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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
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Hello A_submitter
It is quite clear from your answers that you put faith before reason.
The sun is constantly observed by the human race, 24hrs per day. Science has closely observed the sun. There has never been anything to suggest that the sun changes its "path" in any way at all. There has never been any observable features that might support the claim that the sun prostrates. There is no suggestion that the sun delays its path to indicate that it is doing something rather strange. Absolutely no observations to support prostration. None.
A_submitter, the sun does not submit and prostrate in any sense that we understand. Are you going to claim that it is performing some sort of divine ordained miracle that is beyond man`s understanding? If you are, then rational discussion with you is not possible.
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Hello confused friend doccy
why do not you take it that prostrating is DOING EXACTLY (WITHOUT A HINCH) WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR? |
Maybe because it says it GOES somewhere and THEN prostrates??? Huh?? Huh?? Ya' think??? Huh??? You people are so full of sh!t.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hows that talking about the sun going around earth? Its just saying stop the sun from setting! |
How does one stop the sun from setting?
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Is he supposed to say stop the earth from rotating? |
Yes he is. And if he doesn't think that people are ready to handle that yet, then he should remain silent and say nothing about it rather than confirm the errant notions that they had. It's funny how according to Muslims, when science discovers something, the Quran said that all along and therefore said many things that people were not ready to understand in the 7th century, but when we come to this, the rules conveniently change and somehow the Quran is not supposed to say something that people are not ready to understand.
See what you people do? It's an absolute disgrace. Can't you see it?? Look at what you do. It's right there. Do you have the least bit of self awareness of your thinking and behavior at all? Doesn't it bother you to have to artificially skew things? Do you skew other things in life besides religion like this? I hope not. If you did, you couldn't be expected to understand anything in life properly or be expected to have any capabilities of fair, reasonable, objective thinking at all. That would be frightening, so let's just hope you have an isolated hypnosis when it comes to Islam only and that you can be reasonable and objective about other things in life.
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sum
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Hello my even more confused astronomer friend, AhmedBahgat
Your quote -
Hello confused friend doccy
why do not you take it that prostrating is DOING EXACTLY (WITHOUT A HINCH) WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR?
I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
Don`t you think that you are putting faith before reason in expecting people to believe in the sci-fi fictional nonsense? Aren`t you embarrassed by having to defend this con-trick?
I think that you have been out in the sun too long and it has frazzled your brain.
sum
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sun
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| sum wrote: |
Hello my even more confused astronomer friend, AhmadBahgat
Your quote -
Hello confused friend doccy
why do not you take it that prostrating is DOING EXACTLY (WITHOUT A HINCH) WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR?
I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
Don`t you think that you are putting faith before reason in expecting people to believe in the sci-fi fictional nonsense? Aren`t you embarrassed by having to defend this con-trick?
I think that you have been out in the sun too long and it has frazzled your brain.
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Well sum, AB can't even put faith before reason on this Allah self contradiction in his Quran
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Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth;
How can He have a son when He has no consort?
He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. |
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| He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. Sura 19:19-21 Pickthall |
On on hand Allah say it is not possible to have a son without a consort (6:101), but at the same time he says it is easy (19:21), ALL in his Quran. |
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sum
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Hello sun
I have already stored your points for future reference. They are revealing.
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infidel_01
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| sum wrote: |
Hello my even more confused astronomer friend, AhmedBahgat
Your quote -
Hello confused friend doccy
why do not you take it that prostrating is DOING EXACTLY (WITHOUT A HINCH) WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR?
I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
Don`t you think that you are putting faith before reason in expecting people to believe in the sci-fi fictional nonsense? Aren`t you embarrassed by having to defend this con-trick?
I think that you have been out in the sun too long and it has frazzled your brain.
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Where is Ahmed? Ran away as always. Probably he coundn't cook up anything for this well asked question.
sum, please don't ask such tuff questions to our "already apostated-but deep in denial", "quran only" and "dismiss-loving" AB.... 
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AhmedBahgat
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| sum wrote: |
Your quote -
Hello confused friend doccy
why do not you take it that prostrating is DOING EXACTLY (WITHOUT A HINCH) WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR?
I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
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Show me the Quran verse you confused morphene addict doccy
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sum
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Hello my good friend, AhmedBahgat
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I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
sum
Are you implying that Islam does not believe that quote?
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AhmedBahgat
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| sum wrote: |
Hello my good friend, AhmedBahgat
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I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
sum
Are you implying that Islam does not believe that quote?
sum |
Hello
I never read it in the Quran, therefore it has to be an invention by someone or a group of people who are living in Sim City
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sum
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Hello my Koran only friend, AhmadBahgat
Do these stories about the sun pausing under Allah`s throne etc contradict the Koran?
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AhmedBahgat
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| sum wrote: |
Hello my Koran only friend, AhmadBahgat
Do these stories about the sun pausing under Allah`s throne etc contradict the Koran?
sum |
Hello the most manipulative FFI kafir
The bottom line is this, The Quran talked a lot about the sun, it never told us that the sun hides somewhere every day, and indeed we do not see it hiding anywhere, because when it is night for some, it is day for others, i.e. the sun is there all the times, therefore yes, your Barbie stories contradict the Quran and it has to be dismissed, I do understand that some premetive people may have lived such Barbie world
Finally, you can only raise Quran arguments with me, i.e. you need to bring Quran verses on the table, other than that I will dismiss your comments in the rubbish bin
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A_submitter
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| sun wrote: |
| sum wrote: |
Hello my even more confused astronomer friend, AhmadBahgat
Your quote -
Hello confused friend doccy
why do not you take it that prostrating is DOING EXACTLY (WITHOUT A HINCH) WHAT IT WAS CREATED FOR?
I think that you have been taking more morphine than you should! The sun, according to Islam, pauses beneath the throne and awaits permission to continue. There is no observable pause that science can detect.
Don`t you think that you are putting faith before reason in expecting people to believe in the sci-fi fictional nonsense? Aren`t you embarrassed by having to defend this con-trick?
I think that you have been out in the sun too long and it has frazzled your brain.
sum |
Well sum, AB can't even put faith before reason on this Allah self contradiction in his Quran
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6:101
Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth;
How can He have a son when He has no consort?
He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. |
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| He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. Sura 19:19-21 Pickthall |
On on hand Allah say it is not possible to have a son without a consort (6:101), but at the same time he says it is easy (19:21), ALL in his Quran. |
Are you people blind? Lets take a look at some verses:
Qur'an 39:5 He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?
We now know the sun and the moon are in orbits, both on diffrent courses.
He made the Sun and the moon subservient (to you); each one pursues its course to an appointed time; He regulates the affair, making clear the signs
Qur'an 13:2
Seest thou not that Allah merges night into day and he merges day into night and he has subjected the sun, and the moon each running its course for a term appointed. And Allah is aware of what you do.
Is its resting place really when night falls? No, the Quran says the sun is constatnly pursuing its course:
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YUSUFALI: And He hath made subject to you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses; and the night and the day hath he (also) made subject to you.
PICKTHAL: And maketh the sun and the moon, constant in their courses, to be of service unto you, and hath made of service unto you the night and the day.
SHAKIR: And He has made subservient to you the sun and the moon pursuing their courses, and He has made subservient to you the night and the day.
So this trumps everything you have to say. The sun doesnt go anywhere at night and keeps following its own course.
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YUSUFALI: Its night doth He endow with darkness, and its splendour doth He bring out (with light).
PICKTHAL: And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.
SHAKIR: And He made dark its night and brought out its light.
Allah made the earth and while it was dark, Allah made the light on it.
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YUSUFALI: By the Day as it shows up (the Sun's) glory;
PICKTHAL: And the day when it revealeth him,
SHAKIR: And the day when it shows it,
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YUSUFALI: By the Night as it conceals it;
PICKTHAL: And the night when it enshroudeth him,
SHAKIR: And the night when it draws a veil over it,
How can the morning reveal the sun? Isnt the sun supposed to reavel itself? When its early morning and you first see the sun, the part of earth that has daylight also shows the sun, and the part of earth that has darkness conceals it. Remember, they didnt know the earth is moving.
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YUSUFALI: And he said, "Truly do I love the love of good, with a view to the glory of my Lord,"- until (the sun) was hidden in the veil (of night):
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YUSUFALI: By the Sky with (its) numerous Paths,
PICKTHAL: By the heaven full of paths,
SHAKIR: I swear by the heaven full of ways.
Planets orbiting in space.
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YUSUFALI: Lord of the heavens and of the earth and all between them, and Lord of every point at the rising of the sun!
PICKTHAL: Lord of the heavens and of the earth and all that is between them, and Lord of the sun's risings.
SHAKIR: The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and Lord of the easts.
Time zones in the Quran? The sun rising at diffrent times on earth. How can this be if the earth is flat?
He created the skies and the earth for truth.
He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night ( 39:5)
Coiling the one coiling a turban around his head. More of a rotating earth:
Thou causest the night to merge into the day, and thou causest the day to merge into the night (3:27)
and that the night and day "interchange" into each other
It is God Who alternates the Night and the Day: verily in these things is an instructive example for those who have vision! (24:44)
So the sun is constantly pursuing its course, its course is diffrent, the day and night reveal and conceal the sun, and the night and day merging into each other with time zones. Dont get me started on embryology and the origin of the universe.
And the sky isnt some hard impassible dome like you make it seem like, the Quran says its a barrier, and man will pass it:
O ye assembly of jinn and men! If ye have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate (them)! ye will never penetrate them save with (our) sanction. (Not without authority shall ye be able to pass!)
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Islam_Allah said:
"And two different things that orbit around the same thing are in two different orbits also, right?"
Maybe I can get the answer from a 1st grader? |
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A_submitter
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And for the consort, Allah cannot have a consort, but Mary can, but nobody has ever touched her, so its easy for Allah to create life, just like he creates life for every other baby on this earth. It doesnt mean its his son like Christians believe.
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Islam_Allah said:
"And two different things that orbit around the same thing are in two different orbits also, right?"
Maybe I can get the answer from a 1st grader? |
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sum
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hello A_submitter
You have still failed to explain how the sun prostrates beneath the throne. Do not forget that the sun is under constant observation in the whole of its "path" around the whole of the earth. So far, no-one has observed any change in its apparent orbit and movement.
You must explain how it prostrates beneath the thone without anyone throughout history noticing anything unusal to possibly offer an explanation. What does it do and can we observe it prostrating?
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sum
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hello A_submitter
There is no way that you can claim that Allah is omnipotent when he admits that he can not have a son without a consort. Are you disagreeing with Allah when he admits that he is not omnipotent?
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