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AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject:

Brendalee wrote:

Hello Ahmed,

I doubt Aisha had BOOBS; I doubt she had her period either. You would like to assume she had because you think it might make what Mohammad did a little more understandable. But you have no evidence.

There are many reasons he might have waited which have nothing to do with waiting for her to have a period. She wasn't even quite 9 except by the then new Muslim Calendar, so it is unlikely that she had a period. Highly unlikely.

And whatever you think it should say to the contrary, the Quran gives an iddah for pre-pubescent girls.

Lam Yahidna does not mean "only has had one period". It mean never menstruated. Never. I have read the debates over this and so I know that the yahidh part refers to menstruation and the Lam is negative and the na is negative.

So Ahmed, your argument is not strong. It is wishful thinking and speculation.

Hello Brenda

Sorry mate, you are dismissed due to your ignorance of the Arabic language, go and learn Arabic first then you may have merit to argue
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Brendalee

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject:

So what age does Al Atfal become Al Nisaa, Ahmed? Does the Quran say what age that is? Mohammad thought it was 6 years old(or at least the contract). Or is it marriage itself that magically makes a child into a woman?

Brendalee

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

Hello Brenda

Soory mate, you are dismissed due to your ignorance of the Arabic language, go and learn Arabic first then you may have merit to argue

Dismiss me if you please, Ahmed. This is your choice if you like.

But we both know what Lam Yahidna means.

AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

Brendalee wrote:

So what age does Al Atfal become Al Nisaa, Ahmed? Does the Quran say what age that is?

Of course it does, it says when Al Atafal (the children) reach puberty, they can not be treated as Atfal any more, i.e. Adults

see how you lack the knowledge of Arabic Quran
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AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject:

Brendalee wrote:

Dismiss me if you please, Ahmed. This is your choice if you like.

But we both know what Lam Yahidna means.

Yeh yeh, as you know that the Quran said to marry Al Nisaa, not Al Atfal

would you like to see the verses so you have merit to dismiss yourself?
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Brendalee

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

So what age does Al Atfal become Al Nisaa, Ahmed? Does the Quran say what age that is?

Of curse it does, it says when Al Atafal (the children) reach puberty, they can not be treated as Atfal any more, i.e. Adults

see how you lack the knowledge of Arabic Quran

OK, once they hit puberty they can no longer behave as children. Yet this does not say that children cannot be wives and we know from the ahadith that Aisha played with dolls AFTER the consummation of her marriage. So therefore, by your own argument, this indicates that she was still being treated as a child who had not yet hit puberty.

AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject:

Brendalee wrote:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

So what age does Al Atfal become Al Nisaa, Ahmed? Does the Quran say what age that is?

Of curse it does, it says when Al Atafal (the children) reach puberty, they can not be treated as Atfal any more, i.e. Adults

see how you lack the knowledge of Arabic Quran

Again Brenda, FUK your man made hadith
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Brendalee

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject:

Hey Ahmed, I can accept that. But you should understand that it you theoretically accept ahadith about Aisha's age as you did at the start of this, then the other ahadith are also going to be used.

AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:

Brendalee wrote:

Hey Ahmed, I can accept that. But you should understand that it you theoretically accept ahadith about Aisha's age as you did at the start of this, then the other ahadith are also going to be used.

Read my comment again, it was only based on the assumption that such crtap of hadith is true, on the other hand I do not believe such crap of hadith, because as far as I believe according to some other hearsay crap, the prophet married such womnan when she was 18 years old

let's move on to the next slam dunk, do you have anything new that you want to be slammed?
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Brendalee

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

Hey Ahmed, I can accept that. But you should understand that it you theoretically accept ahadith about Aisha's age as you did at the start of this, then the other ahadith are also going to be used.

Read my cooment again, it was only based on the assumption that such crtap of hadith is true, on the other hand I do not believe such crap of hadith, because as far as I believe according to some other hearsay crap, the prophet married such womnan when she was 18 years old

let's move on to the next slam dunk, do you have anything new that you want to be slammed?

It's hardly a slam dunk when you haven't proved anything. You want to assume that the crap hadith about her age is true and base your argument on it, but reject every argument back at you which uses the same crap hadiths.

But if you want to call that a slam dunk, Ahmed, please do. It isn't for me to decree what you call a slam dunk. I'm just not obliged to agree.

It's nearly midnight here. Goodnight.

AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject:

Brendalee wrote:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

Hey Ahmed, I can accept that. But you should understand that it you theoretically accept ahadith about Aisha's age as you did at the start of this, then the other ahadith are also going to be used.

I did not call that one, slam dunk, sweetheart, I called it THE MOTHER OF ALL SLAMS

Yep, good night and see you tomorrow with the next slam
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Aceology

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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:24 am Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Aceology wrote:

Blah Blah.....

Ignorant

The Quran says Ankiho Al Nisaa, i.e. marry the women, the Quran never said Ankiho Al Atfal, i.e. marry the children

You are dismissed due to your stupidity

i bet A 6 YEAR old is a WOMAN not a child.anything justify your barbaric mythology

then how is it that it's possible for a guardian to marry the orphan he is taking care of ?

Quote:

The Ruling Concerning Female Orphans

Al-Bukhari recorded that `A'ishah said about the Ayah,

[وَيَسْتَفْتُونَكَ فِى النِّسَآءِ قُلِ اللَّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِيهِنَّ]

(They ask your instruction concerning women. Say, "Allah instructs you about them...) until

and few lines later it shows that it's possible for caretakers and guardians to MARRY the orphans ,which is more evidence for my argument.

Quote:

(whom you desire to marry...) "It is about the man who is taking care of a female orphan, being her caretaker and inheritor. Her money is joined with his money to such an extent, that she shares with him even the branch of a date that he has. So he likes (for material gain) to marry her himself, and hates to marry her to another man who would have a share in his money, on account of her share in his money.

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Aceology

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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:34 am Post subject:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

Hey Ahmed, I can accept that. But you should understand that it you theoretically accept ahadith about Aisha's age as you did at the start of this, then the other ahadith are also going to be used.

pick and choose eh ? how do you feel about crucifying people ? not any better than marrying children.
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AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:36 am Post subject:

Aceology wrote:

[وَيَسْتَفْتُونَكَ فِى النِّسَآءِ قُلِ اللَّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِيهِنَّ]

(They ask your instruction concerning women. Say, "Allah instructs you about them...) until

Why you did not bring the whole verse you clear cut conman?, let me do it for you

وَيَسْتَفْتُونَكَ فِي النِّسَاء قُلِ اللّهُ يُفْتِيكُمْ فِيهِنَّ وَمَا يُتْلَى عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الْكِتَابِ فِي يَتَامَى النِّسَاء الَّلاتِي لاَ تُؤْتُونَهُنَّ مَا كُتِبَ لَهُنَّ وَتَرْغَبُونَ أَن تَنكِحُوهُنَّ وَالْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الْوِلْدَانِ وَأَن تَقُومُواْ لِلْيَتَامَى بِالْقِسْطِ وَمَا تَفْعَلُواْ مِنْ خَيْرٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ بِهِ عَلِيمًا (127)
And they ask you for a Fatwa regarding the women. Say: Allah gives you a Fatwa concerning them, and that which is recited to you in the Book regarding the female orphans whom you do not give what is ordained for them while you desire to marry them, and (they ask you for a Fatwa) regarding the weak from among the children. And you should deal justly with the orphans; and whatever you do of good then surely Allah of it is all-Knowing.
[Al Quran ; 4:127]

-> See you conman. The Nisaa that are ready to be matrried: while you desire to marry them, I.e not Atfal (children), you conman

You are dismissed
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AhmedBahgat

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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:37 am Post subject:

Aceology wrote:

AhmedBahgat wrote:

Brendalee wrote:

Hey Ahmed, I can accept that. But you should understand that it you theoretically accept ahadith about Aisha's age as you did at the start of this, then the other ahadith are also going to be used.

pick and choose eh ? how do you feel about crucifying people ? not any better than marrying children.

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