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FinallyFree
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I'm waiting for Ahmed Burqa Burger to reply to this.
He usually comes up with some good comedy. |
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Anti-Jihad
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| FinallyFree wrote: |
I'm waiting for Ahmed Burqa Burger to reply to this.
He usually comes up with some good comedy. |
Ahmed does come up with good comedy, but you twisting his name, although it is funny, but is uncalled for.
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| Facts for you. There is only 1 country in the world, that comes even close to Shariah law and it is Saudi. |
There is so much hatred in Islam that it even turns on itself. |
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Anti-Jihad wrote: |
| FinallyFree wrote: |
I'm waiting for Ahmed Burqa Burger to reply to this.
He usually comes up with some good comedy. |
Ahmed does come up with good comedy, but you twisting his name, although it is funny, but is uncalled for. |
Anti_jihad,
You are protecting your friend too much...! 
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Anti-Jihad
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
| Anti-Jihad wrote: |
| FinallyFree wrote: |
I'm waiting for Ahmed Burqa Burger to reply to this.
He usually comes up with some good comedy. |
Ahmed does come up with good comedy, but you twisting his name, although it is funny, but is uncalled for. |
Anti_jihad,
You are protecting your friend too much...!
K |
That's what friends are for 
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| Facts for you. There is only 1 country in the world, that comes even close to Shariah law and it is Saudi. |
There is so much hatred in Islam that it even turns on itself. |
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FinallyFree
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Apologies
I shall respect his name.
Although I shall take my anger at this perversion on freedom of speech by insulting the prophet further.
More of King Mo's stupidity in regards to the earth, the heavens etc:
This is what happens at sunset in Islam, what a bloody marvellous miracle.
"Do you know where it goes? It goes to where it prostrates under the Throne and asks permission to rise again. Then it receives permission. The time is very close when it will prostrate but it will not be accepted, and it will ask permission but not receive it. It will be told, "Go back whence you came." At that time it will rise from its place of setting. This is His saying - Most High is He! - {and the sun runs its course until its place of rest (mustaqarr); that is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise} (36:3 ." |
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Musti
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Too embarassing eh muslims!! 
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Ahmed Bahgat[Qur'an 79:30]:- and the earth after that, He squashed it.....
Ahmed Bahgat-A deluded mind:
You can even prove it wrong, I won't care.....
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Musti
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Ahmed Bahgat[Qur'an 79:30]:- and the earth after that, He squashed it.....
Ahmed Bahgat-A deluded mind:
You can even prove it wrong, I won't care.....
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Kalb al–Barr
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| FinallyFree wrote: |
More of King Mo's stupidity in regards to the earth, the heavens etc:
This is what happens at sunset in Islam, what a bloody marvellous miracle.
"Do you know where it goes? It goes to where it prostrates under the Throne and asks permission to rise again. Then it receives permission. The time is very close when it will prostrate but it will not be accepted, and it will ask permission but not receive it. It will be told, "Go back whence you came." At that time it will rise from its place of setting. This is His saying - Most High is He! - {and the sun runs its course until its place of rest (mustaqarr); that is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise} (36:38)." |
Nice, I’ve read that before. Do you know why we get hot summers and cold winters? I always thought it had something to do with the tilt of the earth and the fact that parts of the earth are pointing towards and away from the sun as the earth revolves around the sun. But, according to Muhammad, it’s because hell likes to have a meal out of its own parts and so needs to breathe! Behold:
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Volume 4, Book 54, Number 482: #004.054.482
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire complained to its Lord saying, 'O my Lord! My different parts eat up each other.' So, He allowed it to take two breaths, one in the winter and the other in summer, and this is the reason for the severe heat and the bitter cold you find (in weather)." |
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| FinallyFree wrote: |
I'm waiting for Ahmed Burqa Burger to reply to this.
He usually comes up with some good comedy. |
He's too busy pumping into the air trying to screw that Gremlin behind him that he can't seem to find.
Let's see if anybody gets that. 
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Musti
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More comic stuff in the verse below. Here we have Allah talking to the heaven and earth and asking them come willingly or not and they both reply and say willingly. Once again Mo thinks the hevean and earth have intelligence!!
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PICKTHAL: Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
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Ahmed Bahgat[Qur'an 79:30]:- and the earth after that, He squashed it.....
Ahmed Bahgat-A deluded mind:
You can even prove it wrong, I won't care.....
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Love_Peace
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Explanation given by Zakir Naik for 41: 9-12 |
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32:4: It is Allah Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all between them, in Six Days, then He established Himself on the Throne
41:9-12: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in TWO Days And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of the Worlds. He set on the, mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR Days, in accordance with those who seek. Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come in willing obedience." So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights and with guard. Such is the Decree of the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge
The explanation given by Zakir Naik is that Allah completed creating the earth and all its nourishment in total 6 long periods and simultaneously he created the heavens in 2 long periods. So the total is still 6 periods because both these activities were occuring simultaneously. He says Abdullah yusufali has wrongly translated the word "summa" as "Then" instead of "Simultaneously".
Even if this explanation is accepted then one flaw I saw with this explanation is it took Allah 6 periods to create tiny Earth but it took only 2 periods to create the entire universe.
I would like to have the views of the fellow members on how logic does this explanation sound to them or what faults do they see in it, without Prejudice. |
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Musti
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Explanation given by Zakir Naik for 41: 9-12 |
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I would like to have the views of the fellow members on how logic does this explanation sound to them or what faults do they see in it, without Prejudice. |
Well logic will tell you this indicates that your average arab back then had no clue regarding the vastness of space, hence it took allah more time to make the earth than the universe. A muslim answer won't be logical it will be along the lines of........ Allah knows best.
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Ahmed Bahgat[Qur'an 79:30]:- and the earth after that, He squashed it.....
Ahmed Bahgat-A deluded mind:
You can even prove it wrong, I won't care.....
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Love_Peace
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| Well logic will tell you this indicates that your average arab back then had no clue regarding the vastness of space |
51:47 With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of space.
So the universe is vast was known and very obvious even at that time.
I require very sane arguments against this explaination given by Zakir Naik. I require this as I want to be well equipped with counter arguments. I am thinking of starting a new thread where each and every scientific explanation given by zakir Naik can be debunked one by one. |
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| Well logic will tell you this indicates that your average arab back then had no clue regarding the vastness of space |
51:47 With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of space.
So the universe is vast was known and very obvious even at that time. |
Oh bunk, this is a faulty, apologist translation. The concept of "space" as in outer space wasn't even a word in Arabic. How could it be if the Arabs and nobody else knew of outer space?
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I require very sane arguments against this explaination given by Zakir Naik. |
You just received one, and Naik is one of the biggest liars and manipulators I've ever seen
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I require this as I want to be well equipped with counter arguments. I am thinking of starting a new thread where each and every scientific explanation given by zakir Naik can be debunked one by one. |
Sounds great to me. You can also include 79:30 where the liar says that dahaha means ostrich egg to suggest that the Quran calls the earth round when in fact it actually means the action of the mother ostrich spreading out and flattening the dirt to build a place to hide her egg. This guy is the biggest most stinking pathetic liar on the planet.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Explanation given by Zakir Naik for 41: 9-12 |
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| Love_Peace wrote: |
32:4: It is Allah Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all between them, in Six Days, then He established Himself on the Throne
41:9-12: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in TWO Days And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of the Worlds. He set on the, mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR Days, in accordance with those who seek. Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come in willing obedience." |
How can the earth be originally separated from the universe, which is the sky or lowest heaven because the Quran says the lowest heaven is decorated with stars?
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So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights and with guard. Such is the Decree of the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge |
That's right, so the sky or lowest firmament has to be the universe if it is decorated with stars. So how can the earth ever have been separated from the universe when it has to have always been contained WITHIN it? Stupid, isn't it? And this clown gets away with his clear nonsense.
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The explanation given by Zakir Naik is that Allah completed creating the earth and all its nourishment in total 6 long periods and simultaneously he created the heavens in 2 long periods. So the total is still 6 periods because both these activities were occuring simultaneously. He says Abdullah yusufali has wrongly translated the word "summa" as "Then" instead of "Simultaneously". |
See the REAL problem above, that Naik can never answer.
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Even if this explanation is accepted then one flaw I saw with this explanation is it took Allah 6 periods to create tiny Earth but it took only 2 periods to create the entire universe. |
You missed the REAL, UNANSWERABLE, SLAM DUNK flaw.
| Love_Peace wrote: |
I would like to have the views of the fellow members on how logic does this explanation sound to them or what faults do they see in it, without Prejudice. |
There's my two cents. I would love to debate that liar with pubic hair on his chin.
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