Bahgat changes the subject of the debate when he is losing a debate. Even after shooting himself in the foot he claims victory.
Is he even worth debating? |
Yeh, I am not worth debating, now I dare you that you ask me any question in the future |
You are not a challenge. You are boring. |
i respect your opinion, however it seems that you are deluded enough that you still read every comment i make, mind you, there must be a bit of fun in my comments |
A bit, NO Ahmed, you are the best clown FFI ever had. PLease don't underestimate yourself. 
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piscohot
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| mind you, there must be a bit of fun in my comments |
Awww.... you are too modest, Ahmed.
your comments are ALOT of fun, ALOT of madeup stories, 'REDEFINITIONS' and littered with LIES here and there.
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